you never quoted anyone and assume your quote was to do dah day or ghost something,b ut unsure
Yanni Wetzel visit?
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A different thread asked how we are going to spend our time now that the season is over! I believe we have found our answer!
Uh Oh... now you have done it...you have watched a video and concluded that a kid Painter is after might not be worth a scholarship at this level....
Someone should explain to you that as a Purdue fan you have to assume all of Painter's recruits are either the next Magic Johnson or a "Poor Man's" Magic Johnson
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I did miss what you said and can agree with almost all. I do thinking coaching games, practice and scouting does in fact aid with some understanding. That doesn't mean that people that have coached are right all the time, but teaching things is different than watching them. Now all that said, I believe that X and O's can be learned as a personal interest, but until you teach things and work with the kids and parents I'm not sure all backgrounds are the same. Still, those that have done those things are not above being critiqued on their understanding.
As an example, when Darius Bazley decommitted and made his comments...almost all talked about how talented he was and how many would love to have him. When I read his comments...red flags immediately went up. None of this means I'm right...it is just that perhaps I read things others never because of not experiencing playing time issues and so many things that go into the player differences...chemistry problems...
Now, the red flags I saw may not be warranted at all, but that isn't my point. My point is I read things different than what others read and it suggests that different experiences may in fact alter how we react to teh same set of stimuli. Again, the red flags may not be warranted, but they quickly came to my mind and didn't to others...that is all. I think coaching is an art. I mentioned Cliff at Dekalb above.... probably close to a 500 game winner and I think he is very fundamentally sound, excellent organizer with drills with "maybe" his weakest link being the feel. I see where Jerry Bomholt was mentioned by Cliff..another close to 500 win coach and I remember his rigidity in running ALL out of bounds plays every place as though they were being guarded...his running of flex and such and he certainly appeared to not allow freedom. Mo Smedley that was at Marion and then returned for a stint with Zach Randolph..old coaches win a lot of games, but it is fair to state they can be wrong and people without that experience could be right on things. I spent many a night up with Gerald Vandeaventer a Purdue grad and Knight fan along with my brother-in-law as Gerald was trying to run more of a Princeton set 35 feet from teh bucket in the late 70s long before he coached Calbert Cheaney...and no question that coaches make mistakes, but hte game goesssss sooooooo fast.
AAU coaches do not have the political issues with school boards, maybe can't develop players since practices are limited, but get right into the game coaching. Yes, I think there could be some color missed by not coaching. I took algebra many years ago and yes could do a few things today, but I'm not prepared to teach it...same with Geometry, Trig, "K"alculus as welland my understanding is somewhat different than a teacher that was a math teacher. I could learn it and was offered by a supt down in Florida to coach basketball down there and apply for a waiver years ago for math and physics at Vero Beach in which I would be unqualified.
I have no problem with anyone posting, as all at some point provide value into this forum, but I do think not all opinons on all areas are of the same value...but all are worth considering...
I can make it real simple: If you have been or currently are, a college basketball coach then I'd love to have those posters step forward and post their resume. Short of that, we've all played and coached at some level so I think we can drop the idea about this mystical knowledge that some think they posses. It's a free message board, there aren't any D1 coaches here. We're fans of PU basketball and like to talk about it, let's leave it at that.
Now, can we get back to the discussion of recruiting a DII transfer?
That's not realistic at all. Lots of teams going after those guys and more to come.
Granted, we are recruiting many players but we're not going to get everyone we want.
You think we're going to get 4 guys better than Yanni? History would say no.
Lots of promise with this kid.
We are also after Trapp, Nance, and a multitude of 6'7 wings that could play the four of need be. Factor in all of the guard prospects as well. Way too much talent to take that big of a risk. I do think we land atleast 3 of the guys I have listed on different posts as plan A guys (and there are about 10 total) and then anothe 1-2 from plan B or grad transfer. It isn't like last year when the majority of plan A was top 25 with blue bloods involved. Young and Tillman were the both 50-80 players and they were the ones I thought Purdue should have landed and felt like actual misses. Purdue is the best offer currently for a handful of those kids. Purdue has been on others for a long time. Yes, it is worth the '18 gamble and hoping for 4-5 plan A (or high B), than taking a flier on a D2 project. Nothing you can do to convince me otherwise. Painter has to be willing to bet on himself occasionally and make the smart choice.
Yanni has a horrible shot (though apparently he has a decent percentage) and somebody mentioned he is a turnover machine. He is far from a sure bet. No, I would pass. If Painter takes him, I hope he succeeds and it would mean he saw something I didn't. I would understand the offer as well. Betting on upside. But I think the '18 class is loaded with much better and safer options.
you must not feel painters previous recruiting was that good? or that this d2 kid is expected to be that special?
in the last 10 years, painter has landed 17 4/5 star players. factoring in not being constrained by a stingy recruiting budget anymore, that would lead me to think that yes we can continue landing top prospects (who are also eligible to play in year 1).
