Yanni Wetzel visit?

[nagemj02]

This doesn't change my opinion on offering him, but I thought that DII players could play immediately if they're transferring "up" to a DI program.

Does that only apply if it's the other way around (i.e. DI player transferring to DII school)?

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I recall another really good tennis player with great footwork who had a growth spurt, by the name of Gordon Hayward.

I like what I see. I'm not saying that I can tell if he is scholarship worthy by looking at a highlight video, but he looks like a potential nice fit to me. Considering that he switched his focus to basketball from tennis relatively recently, he might have a lot of untapped potential still.

 

[BoiledSteel]

This is a good offer based on everything out there on him in regards to basketball. It's the type of player that some on here would complain about if we didn't go after.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

This doesn't change my opinion on offering him, but I thought that DII players could play immediately if they're transferring "up" to a DI program.

Does that only apply if it's the other way around (i.e. DI player transferring to DII school)?

Nage,

I think it's just the exception for transferring to a Div II or III institution and still requires getting a release.

 

[Boiler_HD]

I don't know enough to say I want him, but do see enough to know he can play and in most years a recruit Purdue would be happy to get. I'm certainly not negative on him...and can see some very real positives for him and Purdue

I can't say I know enough either, but if this kid hit a growth spurt and "picked up" basketball in place of his preferred sport (tennis) and already has this type of skill set. Well call me a gambler but I say why not, I believe in our coaches abilities to develop. But I won't be sad if he doesn't come here, we have much larger recruits we should be focusing on.

 

[Wolegib]

There was a thread and link about available transfers. if it is true, and he has to sit out a year, there were about 10-15 other players as transfers with those same adjectives about feet and quickness etc, and highlight reel films that I'd rather have. Make me happy - sign the transfer from Duke !

My son had a chance to play Division 2 basketball. I personally know 2 Division 2 coaches. I know the talent level and also the height/size. Being 6'10 in Div 2 is like being a giant among boys. Averaging 7 boards against other 6'7 centers is not overly impressive.

if he were still at high School, I believe he'd probably be a 3* project center and we'd probably say Ondigo and trap are better. To be blunt, I'd rather have Phinisee than waste a scholarship on somebody who projects to be Haarms' understudy at best !

the tough question to ask - is he better than Haarms? if not, then pass and move on.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

2 pages of comments about a potential visit....imagine if we potentially consider extending an offer his way.....

Maybe we are entertaining him as a way to have protection (Taylor not being able to play) or putting some pressure on recruits to go ahead and commit.

 

[Wolegib]

there is a big difference in basketball players having a growth spurt ALA David Robinson and switching positions, than in tennis players having a growth spurt and suddenly becoming basketball players.

the Greek freak (Mil bucks) has a little brother who was a 2/3 * guard playing in Milwaukee who went kind of unnoticed until he had a growth spurt. he at least was playing organized basketball. As his growth spurt occurred, he changed positions and became a better player and his recruiting started attracting the attention of Div 1 schools. And he signed with Dayton or Akron.

But, in this case, you have a gifted tennis player, who grew a few inches, and is now trying to become a basketball player. I think he will do well. But I believe Purdue has better players to pursue for the position he will ultimately play.

 

[Wolegib]

2 pages of comments about a potential visit....imagine if we potentially consider extending an offer his way.....

Maybe we are entertaining him as a way to have protection (Taylor not being able to play) or putting some pressure on recruits to go ahead and commit.

if taylor has another injury this year , I don't want to back him up or replace him with somebody who has to sit out this year. Additionally, if taylor has another injury this year, I want to replace him with a true freshman who can start next year like the 2018 version of Tilmon, McCoy, or JJJ.

If taylor is not healthy this year, he'll never be healthy. and it would be time to move on to find somebody who could be a 3-4 year starter; not a 1 year band aid.

 

[BoilerStation]

there is a big difference in basketball players having a growth spurt ALA David Robinson and switching positions, than in tennis players having a growth spurt and suddenly becoming basketball players.

the Greek freak (Mil bucks) has a little brother who was a 2/3 * guard playing in Milwaukee who went kind of unnoticed until he had a growth spurt. he at least was playing organized basketball. As his growth spurt occurred, he changed positions and became a better player and his recruiting started attracting the attention of Div 1 schools. And he signed with Dayton or Akron.

