tjreese said:

an educated guess is that a hand was not shown to be a preference...like I'm going to hire a black female...along with the first choice that couldn't be described as DEI person. Biden did that with his justice saying he wanted a black female for the bench...not proposing to appoint the best, but to fill a demographic as though there is some significance in that demographic that someone might choose.

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Can you honestly say that Hegseth, Gaetz, and RFK Jr are the best of the best for the cabinet positions that they were selected for?

BNIBoiler said:

So why is she not a DEI hire like y’all call black women when they get selected for something? Why aren’t you underestimating or undervaluing Bondi like y’all do black women?

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an educated guess is that a hand was not shown to be a preference...like I'm going to hire a black female...along with the first choice that couldn't be described as DEI person. Biden did that with his justice saying he wanted a black female for the bench...not proposing to appoint the best, but to fill a demographic as though there is some significance in that demographic that someone might choose.

rgarlitz said:

At this point, I'll say Haze.

Statistically, the worst coaches of my time are Jim Colletto, Fred Akers, Ryan Walters, and Haze---probably in that order with Colletto being the best of that bunch and Haze being the worst.

I don't think Bob DeMoss belongs on that list at all. Yeah, he followed Mollenkopf and couldn't keep pace. But, he did go 6-2 in the B1G his las year as Purdue's head coach. None of the other bottom tier of Purdue coaches have come anywhere close to that. I would put DeMoss in the same category as Alex Agase, Leon Burtnett, and Danny Hope as below average but not the bottom.

My take on Purdue coaches since Mollenkopf:

Top tier:
1. Jim Young -- Purdue's best teams since Fat Jack.
2. Joe Tiller -- Consistent success if not great.
3. Jeff Brohm -- Exciting while it lasted.

Average by Purdue standards:
4. Bob DeMoss -- Tough gig to follow Mollenkopf, but a true Purdue man.
5. Danny Hope -- Not a lot of institutional support.
6. Leon Burtnett -- Take out the '84 team, and this looks MUCH worse.
7. Alex Agase -- Competitive but couldn't get Purdue back over the hump.

Bottom Tier:
8. Jim Colletto -- Great running game but no defense and questionable game day decisions.
9. Fred Akers -- No defense, no running game, no real plan
10. Ryan Walters -- It's not looking good.
11. Darrell Hazell -- Three+ years spent in the Haze.

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Agase’s first year finished 5 and 6, but Purdue had 3 first round draft choices, 2 second round and 8 total. I was in college at Purdue during that time. We were disappointed but a lot better than today’s performance!

TwinDegrees2 said:

Bob, please...don't bow your head for my religion. I detest phony and fake people and that's phony and fake.

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Try to show respect and you piss on it. You'd be the first to have a hissy if I decided to make a phone call during your prayer.

Fine. The hell with you and your cult. Actually two cults.

New Pal Boiler said:

Trump is crazy like a fox. My guess is that Gaetz is a pawn in his game strategy.

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I've wondered the same thing!

BB62 said:

If Biden doesn't say he's hiring a black woman and then hires one who is qualified, is that DEI? Is the the question of qualification not the determining factor here? Not whether he announced it or not?

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And around and around and around we go . . . .

TwinDegrees2 said:

I know what a GOOD TEACHER is Bob. I was married to one of the best until her passing from a brain tumor. Lines two wide around a city block at her viewing. A mile and half long procession to her entombment. A stack of letters of love and appreciation from her students of 30 years that is almost 2" thick. The teachers in her school (public) prayed as a group every morning before class and had prayers for those with special needs of any type as needed. Thank God she never had to deal with the woke classroom or the lunacy that exists about education today.

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Which has nothing to do with the topic.

I hope all the prayers made everybody feel better.

Quix0te said:

This is called "circular logic." I'm not joining you on the merry-go-round.

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BS. It not circular logic. You don't have an answer or don't want to answer.

If Biden doesn't say he's hiring a black woman and then hires one who is qualified, is that DEI? Is the the question of qualification not the determining factor here? Not whether he announced it or not?

What seems clear is you want to label hiring of minorities as DEI regardless of whether they are qualified or not.