This recruiting cycle just finished up, another one to come. Long way to go. More offers are going to start coming for these guys.
Getting in early means so much less than it used to. We were the first (or best) early offer for Damezi and he has said that means a lot.........but we'll see if more good offers start coming.
3 out of 10 on our plan A guys? That would be something as it hasn't happened it what.....10 years?
As tjreese said,Painter knows who he has a good chance with and who is unlikely. There's a reason he's looking at Yanni. The quantity of offers......or the number of guys we were in on early.......or the players who have us as their best offer right now.........means less than you are saying at this point.
I like where our recruiting is going, bringing Lutz on looks like a great move. But lets pull the reigns back a little thinking it will mean we land 3 or 4 of our top targets.
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For the record, I'm a huge Painter defender. I don't think it's unfair to say Painter needs to recruit better.......and I think he's getting there. The history lesson isn't necessary..........and it's disingenuous to mention 5 stars with the 4. Haven't got many, but I'm not hung up on 5 stars. I'm just trying to be realistic, to not set up crazy expectations.......which seems to happen here every year.
Stick said it's realistic to say we are gonna get 2 of Penn-Johnson, Dowuana, Nance, Bingham Jr.
That is almost certainly not going to happen. One of them appears to be lost to us already.
Lets just see what happens. I am somewhat confident with where our recruiting is headed. This class could be good, I'll remain optimistic even if it isn't.
I saw something to that effect on MLive. I didn't take it as him saying that is the final 3 and only ones he is talking.
not sure about a history lesson, just a reminder of what was accomplished with far less money available for recruiting, assistants, etc.
if he has to sit a year, i think the odds are in painters favor to land 4 guys possibly even better over that two class span.
(but no one knows until it plays out in later years)
with such an increase in resources, having a NPOY candidate, back to winning the conference and going to the sweet 16... I think most fans expectations and excitement have been on the upswing.
aren't these good things lol?!
while I doubt many have expectations of a national title next year, it also seems quite bizarre sometimes reading how fellow fans are just so unknowledgable and how others should temper their excitement for the team.
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2018 is considered a very down year for big men options. If grabbing one now takes some of the pressure off to land one in 2018 and at the same time they can contribute in 2018 which is the same time a freshmen would be coming here I'm all for it. A 4th and 5th year YW has a good chance of being better than the first 2 years of a project big man. At the same time Painter can still go after bigs in classes better suited to fill the needs like 2019 and 2020.
Geez. A guy makes a visit and a war breaks out. We didn't even offer the kid. Everyone cool down.
That is how this forum works. Anything remotely positive is turned in to some squabble by some on here and then those of us that choose to be more realistic and optimistic get mired down by their constant barrage of negativity.
actually it is easy to see that lack of knowledge in some posts in many forums...and not being a coach that has watched the DII transfer or know the internal situations and admitting I do NOT have that mystical knowledge or knowing things I don't... I have no informed opinion on the DII situation and defer that to those that have more knowledge in this area as I've stated repeatedly. You on the other hand can do what you wish and I will not take what you post as a "do or don't for all", but merely your thoughts on various subjects as I would have wished my thoughts were considered.
There are things we know. There are things we know, we don't know. However the things we don't know that we don't know many times come back to bite us. (Rumsfeld)
This is novel. Never been implied to me that I was down on this coach or the program.
I like where the program is going. I like that Painter went after Lutz to help improve the recruiting. I have argued for years the budget increases would have a big impact on recruiting,,,,,,and it might take awhile to be seen. I said "I am somewhat confident with where our recruiting is headed. This class could be good, I'll remain optimistic even if it isn't."
I just try to keep my feet on the ground when it comes to expectations for recruits or the team. Doesn't mean I'm down on anything, just means I see so many go overboard and then rant after the expectations aren't met. Gets old. You can do what you like.
Painter knows what he needs. He has a good idea of who he is likely to get and who he isn't. He is doing his homework on Yanni. I'll let him decide.
Funny, I'm the one trusting his judgment on this recruit while you're the one second guessing him.
I will make this simple and direct.....If Painter wants him to be a Boilermaker, then I want him to be a Boilermaker.
Looks like a talented young man who has some upside and excited to see his potential.
Boiler Up!
Looks like a talented young man who has some upside and excited to see his potential.
Boiler Up!
Duncan Robinson jumps instantly to mind scoring 11 ppg in this first season after sitting out.Steel said that people would be upset if we didn't offer this kind of player. I'm saying that's not true because the vast majority of people on here had never heard of him until this thread was started. So why would anyone care if we didn't offer him a scholarship?
