See, now you're doing the default conservative thing and being completely dishonest. If you have to lie about the situation to make your point, maybe you're viewpoint isn't worth anything.
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Your characterization of the professors and State Department employees was completely disingenuous. Professors citing precedent and legal text and government employees stating what they saw and heard is very different than your lies.
We have seen video, documents, WhatsApp messages, witnesses, a GAO report establishing it happened. A video of the President's Chief of Staff admitting it happened. Giuliani admitted it happened.
You right wingers can't make all of that go away just because you think Democrats are being mean to Trump.
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Precedent? There is no precedent in regards to this impeachment and impeachments before it. It's been in the works since day one. Everybody knows it. Your goons and the very serious and somber Nancy Pelosi have said as much. How can anybody take this seriously? You're way too excited/emotionally invested about this last ditch effort by your proud, completely out of touch party.
Disingenuous? How? Nobody on that stand had any facts on anything. They all claimed they heard things. Did they see anything? Nope. Once again, all emotion, no facts.
Hearsay?
Sondland, Hill, Kent, Taylor, Morrison, Holmes, Vindman......almost all are career government employees who have served under dems and pubs.....and they are all saying the same thing.
If you don't like "hearsay", why not hear from the individuals who have direct knowledge?
Executive privilege right? Which gives trump the privilege of denying us the right to decide whether he committed impeachable acts or not.
Why didn't Showtime Schiff and the House call upon those with the supposed direct knowledge? This has been a hatchet job from the get go that is swaying nobody. Talk about a bunch of emotional losers. Who will lose once again.
Jesus Christ man, have you paid a bit of attention? Turn off Fox News and join the real world.
Mulvaney Will Defy House Impeachment Subpoena
Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, said he would obey President Trump’s order not to testify rather than seek a judge’s ruling first.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/us/politics/mulvaney-impeachment-subpoena.html
Now, now, don’t get all worked up. Keep the emotion and big guy upstairs out of it.
Can you blame Trump for not letting him testify? He’s been transparent enough with his dealings with other world leaders, why risk national security information just to try to nail orange man bad? In the world of the Dems, it’s country over party 10/10 though. I get that.
If this were such an open and closed case of bribery, abuse of power, etc. I’d expect the president to be removed. Like any fair minded American would. But there’s nothing there. What happened to the Mueller Report by the way? It’s tough to keep up!
You claimed Schiff and the House didn’t try to get testimony from other people, the fact is they did. Was it ignorance of the situation or were you being dishonest? Has to be one of the two.
Does it? If you say so, comrade.
Showtime claims he has this mountain of evidence so my dumb brain made the mistake of assuming he’d have a worthwhile witness outside of disgruntled State Dept. officials and professors. Mulvaney and Bolton were never going to testify and Showtime and Tehran Nancy knew that.
An impeachment case to remove a president has to include more than this. It simply has to. Especially when removal hinges on withholding aid for 55 days when your predecessor did it for 3 years.
This is basic current events.
The WH sent a letter saying they would not cooperate.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...te-house-letter-democrats-impeachment-inquiry
From your name calling and your lack of knowledge of the basic facts, it's clear this conversation is a waste of time.
Every post you make shows either complete ignorance or dishonesty. Either you don’t know the facts or you’re lying about them. Which is it?
I don't believe that the Democrat party that I used to be able to relate to would have considered impeachment. I consider the leaders of their party to be socialists. I myself voted for Clinton in '96 and, much to my chagrin, Obama in '08. Trump is the first candidate to come along in my lifetime who has made immigration, trade and getting us out of foreign conflicts a priority, something neither the Democrat or Republican party have ever embraced. As many of my friends have said, I didn't leave the Democrat party, it left me.
Did anybody expect them to cooperate? Nobody did.
I do know the most important fact. This is a complete waste of time and he won't be removed.
That Schiff and the House didn’t try to get other witnesses, pretty basic fact that you either didn’t know or you lied about.
Your sentence about the withholding of the aid and comparing it to Obama is also disingenuous and dishonest. Try to be better. Don’t just go along with whatever Fox News tells you.
Try to be better? I’m not a bald guy in my 30s with a dead end job. So there’s that.
Showtime knew who he could get and who he couldn’t get. Don’t be that ignorant. They tried to make something out of nothing and failed.
Don’t be a run of the mill, angry liberal behind a keyboard spinning your wheels. Go live your life. You were so worked up last night, you just had to post that thread on KHC that got removed. Embarrassing.
