Painter HATES analytics…right? 😂 😂 😂
But yeah I know deep down Loyer Smith and TKR will be 30, 35 and 30 (at least).
9 man rotation prediction with minutes
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But yeah I know deep down Loyer Smith and TKR will be 30, 35 and 30 (at least).
We shall see it in the exhibition game vs UK then! 😂
It’s an extra year for a player to earn $$$. Makes sense if you’re not seeing big mins first year.
I think that Loyer could dip if Mayer is as good as he looks in the video I have watched. We’ll find out soon enough.
It would be awesome if one of the younger guys pulled a CE and was a stud next season in a way that wasn’t really expected but yeah, barring that I think those guys play a ton of minutes and rightly so.
Loyer has trended 27, 28 and 30 mins per game each season. We will see how many he plays.
Yeah, I think we are going to see more players willing to redshirt because of this (an extra year to make money).
He missed time the summer before his freshman year, which helped put Furst ahead of him, but didn't redshirt due to injury. Complete aside, this makes me remember that Caleb was pretty damn good his freshman year.
Smith - 36+
Cox - 18-20
Loyer - 28+/-
TKR - 30+
Cluff - 22
Mayer - 18-20
Harris - 18-20
Murphy - 10+/-
Jacobson -18
?
Burgess
Benter
West
Smith-would like to see his minutes come down some with more experience from the supporting cast but it’ll be hard to keep him off the court.
Cox/Harris/Mayer- take your pick, hot hand gets the most minutes but all can play with each other also so all will get their fair share. Cox/Harris can be difference makers on defense and Mayer will help with his passing/shooting ability.
Loyer- the guys listed above hopefully support enough so it lowers his average from last year(31min) but Fletch sees plenty of minutes still.
TKR- easy pick for 30+.
Cluff- starts and earns more minutes at the beginning of the season due to experience. Could we see him at the 4 to spell TKR and get Jacobson in the game?!
Jacobson- 7’4” will be hard to keep off the floor if he proves he belongs. Could be a 50/50split with Cluff eventually.
Murphy- hot hand plays more not so much will loose minutes. The kid can really shoot it from deep so hopefully the hot hand makes it hard on Painter.
Burgess- gets minutes somewhere if healthy but if not maybe a RS…?
Benter- wild card guy. He gets some but minutes will be hard to come by this year unless Murphy and others aren’t producing.
West- will struggle to find minutes his first year with lots of experience infront of him, maybe a RS?
Cox - 18-20
Loyer - 28+/-
TKR - 30+
Cluff - 22
Mayer - 18-20
Harris - 18-20
Murphy - 10+/-
Jacobson -18
?
Burgess
Benter
West
Smith-would like to see his minutes come down some with more experience from the supporting cast but it’ll be hard to keep him off the court.
Cox/Harris/Mayer- take your pick, hot hand gets the most minutes but all can play with each other also so all will get their fair share. Cox/Harris can be difference makers on defense and Mayer will help with his passing/shooting ability.
Loyer- the guys listed above hopefully support enough so it lowers his average from last year(31min) but Fletch sees plenty of minutes still.
TKR- easy pick for 30+.
Cluff- starts and earns more minutes at the beginning of the season due to experience. Could we see him at the 4 to spell TKR and get Jacobson in the game?!
Jacobson- 7’4” will be hard to keep off the floor if he proves he belongs. Could be a 50/50split with Cluff eventually.
Murphy- hot hand plays more not so much will loose minutes. The kid can really shoot it from deep so hopefully the hot hand makes it hard on Painter.
Burgess- gets minutes somewhere if healthy but if not maybe a RS…?
Benter- wild card guy. He gets some but minutes will be hard to come by this year unless Murphy and others aren’t producing.
West- will struggle to find minutes his first year with lots of experience infront of him, maybe a RS?
Loyer had to play more last season in that trend line simply due to the lack of weapons.
Doubt that is case next year.
Loyer has played because he has an elite impact on offense and rarely misses assignment of defense. All conference level skill.
It will be a big ask for any of the first or second year players to take minutes from him, but who knows, maybe one or more of those guys are ready to be stars.
I have hopes for Cluff, but you can't teach 7'4" AND good timing and instincts on blocking shots. Cluff might even be a "better" (at this point) all around center BUT it's hard to define the value of a true rim protector. (it's high though)
Especially on team where the guards aren't world class quick and getting beat off the dribble has been a concern for 3 seasons now.
I'd be fine with Cluff proving to be the better all around and taking prime minutes.