But, in this case, you have a gifted tennis player, who grew a few inches, and is now trying to become a basketball player. I think he will do well. But I believe Purdue has better players to pursue for the position he will ultimately play.

He's not trying to become a basketball player. He IS a basketball player and has been for at very least 2 years and has shown improvements in his play as well as statistically. I would hardly say going form 6'1 or 6'2 to 6'10 over the course of a couple years is a few inches.

 

[Dryfly88]

This is a good offer based on everything out there on him in regards to basketball. It's the type of player that some on here would complain about if we didn't go after.

I really don't think anyone would complain if we didn't pursue a Dll transfer. Hell, most of us didn't even know he existed until this thread!

 

[BoilerStation]

I really don't think anyone would complain if we didn't pursue a Dll transfer. Hell, most of us didn't even know he existed until this thread!

Does anybody really exist until a thread is made on here about them? It is the place to get the most factual, unbiased, up to date information out there.

 

[tjreese]

I really don't think anyone would complain if we didn't pursue a Dll transfer. Hell, most of us didn't even know he existed until this thread!

The realities are there are a LOT of players we don't know about as there are great coaches in lower levels as well. I see a guy that can spread the court, is versatile, can drive the ball, with good quickness and ability to run the court. he has decent size and seems skilled. There may be a lot of players better than him that Purdue is ready to grab...I don't know and I'm fine with whatever happens. Coaches see a lot of players and know the team better than fans. If the coaches want him...there are reasons.

 

[02Boilermaker]

Make me happy - sign the transfer from Duke !

If you didn't see the news about him the last few days, Jeter appears to only be visiting teams on the west coast.

 

[Do Dah Day]

This doesn't change my opinion on offering him, but I thought that DII players could play immediately if they're transferring "up" to a DI program.

Does that only apply if it's the other way around (i.e. DI player transferring to DII school)?

Danything to D1 sits out. Juco that has GRADUATED does not sit out. There are some minor credits toward degree things to make sure are where they need to be also. D1 down to Danything else does not sit out. The rules apply based on your CURRENT school ... so someone could go D1 to D2 and not sit out, but if they come back to D1, they sit out. And the play four out of five consecutive years applies.

 

[ghost_of_d.]

The video appears impressive, but holy cow let's at least look at it with a little perspective. 15.5 points and 6.8 rebounds in 31+ minutes per game are not eye-popping numbers at the D2 level. Especially considering he appears to be 4 inches taller than almost every opponent in that video.

What exactly does "world-ranked junior tennis player" have to do with determining the upside of a Division 1 basketball player? If he were a world-ranked junior bowler would that hold weight too?

 

[tjreese]

The video appears impressive, but holy cow let's at least look at it with a little perspective. 15.5 points and 6.8 rebounds in 31+ minutes per game are not eye-popping numbers at the D2 level. Especially considering he appears to be 4 inches taller than almost every opponent in that video.

What exactly does "world-ranked junior tennis player" have to do with determining the upside of a Division 1 basketball player? If he were a world-ranked junior bowler would that hold weight too?

no, but a world class soccer player would interest me if he were 6'9". I have no idea what his stats are and in many cases they are controlled by a coach. That said we are also looking at highlights. If he is as quick as those 4 inch shorter players in the video...that too is a plus. Time will tell if he gets an offer. We should know more tomorrow...

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Didn't we have a Wetzel once before or is this a really old post? I think his name was Adam.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Just to muddy the water a bit, I have watched many DII games involving the better teams in that division. They are pretty darned good players. I asked the coach of Ky Wesleyan back when it was dominating DII what the difference was between D1 and DII ... his answer was "Two inches." I'm sure that's not a universal truth, and it could well be "twenty pounds" also. I don't think St. Mary's was a great DII team (I didn't research it), but I would not discount him solely based on being DII. Especially based on his resume' when DI teams could have recruited him. He didn't have much going for him at that point.

 

[Do Dah Day]

no, but a world class soccer player would interest me if he were 6'9". I have no idea what his stats are and in many cases they are controlled by a coach. That said we are also looking at highlights. If he is as quick as those 4 inch shorter players in the video...that too is a plus. Time will tell if he gets an offer. We should know more tomorrow...

I wou8ld offer that a tennis player who can immediately react baseline to baseline and net to backline can probably get from one side of the lane to the other pretty damn quickly. He also would probably have stamina. Now, can he jump and does he anticipate well? Since many don't think Basketball IQ exists and would take a superior athlete over basketball IQ ....