There are lots of good players at DII and DIII schools, but I'm not going to be upset if we don't offer any of them a scholarship, are you?
Put it another way: How many DII transfers have made an impact in the B1G in the past 10 years? Not many right? So why would anyone be upset if we didn't offer a scholarship to one? I contend there will be a whole lot more questions and scrutiny if he is offered a scholarship than if he isn't.
As far as the bolded part: Then I guess we should just delete any threads that have to do with recruiting and just trust the coaches will get the right guys........no use even talking about it right?
His name has already been mentioned. That's 1 so far in the last 10 years......I'm sure there are others, but it won't be many. That was my point.
a qualifier... can he be an effective player in whichever zone that is most effective for the others at Purdue in the desired zone?
Yanni is the type of kid that usually ends up in a place like Nebraska...surprised Purdue is looking @ him really?
But it does show me what MP thinks of the prospect of Haarms and our beloved Jacquil Taylor as back up 5s in the future.
But it does show me what MP thinks of the prospect of Haarms and our beloved Jacquil Taylor as back up 5s in the future.
I have always found that very stupid....to allow a D1 players to transfer down and play immediately but not the other way around.
What?????
Harms is a more natural 4 with height to play spot up minutes at the 5 but not strong enough yet.
Taylor would only have one year left as our starting center once Yanni comes out of red-shirt after having to sit one year.
What it tells me is Painter can bring in an experienced player to sit a year and learn the system and then back up Taylor at the 5 spot the following year and then a potential starter his final season.
It also gives Taylor more flexibility his senior year to move to his more natural 4 position (similar to Biggie) and would give Taylor a chance to play the 4 or 5 his senior year and market his skills potentially to the NBA or overseas market.
Then Yanni can start his senior year or split minutes with a new recruit we bring in the next year or the following.
Hate the negative undertones of some on here, I wish everyone could see the positive and silver lining instead of assuming the negative.
Boiler Up!
I'm just sitting here with fingers crossed that Taylor can enjoy 2 injury free seasons. Any great productin would be a bonus. Just want him to be what he can without constant fear of it all going away.
Haarms doesn't have the footwork or lateral quickness to guard a 4 on the perimeter. He is a stretch 5 that will be able to use his advantages to pull bigs out to the wing which opens up the lane for guys like Carsen, Mathias, and Nojel. Haarms has a good enough shot to force other bigs to step all the way out to the arc to defend him but appears to have the ability to at least hedge much better on the pick and roll.
Putting Haarms and Haas on the floor at the same time would be more disastrous than Haas and Hammons and there is a reason we just never saw that during their time together at Purdue.
sorry didnt intend to take your opinion out if context or anything. suppose that happens when I reply while also thinking of overall board sentiment and posts of others as well.
I also did not intend to criticize painter either. but I would say I was quite surprised. On one hand, thats unfortunate if he does know we are out of the running with initial offers/targets already. On the other had, it is sort of vintage painter - going after the lesser known, possibly future dynamic players, even though he has more resources at his disposal now.
i think back to when john hart was offered, and some freaked out with that.
speaking of offer....
the more I read it seems there isnt one?
someone posted about it being a good offer earlier in the thread, but this may not be true, yet.
so that whole aspect of the debate is a moot point anyway lol!
another aspect I find interesting is that if this was posted/suggested in a transfer or recruiting thread weeks earlier....
i would anticipate there being more negative comments or possible mockery at the suggestion. maybe not, but wouldn't surprise me
It wouldn't surprise me if this is correct but how exactly does one come up with such an empirical statement? He's hasn't played in a game in almost 18 months and has yet to don a Purdue uniform.
I'll agree with that. But he was not included in the GBI 2017 listing. with the other 2017 commitments. Was that a typo and oversight by GBI ? or was he classified differently? We don't talk about him much. almost an afterthought
I would disagree with the post that said there are not a lot of BIGs in the 2018 class, so that we should grab one now and not worry about it. There are a lot of BIGs in the 2018 class, just not 4/5 star BIGS. Just because there are not a lot of elite BIGS doesn't mean we should jump all over the first 2 * star BIG who wants to play for us.
and technically, if he can't play in 2017, he should be regarded and rated against the other 2018 recruits.
and technically, if he can't play in 2017, he should be regarded and rated against the other 2018 recruits.
My point still stands. YW after 2 years on the court and a year to soak up everything Purdue would have to offer stands to be better off right away compared to 3 star or less project big men. Compare him to 2018 recruits if you want even though it's inaccurate considering he will have 2 years of college ball under his belt. We will still have 4 scholarships to give next year even if he comes. Leaves plenty of room for another big man who won't have the pressure to contribute immediately. He helps balance out the classes a little bit to instead of having 5 or 6 2017 and 5 2018 kids.
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