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Dude, IU is no longer considered a "blue blood". Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc, are the "blue bloods" in college basketball. Even UCONN would be considered that at this point. They've won and have been relevant in the past decade.
IU hasn't been relevant since Bobby Knight was escorted off campus 22 years ago. Even IU's recruiting, especially in the transfer portal, demonstrates that.
I see where you're going. do they feel inferior to IU in basketball, the ones that care about basketball most certainly do. now the average person at those schools probably doesn't care about basketball. you keep wanting to frame the discussion on the institution as a whole, all along I've said only in basketball.
5 national championships, 2nd largest fan base in the country, IU is a blue blood. once you have reached that status its who you are.
blue bloods are the cornerstone programs of college basketball, UCLA UK UNC Duke Kansas and Indiana it's really not even debatable.
And out of all of those schools, which one has had the longest dry spell since they've won anything meaningful?
We will see how Duke does in the near term.
Duke could be like IU, their Blueblood status may have come and gone with Coach K.
You speak incorrectly. IU has 5 NCAA Championships. Only 3 of those can accurately be described as National Championships. You are extrapolating backwards the present status of NCAA victory into past National Championship. The first two were won when the NIT was the more important tournament.
The NIT was played in a more prestigious venue. It was open to independents as well as conference winners. The NCAA was more restrictive. That meant many very good teams, all independents and mostly religious, were barred from participating.
Plus, having explained to you what a "blueblood" is and you still like to refer to IU and its fanbase as such, really calls your judgment into question. I suspect that you may be one.
Also, how is IU having the 2nd largest fanbase? Where does that number come from and how is it calculated? UNC and Duke have larger fanbases (and East Coast metro following) and UCLA has the metro LA base that has more people in it than the state of Indiana. I really question that assertion.
you don't lose your blue blood status. once it's earned its eternal, UConn can win the next 5 championships they wouldn't be a blue blood.
UCLA can't sell out Pauley pavilion, are you being serious? college basketball is an afterthought in LA
This is clearly nonsensical. IU is a "blueblood: because it won 5 NCAA Championships but if UConn wins 5 that doesn't count for what reason? Because you said so.
Army has won a number of football national championships. That was quite a while ago but they are real. Does that mean that you consider Army a football blueblood? If so, you are in a very small minority these days. I am sure that they are 4 of the nicest guys that you would ever like to meet. And Army qualifies as "eternal" in status? That is ridiculous.
Army deemphasized athletics poor example, UConn was a division 2 school 30 years. you can't be a cornerstone if the building is already built.
I seem to remember a few years ago when IU was selling Assembly Hall tickets for $5.00. Are you going to claim that did not happen? Because it did. How can you be an eternal blueblood at $5.00?
You are also dodging the other points made in response to your posts. That is because there is no logical response to be made. You declare by fiat and that is it - no logical explanation necessary. Of course, that is how European bluebloods thought, but in the end that did not get them very far.
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When did Army de-emphasize athletics? They never did. The U of Chicago did, that's for sure. Army is a D-1 school in all sports. You are making things up.
Also, UConn was a founding member of the Big East Conference in 1979. They were already playing D-1 basketball before that. Duke was named in 1924, but they became prominent in the 1960s and thereafter.
You seem to believe that you can define things as you wish and therefore that is reality. That is not how the world works.
Beginning to think your effort to write or breathe during this conversation isn't worth it.
This guy is a complete troll.
I laughed out loud when you said that Purdue fans that care about basketball feel inferior to IU. That’s actually a fairly ridiculous statement. Possibly back when Knight was around and you were consistently winning and doing well in the postseason there were a decent number that might have. With the the misplaced continued arrogance of IU fans hanging on to their past successes like they were yesterday that belief only exists in the minds of IU fans not actually in Boiler fans!
what points am I dodging? is Harvard considered a better institution than IU , sure but that's got nothing to do with basketball. what are the points I'm dodging I will address them. I've also stated several times IUs performance the last 20 years have not been up to the standards of the past.
most would consider IU and North Carolina to be pretty similar at around the year 2000 probably the gold standards of college basketball would you agree with that? then what happened unc decided to get in the mud basically having non-student athletes, IU didn't go there. You think UK and Kansas have been above board ever? now with NIL the playing field is level let's see what happens the next 10 years.
I respect Purdue because they run a clean program and they win on a consistent basis, you want to vilify me, go ahead I just speak the truth..
Maybe my words were wrong, what started this was the question of why Purdue fans hate IU with such vengeance. I think it has something to do with IU being a state and national brand and Purdue being just a local brand. I think that causes some resentment.
You can't include Duke if that's your criteria. First national championship in 1991 (eight years prior to UConn) and the majority of their success is since 1986.
I agree with this. I'd call Purdue basketball more of a regional brand than a local brand, but I think your basic premise is correct.
or the guys over here consistently looking for validation. I think that national brand has taking a hit over the years because of their lack of success.
No, it mostly has to do with iu having SO MANY totally clueless, idiot fans that say Purdue stinks while ignoring the steaming pile they just dropped all over their shoes.
Grow up in that atmosphere and you learn to despise the latent lucency.
Or maybe it is partly that state ID thing.
Knowing that people in other states look at the morons at iu and thinking that all hoosiers are so slack jawed and dim is enough to make you furious.
Just a guess.
Hoosier by birth.
Boilermaker by the grace of God.
In case you missed it, the academic term for almost all colleges and universities is over. I suspect that your apparent lack of familiarity with institutions of higher learning caused the error in your comment.
How so? IU fans ask us to simultaneously hold two contradictory positions. They claim that IU is the true representative university of the state because of its name and the fact that Purdue fans are mostly alumni. Yet object when it is pointed out that these same fans would not know their way around a university classroom if their life depended on it, they object.
You can't have it both ways.
I grew up not far from Terre Haute and not far from Bloomington. I can tell you for a fact that the nonstop crap for anything not IU and not Bobby Knight was cult-like. Things like grown-ass middle aged men getting in the face of middle schoolers about how Purdue sucked or the most pious little old school teacher giving a run down after every IU game about how great Bobby Knight was and that excused his bad language and worse behavior are two examples of how deep this ran.
At least on message boards we have a choice to come on here or to engage. I will say that with the wilting of IU's prowess some of the day-to-day crap is waning. But, there was a lot of crap to wade through from years that makes it hard to forget.
One-sided, absolutely NOT. Besides on the message boards from select few or on game days with some 'trash talking', I have never witnessed a Purdue fan doing anything close to what the IU supporters pull(ed).
Two things:
1) I had heard that Purdue was considered at the "Ivy League" level outside of Indiana. I had dismissed this until I was in Texas. Sat on my butt for two days, got an interview and job offer the third day based on the "Purdue" name. I thought that was lucky on my part, but after a couple of month's in, realized that the upper level management were constantly bringing visiting big-wigs to my to show off their "Purdue Engineer".
I have had the opportunity to bump into Purdue folks all over Europe, China, and other places far from Indiana. The number of people wearing Purdue branded clothing far exceeds what I have seen wearing IU items.
2) You do realize that Purdue was just awarded one of 95 Brands That Matter by Fast Company, and I believe the only higher-ed institution recognized as such.
Purdue has a world class engineering school, IU has a world class business school, both have alumni all over the world. so?
