OT: George Floyd
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8 minutes. Floyd said repeatedly he was choking and couldn’t breathe.
Exactly right. By humanistic standards, morality is relative and all equally valid.
It's not just my opinion. Much greater philosophical minds than yours or mine make my point for me.
Greeks like Sextus Empiricus and other ancient Pyrrhonist philosophers denied the existence of objective morality.
Baruch Spinoza said that "nothing is inherently good or evil."
David Hume denied that morality has any objective standard, and suggested that the universe remains indifferent to our preferences and our troubles.
Nietzsche believed that morals should be constructed actively, making them relative to who we are and what we, as individuals, and what we consider to be true, equal, good and bad..... People should not react to moral laws made by a certain group of individuals or otherworldly beings.
Albert Camus said "There can be no question of holding forth on ethics. I have seen people behave badly with great morality and I note every day that integrity has no need of rules." Camus also said that without God, there is no such thing as true morality. That is, morality has to have a basis otherwise it is meaningless. Secular humanism says that everything is equally "good" and that no one's thoughts or values are less valid than others, even if the thoughts or values morally repugnant.
Prior to the people in Genesis, men killed each other, stole, and raped and pillaged. God instituted the Ten Commandments to have a basic structure for his people to live by. Those laws became the basis for the system of jurisprudence practiced by the Western cultures for centuries now. That is a fact whether you care to admit it or not.
Thanks for the education in philosophy.
Again it needs to be pointed out what is factual about your last paragraph (that the Ten Commandments became the basis of the system of jurisprudence etc.), and what is not. Depending on one's belief in the literalness of the bible and one's definition of God, respectively, the first two sentences may be opinion and/or matters of faith, but are not necessarily fact.
The idea that human behavior was worse pre-Old Testament than post- may have merit at a local scale, in certain places and cultures. And religion has helped to tame humans worldwide, on balance, I would agree (although in many places one conquering religion only replaced another, in some cases more peaceful, one). At the same time much violence has been wrought over the millenia in the name of religion.
More violence has been wrought in the name of Communism, Socialism, and Marxism, too. Many of these systems have secular humanism as part of their underlying philosophies.
Some (it seems like you’re in this camp) seem to think that religion has done more harm in the world than good. In reality, the truth is that sinful people have done the harm in the name of religion.
Some on Fox get it wrong from time to time. CNN/MSNBC/PRN/ABC/CBS/NBC always get it wrong and lie to cover their lies.
Ask all of the above other than Fox on getting fooled for three years about Russia.
At least Fox was on the right side of Russia! for three years. And you are so perfectly stupid to be a member of mEdIa MaTtErS audience.
Losers who get paid to watch and tweet about Fox News, Mark Levin, and Ben Shapiro. Again, all of the above were on the right side of the Russian hoax that you dumb lapdogs fell for. How embarrassing for you and the mEdIa MaTtErS crowd.
Of course you would focus on who tweeted it vs what Tucker was saying. OF COURSE you would.
Your girl Laura (Eva Braun lite) is still pushing hydroxychloroquine even though it’s proven not to do anything. But yes, please go on about Russia.
What do you think about what Tucker actually said? Or are you just gonna ignore it because you know it’s pathetic and can’t admit it.
Shes pushing a drug that could kill people and the average Fox user is an idiot so I’d say that’s pretty bad.
Shocking that you agree with that sack of turds. Truly shocking. Two peas in a pod.
Let us know when you start taking the dose she prescribes and we can extrapolate from there.
I mean you’re just lurking here waiting to reply to anyone who posts so that makes you a loser on a Friday night as well, right?
He likes to make friends with all kinds of people. He’s a cry baby. Don’t sweat it...
Honest question. You say "this murder is the first time in a while the majority of the people are on the same page". I take that to mean, you think the majority of the public agrees that the officer did commit a disgusting and egregious act in the murder of Mr. Floyd. I have literally not talked with one person of any race who doesn't agree with this. Then you go on to say that racism is a systematic issue. How can the majority of the population agree that the act was wrong if systemic racism exists? I've not been able to wrap my head around that.
Pretty simple: a lot of people believe the act was not rooted in racism at all. Thus, they get to continue feeling good about themselves and society because this was just a bad apple cop that made a bad mistake and killed a guy, not an intrinsically racist cop working for an organization that teaches them to fear and use excessive force on black suspects and black suspects alone. Once you’re comfortable with that level of cognitive dissonance, you can see yet another black man get murdered by police and believe race has nothing to do with it.
Isn't it possible to agree that the act was rooted in racism without categorically accusing an entire profession or group of people as being racist? I'm not so sure that people deny racism exists, or deny acts which are rooted in racism, so that they can "feel better about themselves". I do think people get tired of being labeled a racist because someone else of their race or profession acted out of racism.
Probably.
And I will say on this case I have yet to see all of the videos everyone is talking about so not totally up to speed. But heard today that this officer had over 20 previous complaints against him for abuse of or excessive force. I am sure the prosecution will do this but it would be interesting to see the ethnic backgrounds of all the cases. If the majority or all of them are minorities then sure-racist. But if a lot are white it throws racism up in the air. Then the guy is just an a--, but either way the outcome was the same for the deceased.
Not to change the subject but after so many of these complaints at the least it was time for a desk job and a formal investigation. I think by the time one gets to 3-4 complaints it shows a likely pattern, let alone 20ish. I mean damn, one bad shooting or negative excessive force incident in military could be a career ender.
Actually Minnesota governor just said somewhat similar stuff to what Tucker was saying during his late night presser. Now governor didn't go as far as saying they want to overthrow government.....but there is a lot more going on here than just protest over Floyd's death.
Honestly, do you believe the cop intended to kill Floyd? I'm sure he got up that morning and told his wife that he was going to murder some poor black guy that day. Did the guy die at the hands of the cop...yep. Did the cop screw up...yep. Should the cop lose his job....based on his record of events in his time on the job...yep. In no way am I defending his actions.