But I don't think for more than a second that it's going to happen. That big D just gonna be TOO valuable.
We have been blessed to have Fletch at Purdue, he has won a ton of games for us. As far as minutes, I find most the banter here kinda of a waste of time, but we know for a fact Braden is going to be on the court, so his minutes are kinda of know, minute distriputation is going to base on strength of schedule mainly. Is pre-conference schedule going to be a little softer and the BT conference schedule is it going to a very TOP headed monster this year? I see 3 or 4 very good BT teams, 4 or 5 more who should dance, 2 or 3 who are BUBBLE and 4 to 6 who should be in the MAC. Purdue is a better team than last year, more scoring options, more aggressive on defense, deeper at each spot. So Braden is still going to get his 30+, but Loyer, TKR at 25+, with DJ, Cox, Harris, Mayer, Cluff all around 20, Murphy, Benter and West sharing 10! The one guy who could really change the minutes for everyone except Braden, is Burgess! Just have this feeling he is going to rise to the top, and its crowded!
Thats my worry with Cluff, he is a little slow, I do actually think by the middle of BT season DJ and Burgess will be taking some minutes away from Cluff because they are better athletes on the defense side of the ball. Painter has a lot of depth at the 4 and 5.
I won't argue with the Cluff losing minutes statement, but depth at the 4 and 5 is just ok. Our real depth is at the 2/3, with Loyer, Cox, Harris, Omer, Benter, West, and Liam all fighting for 80 minutes available. That's only 11 minutes of playing time per player, and we know Loyer is playing more than 11.
Compare that to the front court where you have 4 players splitting 80 minutes and it's really not that deep, more of just right as long as we don't have any injuries. I suppose Benter or Liam could play spot 4 minutes in a small lineup, but with the frontcourt we have I don't see that being likely.
We have another TOUGH non conference this year and B1G will be better than last year.
No way we go 10+ deep and no way TKR is only at 25+. TKR will be 32+ and fletch will probably be around 27+.
I’d imagine RB may redshirt to have a full offseason to get healthy.
I think Cluff will be just fine.
DJ played 1.03 games last year (26 total mins). I think he can get there, but he’s not going to be up to game speed for probably the first part of the season. He will still need to adjust to everything during games. I hope he’s what you all think he is right away, but may need to lower expectations for a little bit. He’s still a Frosh that doesn’t have much in game experience at all.
With that said, I fully expect him to be killin it for us by mid Feb.
All I know is that we have a very very good problem with minutes. Probably the deepest we have ever been. Glad we have Painter to figure it out.
Sorry, don't agree. Purdue has one of the TOP rated front courts in country. We are twice as deep as last year, not just OK? There are 5 teams in the BT that don't even have a center let alone one of the best rebounders in the country in CLUFF! TKR is a 3rd team ALL-American. DJ started last year, 7'4" rim protector who can shoot. Burgess was our main back-up last year(can shoot) on a top 15 team in the country. There are maybe 2 or 3 teams that will be able to match Purdues skill level at the 4 and 5 in the country next year. Just take a look at the BT, Bigs are missing everywhere. Most teams will have PFs playing out of position, most of them will be fine because most of them will face teams with the same front court issues. BUT, they will not be happy when they see Purdue show up on the schedule!
Although Painter hasn't done it really in the past, this roster is constructed to give completely different looks and playstyles based on the opponent. With 12 playable people on the roster we can do things like aggressive D/press and not worry about foul trouble, have a squad focused on transition offense (TKR/Jacobsen, Liam, Omer, Cox, Smith), a squad for traditional play (Cluff, TKR, Loyer, Harris/Cox, Smith), or a 3 point shooting offense (Jacobsen, Liam, Omer, Loyer, Smith).
The only real gap we have in the roster overall is ISO ball, but I think Smith's ability to find the open man makes that gap somewhat negligible.
The only real gap we have in the roster overall is ISO ball, but I think Smith's ability to find the open man makes that gap somewhat negligible.
I was arguing about depth and you are arguing about how good the players are. I don't think anyone doubts that our 3 bigs are going to be dominant. Depth is about how many players you have behind the starters and how much you lose playing the second or third string. Like I said I think we are ok, in that we lose TKR, Cluff, or Jacobsen it's not going to end our season, but Burgess and Liam will be a big step down from those 3, and bigs usually don't play much more than 20-25 mpg (obviously TKR did last year).
Compare that depth to the 2-3 and it's night and day difference. We lose any of the 2-3 players and we have 4 more very capable replacements that can likely fill the void without a drop off.