 

[Dryfly88]

The realities are there are a LOT of players we don't know about as there are great coaches in lower levels as well. I see a guy that can spread the court, is versatile, can drive the ball, with good quickness and ability to run the court. he has decent size and seems skilled. There may be a lot of players better than him that Purdue is ready to grab...I don't know and I'm fine with whatever happens. Coaches see a lot of players and know the team better than fans. If the coaches want him...there are reasons.

Steel said that people would be upset if we didn't offer this kind of player. I'm saying that's not true because the vast majority of people on here had never heard of him until this thread was started. So why would anyone care if we didn't offer him a scholarship?

There are lots of good players at DII and DIII schools, but I'm not going to be upset if we don't offer any of them a scholarship, are you?

Put it another way: How many DII transfers have made an impact in the B1G in the past 10 years? Not many right? So why would anyone be upset if we didn't offer a scholarship to one? I contend there will be a whole lot more questions and scrutiny if he is offered a scholarship than if he isn't.

As far as the bolded part: Then I guess we should just delete any threads that have to do with recruiting and just trust the coaches will get the right guys........no use even talking about it right?

 

[tjreese]

Didn't we have a Wetzel once before or is this a really old post? I think his name was Adam.

yes, played for a coach I know and played some ball with. He also had Luke Recker at Dekaub...Cliff Hawkins

 

[ghost_of_d.]

Just to muddy the water a bit, I have watched many DII games involving the better teams in that division. They are pretty darned good players. I asked the coach of Ky Wesleyan back when it was dominating DII what the difference was between D1 and DII ... his answer was "Two inches." I'm sure that's not a universal truth, and it could well be "twenty pounds" also. I don't think St. Mary's was a great DII team (I didn't research it), but I would not discount him solely based on being DII. Especially based on his resume' when DI teams could have recruited him. He didn't have much going for him at that point.

The difference between a good dII player and a solid role player at IPFW might be two inches. You're kidding yourself if you think that holds true at the B1G level. Regardless of the relative skill of his teammates, I'd think a legit high-end DI player could will his team to a better record than 12-18.

 

[Do Dah Day]

The difference between a good dII player and a solid role player at IPFW might be two inches. You're kidding yourself if you think that holds true at the B1G level. Regardless of the relative skill of his teammates, I'd think a legit high-end DI player could will his team to a better record than 12-18.

I agree with what you say ... and I was quoting a DII coach ... not my words and there could have been some pride/ego involved. Just thought it was an interesting answer.

 

[ghost_of_d.]

I wou8ld offer that a tennis player who can immediately react baseline to baseline and net to backline can probably get from one side of the lane to the other pretty damn quickly. He also would probably have stamina. Now, can he jump and does he anticipate well? Since many don't think Basketball IQ exists and would take a superior athlete over basketball IQ ....

Basketball IQ certainly exists. I'd even suggest that our team had one of the higher basketball IQs in the country. Our guards probably had way higher basketball IQs than Kansas's guards...

 

[tjreese]

Steel said that people would be upset if we didn't offer this kind of player. I'm saying that's not true because the vast majority of people on here had never heard of him until this thread was started. So why would anyone care if we didn't offer him a scholarship?

There are lots of good players at DII and DIII schools, but I'm not going to be upset if we don't offer any of them a scholarship, are you?

Put it another way: How many DII transfers have made an impact in the B1G in the past 10 years? Not many right? So why would anyone be upset if we didn't offer a scholarship to one? I contend there will be a whole lot more questions and scrutiny if he is offered a scholarship than if he isn't.

As far as the bolded part: Then I guess we should just delete any threads that have to do with recruiting and just trust the coaches will get the right guys........no use even talking about it right?

not sure...duncan Robinson was DIII transfer. Nothing has changed in what I stated. I see positives, but do not know the situation and who Purdue thinks they are going to get. I also didn't say people should delete threads or not talk about recruits...many have offered opinions and I offered mine as well as trying to state the obvious that the coaches know more aobut the recruits than the people in this forum. I know coaches knowing more bothers you, but it is the truth and it shouldn't bother you. None of that suggests that coaches are perfect or that a forum member couldn't be right and the coaches be wrong. However, I have only seen video and have NO insight into who the coaches think they can get and what the particular skill sets of the returning players and new recruits will have next year. The coaches know that and it will color their eyes different I would expect, than you or I without that information..and so yes I believe them to be in much better position for nto only comparible players, but skill sets already recruited as well as returnees. I've been around the game a few years and it doesn't bother me at all to think the coaches know more than me...particularly in the players they have and who they have offered as those things are personal things not tied into shooting form, defense, passing or whatever that has some standards that are more easily recognized.