Thanks for showing the person that you are. Sounds like you knew that House had called witnesses so you were being a liar instead of being ignorant. It’ll be easier now to not take anything you say seriously. If you can’t make a logical factual argument, what do you have?
The logical factual argument is being made in the Senate as we speak. Keep worshiping the state. Again, you just spin your wheels while being on the wrong side. Has to be disappointing.
I have evidence and honesty on my side, not disappointed in the slightest. You must be disappointed that you have to lower yourself so much in order to make excuse after excuse.
You do? Want my email address so you can send it to me? I’m interested in seeing it. It’s crazy that you have it and the House never could obtain it to pass on to the Senate.
I’d even forward it on to some Republican Senators if you want. Whatever works for you.
Do you ever reflect on how you have to degrade yourself to go along with right wing arguments?
The available evidence is already damning. Just because you choose to ignore it or lie about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Being a Constitutionalist isn't right wing. I didn't even vote for Trump by the way.
Degrade myself? It's amazing how seriously you keyboard warriors take things. The hysteria, the hyperbole.
"I have evidence and honesty on my side." What a great quote during a losing battle.
Trump spits on the Constitution and you call yourself a Consitutionalist. I literally laughed out loud. If you can't be honest, isn't that degrading, or maybe you're just not the type of person that cares.
If you ignore or lie about the damning evidence it still exists. It just shows you're either incapable or unwilling of understanding.
Dumb libs like yourself wrapping yourself in the Constitution during this complete joke of a process is the only thing to literally laugh out loud about.
You've been caught in multiple lies now because you repeated right wing propaganda talking points. It's not something to be proud of that the Republican party has abandoned all integrity. You're the perfect useful idiot for the right wing fascists.
I know it makes you feel virtuous and intelligent to spew your lectures on integrity and morality. Saint Obama who sic'd the FBI on journalists was never, ever immoral. Ever. Only orange man bad is immoral.
Idiot? I need to get my banker on the phone ASAP. This morning I was sad, now this afternoon I'm an idiot.
Can't imagine having that hair line by the way. Yikes.
Yeah, "Barack" just said hello to Thursday's "Fool Post of the Day" award winner.....Barack says hello....
1) VA waiting list laid at OBAMA'S feet ?? Fool.
2) Hillary's server issues ?? 100% HILLARY'S issue...
3) the Cincinnati IRS office "targeting" of Tea Party groups ?? Not good. ZERO connection found to the White House....ZERO.
4) Solyndra ? Calculated guess by Obama ?? Not a good GUESS?calculation. Scandal ?....no.
5) Sestak offer ? Questionable ethics. = 1/1,000 of Trump Admin. record.
6) Drone strikes ? Need a list of 500 GOP officeholders who approved ??
7) Clinton Foundation ? NOT the OBAMA Foundation.....the CLINTON Foundation....get it ?
8) FISA procedural issues date back MANY years....imperceptible personal connection to Obama White House
9) Prism became operational in 2007. Libertarian issue spanning a multitude of political and legal jurisdictions......lay all of it @ Obama's feet ?...…...yeah, RIGHT...…...nice try
10) "Phone Scandal" ?? Not a proud moment for Admin. See #5 for context
11) What about the ACA ? Give us just a 10 page OUTLINE of what the GOP "Replacement Plan"
contained -out of a 20,000 page actual Law - would look like...…..given that Republicans had
TEN YEARS to come up with one. THEN we can compare the two, and make judgments, huh ?
bns: We do, in fact, " know what we're getting ", with Trump. The TIP OF THE ICEBERG is in full view
for Americans to observe these days, on the floor of the US Senate.
Trump isn't " lily white", as you say ?? Hell, Americans know a dark shade of gray when they see it.
The Impeachment issue is NOT a criminal court case.
That was made clear in Ms. McGillicuty's 6th grade Social Studies class, two weeks ago.
Can we ask her to save you a (small) seat in her class, so that you can catch up with the basics, here ??
The impeachment issue IS because the democrats don’t like Trump. Nothing more to add except when is the whistleblower going to testify?
No, it's about Trump illegally withholding aid in order to extort an ally to benefit himself personally by having said ally attack his political opponent. You can't just ignore all the facts of the case and explain it away by saying they just don't like Trump.
Just to help me understand you a bit, what kind of job do you hold and your age. I have trouble understanding how we are so far apart. Maybe that will shed some light for me to get where your coming from.
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