He may be a tad slow, but he appears to have good length, footwork, and timing. My observation from watching one of the recent videos (that contained quite a bit of defensive footage) is that he uses his length to bother shots without leaving his feet much, which makes him less susceptible to shot fakes and allows him to quickly get into rebounding position.
I don't think Alabama thought he was too slow when he dropped 21 and 15 on them last December.
I have to believe Cluff and Jacobsen will split the 40 minutes. Jacobsen may see some time at the 4 with Cluff at center and TKR taking a break. Murphy may see some time at the 3 and 4, but probably not more than 10 minutes total. That’s your 80 minutes at the 4/5. I can’t see Burgess receding any significant minutes or being in the 9 man rotation. He may see some time in blow outs or if tkr fouls out.
Painter will play a 3 guard offense until the day he dies. He’ll never play a small forward at the 3.
Smith and Loyer may play fewer minutes in blow outs. But if smith wants to play 40 minutes he will. That leaves 80 minutes for the other guards at the 2 and 3. Loyer should get 20 of those minutes. That leaves 60 minutes for Harris, Cox, Mayer, west, and Benter. Maybe one of the 4 remaining guards will step up and claim 20 of those minutes. Maybe Murphy will claim 5-10 minutes playing the 3. Will it be Harris? Will it be Mayer? Will it be Cox? It doesn’t appear Benter benefited very much from redshirting. Will West redshirt? Or will he be like Loyer and Eastern and Ivie and Carsen and prove he’s worth getting 15-20 minutes as a freshman?
It should be fun to watch. The only certainty is the amount of minutes available is finite. There are two other certainties the first is the players ending up on the bench all have the talent to play 20-30 minutes playing on other teams. And there are many people who can step up. And many posters who can make predictions!
Painter will play a 3 guard offense until the day he dies. He’ll never play a small forward at the 3.
Smith and Loyer may play fewer minutes in blow outs. But if smith wants to play 40 minutes he will. That leaves 80 minutes for the other guards at the 2 and 3. Loyer should get 20 of those minutes. That leaves 60 minutes for Harris, Cox, Mayer, west, and Benter. Maybe one of the 4 remaining guards will step up and claim 20 of those minutes. Maybe Murphy will claim 5-10 minutes playing the 3. Will it be Harris? Will it be Mayer? Will it be Cox? It doesn’t appear Benter benefited very much from redshirting. Will West redshirt? Or will he be like Loyer and Eastern and Ivie and Carsen and prove he’s worth getting 15-20 minutes as a freshman?
It should be fun to watch. The only certainty is the amount of minutes available is finite. There are two other certainties the first is the players ending up on the bench all have the talent to play 20-30 minutes playing on other teams. And there are many people who can step up. And many posters who can make predictions!
Bear in mind that Oscar Cluff has done all of his basketball heroics at South Dakota State. The Jackrabbits. Missouri Valley Conference. He's in the Big Ten now.
Same offensively. Not jumping over anyone but appears very comfortable finishing with either hand around the rim and with very good shot skills in close (back board). He might be a tad slow and mechanical but he's big enough and seems talented enough that I think he'll get his, even at the next level. Maybe he struggles with top defenders like TKR did at times, but at worst he'll be a very adequate backup center.
In his first year of major college basketball he played 20 mpg for a Washington State team that finished second in the Pac 12 and made it to the second round of the NCAAT.
Wow 😲! I would love to see a huge lineup like that but Coach likes 3 guard lineups.
Did Haas, Biggie and Vince ever play together? I thought they did at the beginning of Biggie's freshman season, but I could be wrong. I think they found it wasn't as effective as they hoped and IH started coming off the bench, Biggie moved to a stretch 5 and Vince moved back to the 4.
Others have a better memory than I, but that's the only time I can remember seeing any lineup that size in the last 20 years. Haas was slower than any of the current three guys but Vince was quicker and had a much more polished outside game than Trey. Biggie wasn't a gazelle but he moved well for his size, better than DJ or Oscar.
1st game of Swanigans sophomore year against McNeese State, Purdue started PJ Thompson, Dakota Mathias, Swanigan, Edwards and Haas. Vince Edwards was actually the first out of the lineup after the loss to Louisville and Carsen Edwards began starting. Then after the loss to Minnesota, Haas and Edwards switched.
North! What have I told you about using facts around here!?!
I don’t know about that, but Biggie definitely played with Hammons with somewhat mixed results with Vince playing some at the 3. That said, there is no way that TKR plays at the 3, this season. TKR is a different kind of 4 than VE.