ChoiceBeef said:

Colvin and Heide not having usable handles is a challenge because it limits their offensive abilities. That is something they should have worked on in the off-season. Perhaps they did but it is a confidence issue.

When they have mismatches against forwards, they should be able to use that to their advantage. They need to be able to cut and slash and not just shoot.

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True...and selling out to a 3 ball or at the rim only for the number's game makes attacking for a mid range shot a second thought...which feeds into more pressure and running Purdue off the three. With a good, quick first step those two should only require 2 and at most 3 dribbles to get into the lane for a short jumpers and confidently elevate knowing the other team doesn't want to foul a jump shooter. High school players should be able to go from the elbow to a layup with one dribble easily uncontested just to show the distance that can be covered. Players 6'5" and taller that are athletic should be able to do that...."IF" they worked on it.

proudopete said:

I think we will see a much more focused and deliberate group on Saturday. Ball control and movement will likely be better as the offense works to move the ball more while also cutting down on the turnovers.

The big three will step up and I could see Braden taking over in this one. If you wanted to predict a triple double, this one would be my pick.

I don’t know if Paint will change the lineup or not but I could see Furst getting the nod at the five.

Harris and Cox need to make sure they are aggressive on offense as we need them to give us something every game. Same goes for Heide and Colvin. It’s just a matter of time before Colvin gives us a double double the way he has been playing D and rebounding.

Overall I predict we slow it down a bit from Tuesday night and really, really focus on cutting the turnovers, rebounding the ball, especially on the defensive end and keeping the opponent out of the paint.

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I've said it in the past and predict it in the future. Containing the dribble and pass (to a lessor extent) outside the lane will be a weaker area 5, 10,15 years from now. It seems Caleb is leading with the ball too early or showing it too early on those potential dunks that get blocked. As we know if Matt makes a change, it many times is after a loss.

Poprudy said:

Agree. This put Braden and/or our offense in a tough position. We had some late clock shots and that isn't our norm.

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If the opposition is to eat clock in a zone press rather than to try to create turnovers, does rushing down the court feed into what the opposition wants since they are backing down and just looking for Purdue to make a mistake, but otherwise not trap? They were stunting and faking the double and playing the pass or waiting for someone to dribble into a trap it seemed at times. Last year when Purdue struggled with the clock as a result of being on their heels a bit...Zach was always an outlet when everything fell apart. I like this team, but it is different than last year and needs some attacking the basket in the half court. Now if you can score against the press...then yes this team should do that.

PaBoiler78 said:

don't get it

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Sometimes guys find it on YouTube
No guarantee though

proudopete said:

They smother the ball as well or better than Marquette. Hopefully we attack it differently.

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Is their 5 man a quick defender. IMO the Marquette defender could hard hedge HARD and still cover Braden for a bit longer which started some problems. A more agile, quicker 5 that was a threat to score with a quick slip and/or create his space rolling as the 5 defender is in that hard hedge ...might back that pressure off a bit. If Auburn has that, it will be interesting to see how Purdue does.

I do think Purdue missing some open looks didn't help the nerves. Purdue handled the pressure about as well as they did in Gloomington a couple of years ago

DwaynePurvis00 said:

Haha (I assume) you’re joking cuz in reality that’d look really bad with future players haha. But I guess other teams do it …but that ain’t paint

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Players transfer all the time. No recruit would bat an eye at a guy like berg transferring to a lower level where he’s more suited to play.

BBG said:

I'm not nervous at all. Way too early in the season to be anyway.. especially considering we are not going to learn how to play without Zach overnight.

The truth is likely somewhere between beating Bama and the loss and I also would add that the Bama game may have taken some gas out of the team as I have little doubt they left it all on the court against Bama considering it was at home, they were #2 and it was a battle.

We're a relatively young team as well so will take our lumps this year to make us a contender possibly next year and I am more than okay with that (not that it matters). There is a truckload of talent on this team that is just a handful of games in to a young season where they are all trying to learn their identity.

Also some perspective.. this is basically a "rebuilding" year for us and we are still a top 20 team. And it was done all without having to go out and buy a team and hope it works. This team is very capable and by March I have little doubt they will put it all together at just the right time.