 

[takedownboiler]

Is his footwork good enough to stop either of the UM forwards off the dribble?

 

[tjreese]

Is his footwork good enough to stop either of the UM forwards off the dribble?

with the rules the way they are..he would be better in that regard than Haas, Biggie, most likely Taylor and Vince, but it would still require help side as few can stop the dribble with the rules they way they are...course if they swallow the whistle more like this years tourney...then who knows?

 

[TX4GB]

He looks a little like Moe Wagner shooting 3's and driving to the basket but hard to tell with just 5 minute highlights. He would be a high risk/high reward type of player depending on how he develops. We need a little good luck if we gamble. Brad Miller had a similar growth spurt in HS but Miller was playing bball before the height jump. He seems like a St. Mary's Gaels (Cal) type of player with the Australia/NZ connection they have. I wonder if they are looking at him too.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Basketball IQ certainly exists. I'd even suggest that our team had one of the higher basketball IQs in the country. Our guards probably had way higher basketball IQs than Kansas's guards...

Where were you a month of two ago? There were some serious doubters you could have jousted with.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Is his footwork good enough to stop either of the UM forwards off the dribble?

This is what I like about him being a tennis player. I would much rather have a 4 who can guard the perimeter and contain penetration than a 4 who can block shots.

 

[Dryfly88]

not sure...duncan Robinson was DIII transfer. Nothing has changed in what I stated. I see positives, but do not know the situation and who Purdue thinks they are going to get. I also didn't say people should delete threads or not talk about recruits...many have offered opinions and I offered mine as well as trying to state the obvious that the coaches know more aobut the recruits than the people in this forum. I know coaches knowing more bothers you, but it is the truth and it shouldn't bother you. None of that suggests that coaches are perfect or that a forum member couldn't be right and the coaches be wrong. However, I have only seen video and have NO insight into who the coaches think they can get and what the particular skill sets of the returning players and new recruits will have next year. The coaches know that and it will color their eyes different I would expect, than you or I without that information..and so yes I believe them to be in much better position for nto only comparible players, but skill sets already recruited as well as returnees. I've been around the game a few years and it doesn't bother me at all to think the coaches know more than me...particularly in the players they have and who they have offered as those things are personal things not tied into shooting form, defense, passing or whatever that has some standards that are more easily recognized.

You've missed my position completely. I have no problem saying that CMP knows more about recruiting than I do. I have a problem with some of the posters on here thinking they know more because they coached some AAU or helped some HS coach with his scouting. I sure hope CMP knows more than you and I, if he doesn't we are paying him way too much to be our coach!!

If we don't offer this kid I don't think anyone is going to care and that is what I posted.

 

[*4purdue*]

I have no informed opinion on Yanni other than the little I've seen and what I've already said. However, I can't imagine any coach not wanting two players like Wagner and Wilson...both versatile, can put the ball on the court, go inside and out and cause other teams defensive problems. I would love to have bookends like that and suspect most coaches would. Then again, I've been on record for a long while with my preference of two really good 4's instead of a 4 and 5 on the offensive end.

The kid played D2 and had 95 turnovers. He's not Wagner and Wilson. Combined they only had 77 turnovers. The kid is a turnover machine like Biggie without the talent.

 

[Wolegib]

If you didn't see the news about him the last few days, Jeter appears to only be visiting teams on the west coast.

I said make me happy! Don't post sad news! Next thing you know somebody will tell me McCoy signed with UNLV !

 

[StickPurdue]

The kid played D2 and had 95 turnovers. He's not Wagner and Wilson. Combined they only had 77 turnovers. The kid is a turnover machine like Biggie without the talent.

This kid is a project. Those saying otherwise are delusional. There is upside, but he would need time to develop and would have to sit a year. If the '18 class wasn't so rich in talent we have a shot with, I would say worth it. But, it isn't worth the scholarship for a developmental project we will use for at most 2 years (if he sits one and plays 2).

 

[Wolegib]

I would disagree that coaches and owners are smarter than us fans and posters! Just look at the Bears NFL draft ! I rest my case !

 

[nagemj02]

Just to muddy the water a bit, I have watched many DII games involving the better teams in that division. They are pretty darned good players. I asked the coach of Ky Wesleyan back when it was dominating DII what the difference was between D1 and DII ... his answer was "Two inches." I'm sure that's not a universal truth, and it could well be "twenty pounds" also. I don't think St. Mary's was a great DII team (I didn't research it), but I would not discount him solely based on being DII. Especially based on his resume' when DI teams could have recruited him. He didn't have much going for him at that point.

You're right, St Mary's (San Antonio, TX) wasn't very good. They were 12-18 this past season.

 

[tjreese]

You've missed my position completely. I have no problem saying that CMP knows more about recruiting than I do. I have a problem with some of the posters on here thinking they know more because they coached some AAU or helped some HS coach with his scouting. I sure hope CMP knows more than you and I, if he doesn't we are paying him way too much to be our coach!!

If we don't offer this kid I don't think anyone is going to care and that is what I posted.

I did miss what you said and can agree with almost all. I do thinking coaching games, practice and scouting does in fact aid with some understanding. That doesn't mean that people that have coached are right all the time, but teaching things is different than watching them. Now all that said, I believe that X and O's can be learned as a personal interest, but until you teach things and work with the kids and parents I'm not sure all backgrounds are the same. Still, those that have done those things are not above being critiqued on their understanding.

As an example, when Darius Bazley decommitted and made his comments...almost all talked about how talented he was and how many would love to have him. When I read his comments...red flags immediately went up. None of this means I'm right...it is just that perhaps I read things others never because of not experiencing playing time issues and so many things that go into the player differences...chemistry problems...

Now, the red flags I saw may not be warranted at all, but that isn't my point. My point is I read things different than what others read and it suggests that different experiences may in fact alter how we react to teh same set of stimuli. Again, the red flags may not be warranted, but they quickly came to my mind and didn't to others...that is all. I think coaching is an art. I mentioned Cliff at Dekalb above.... probably close to a 500 game winner and I think he is very fundamentally sound, excellent organizer with drills with "maybe" his weakest link being the feel. I see where Jerry Bomholt was mentioned by Cliff..another close to 500 win coach and I remember his rigidity in running ALL out of bounds plays every place as though they were being guarded...his running of flex and such and he certainly appeared to not allow freedom. Mo Smedley that was at Marion and then returned for a stint with Zach Randolph..old coaches win a lot of games, but it is fair to state they can be wrong and people without that experience could be right on things. I spent many a night up with Gerald Vandeaventer a Purdue grad and Knight fan along with my brother-in-law as Gerald was trying to run more of a Princeton set 35 feet from teh bucket in the late 70s long before he coached Calbert Cheaney...and no question that coaches make mistakes, but hte game goesssss sooooooo fast.

AAU coaches do not have the political issues with school boards, maybe can't develop players since practices are limited, but get right into the game coaching. Yes, I think there could be some color missed by not coaching. I took algebra many years ago and yes could do a few things today, but I'm not prepared to teach it...same with Geometry, Trig, "K"alculus as well and my understanding is somewhat different than a teacher that was a math teacher. I could learn it and was offered by a supt down in Florida to coach basketball down there and apply for a waiver years ago for math and physics at Vero Beach in which I would be unqualified.

I have no problem with anyone posting, as all at some point provide value into this forum, but I do think not all opinons on all areas are of the same value...but all are worth considering...

 

[tjreese]

The kid played D2 and had 95 turnovers. He's not Wagner and Wilson. Combined they only had 77 turnovers. The kid is a turnover machine like Biggie without the talent.

okay, so why did coache(s) want him to visit?

 

[Wolegib]

I am wondering! How can you make all that analysis on a 2 minute tape? When a player makes a highlight film, don't they usually omit all their bad moments and only show their best traits? Based on his height against smaller d2 centers, I would believe his stats should be better as well as his team's success.

I'd really like to to have this guy as a tennis player. But a great athlete does not always make a great basketball player! Playing tennis provides great footwork! But getting only 7 rebounds is indicative of a lack of jumping ability or knowledge of how to defend and box out. Does he know how to take a charge? He was his Conference player of the year . Has his conference ever produced a d 1 player before?

As I said earlier, while he may be able to play basketball, there are a lot of 6'10 basketball players out there. And I believe there are a lot better options worthier of consideration.