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Trying to remember the game, but a few random thoughts-

Jacobsen is not needed every game, but his help D in the lane would have been helpful in this game

Braden lost his poise. Regained some second half, but they really keyed on him with a big that could move on a hard hedge and a big athletic guard (Ross) on him all the time.

Seemed to key on the Big Three and not a lot of offense outside of those three

Gicarri’s first impression of not being a perimeter shooter seems true so far.

Thought Caleb although he was slow to try to dunk twice has been playing better this year.

Last two games it appears Cam is starting to find the basket on the perimeter.

Myles hitting the board, but passing up a couple of shots.

Myles/Cam need to be able to get in the lane and most likely would require two dribbles. Both should be able to elevate with a short jumper when opposing teams are applying a lot of pressure.

Purdue wings rarely back cut when feeling pressure. Purdue does backscreen sometimes but only for the 5 and one time for Myles.

Purdue-do NOT pass it when a defender is in the passing lane…and why is the defender in the passing lane…did you not v-step and seal your man before breaking out…or were you too early in your break?

Marquette pressure was good. They were quick and I couldn’t see enough to see if they got by with some physical play in the crowds. Purdue reminded me of a few years ago when it was only a post feed or 3 pt shot…very little in-between to reduce pressure.

Marquette and others will want a hard hedge if able. This forces Braden up higher creating more space in the handoffs and allowing the D to stay with Braden or get a hand in there.

Every team has degrees of difficulty when the opposition applies pressure whether in zone or man pressure variants. Whatever susceptibility to pressure exists inside a team, that team is typically more formidable IMO early in the season, when so many things are being covered and compounded further with new players and youth.

tjreese said:

I just have no idea of how good Pearl's D is?

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They smother the ball as well or better than Marquette. Hopefully we attack it differently.

Boiler Buck said:

Thought it was B10+....is it not?

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It is.

proudopete said:

It’s clear that Painter was all in on Jacobsen at the five this year and to get him experience for our run next year.

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Yeah he very well may have used the “not going to bring in a portal guy on top of you” as part of his pitch to DJ.

Purdue Grad in Texas said:

Auburn will be a good "make-up" exam. We shall see.

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I just have no idea of how good Pearl's D is?

iubhounds said:

Coaches don't think like fans. There will be coaches rushing to interview if called, sinking ship or not. Example ... Bostad left Wisconsin for Tom Allen's sinking ship and then gets hired by the new staff ... the only one from the old IU staff. He just likes coaching football and liked the old school approach he heard from Cignetti. The point being he came to a sinking ship.

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The difference being, IU had an already sunk ship with a new captain. Purdue's ship is still sinking, and the suggestion is to keep the captain and get new lieutenants.

Wolegib said:

The key to this game is to be able to learn from it. We all knew before the game that this would be a tough game to win and a tough team to beat on their home court.

The key now is what lessons did Purdue learn from this loss and will they be able to fix them?

Last year at this time, the question being asked was how can you defeat Purdue with Edey in the middle? Several teams came close. By sagging on Edey and daring Purdue to shoot more threes to win. And Purdue responded by taking and making more 3 point shots.

I guarantee teams were watching both Purdue and Marquette tonight and will copy what they saw as being effective. If Loyer has issues against big physical guards, we will see more of them. If berg is slow and burgess keeps running out of gas, teams will continue to run and play an up tempo game.

I guarantee, unless we learn, the things you complained about will reoccur! Last year, we won a lot of our preseason games, but some were close. As a team, we learned and improved. That will be the key to our success this year! Learn and improve!

I give props to Marquette. They are a good team and deserved to win. I’m hoping for a rematch in April to show them how much we learned.

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most teams will NOT have the personnel to copy as effective. No secrets under the sun and other coaches can see, but can they replicate?

Chi-Boiler said:

Yep. I was 2 floors above the reincarnation.

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Oh boy!!!

Chi-Boiler said:

RA? Or law enforcement?

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Law enforcement..

FiveWeight said:

There’s no reason to believe Joel Embiid would be as classless as Draymond Green. He’s a unique piece of work.

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No one on the planet is as classless as that complete idiot.