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WTF secondary?

The secondary is definitely inconsistent, but one point to note: Purdue is currently tied for 8th in the country for interceptions. The common adage is that db's and safeties would be wr's if they knew how to catch. Purdue's secondary appears to be pretty good in that category at least.
 
I don't know why people are questioning his speed. Just look at his draft profile. He is one of the fastest guys in the Big Ten.

With that said, there are coverages designed to prevent the fastest of fast receivers from beating you over the top. But, it takes 2 things. One is scheme, cover 2 with 2 dropping safeties should get the job done over 90% of the time. The other is simple execution, those safeties have to play with proper depth, take good angles, and simply not allow guys to get behind them.
 
Second point, and something no one acknowledges in their postings, did someone miss an assignment? Is it possible that a safety was supposed to give help and the corner was relying on that?
A few games ago I remember that the radio announcer didn't blame the closest person that allowed the catch and large gain but another player for being out of position, but no one else seemed to have picked up on that.
 
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Cam had a terrible game. We have been playing 1 deep safety most of the season it seems. That beats the run (which is critical in our division) but asks our DBs to be superstars in man coverage (which they are not). Our kryptonite is going to be a team that can slow our offense and burn our secondary. Let’s keep this offense churning and pray for the best. Good win boys.
Most snaps all of our DBs are within 8 yards and most are closer. Corners are usually right on the line. The only time we back off is in long yardage situations. It creates some possibilities of big gains. It’s our style. It’s how we play. It’s by design.

Expect feast or famine from the Purdue defense. Has anyone noticed that WR’s are constantly behind us? It’s bc we dare teams to throw deep. The deep throws are low percentage but it’s frustrating when they hit them.

I think Purdue DB’s suck when they try and play off. I’d rather them play tight. I’m glad we have a pulse on defense. I remember not so long ago when we didn’t.
 
Did I need to be a better football coach than the Haze for me to make the observation that he sucked?
I said he sucked the day he was hired! But most people here said I knew nothing at the time and was too critical. I don’t claim to know much. But some things are obvious.
 
Most snaps all of our DBs are within 8 yards and most are closer. Corners are usually right on the line. The only time we back off is in long yardage situations. It creates some possibilities of big gains. It’s our style. It’s how we play. It’s by design.

Expect feast or famine from the Purdue defense. Has anyone noticed that WR’s are constantly behind us? It’s bc we dare teams to throw deep. The deep throws are low percentage but it’s frustrating when they hit them.

I think Purdue DB’s suck when they try and play off. I’d rather them play tight. I’m glad we have a pulse on defense. I remember not so long ago when we didn’t.
It is indeed frustrating. We want the best of both worlds, to play as you are describing but to switch things up when getting gashed by the deep ball. Perhaps its not that simple. And the last thing you wanted on Saturday was for Nebraska to get their run game going IN ADDITION to the passing game.

On the bright side, this run-stopping defense should be well suited for Big Ten ball and football weather, more than any Purdue defense in recent history. This will be put to the test on Saturday!
 
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I become frustrated when I come here and people who claim to be really intelligent kept talking in the preseason about how great and awesome our secondary was going to be with several of our DBs being NFL bound. The secondary was supposed to be our strength. Our o line was supposedly to be our weakness. Either those players have really disappointed this year or those posters didn’t really know very much about what they were posting.
 
I become frustrated when I come here and people who claim to be really intelligent kept talking in the preseason about how great and awesome our secondary was going to be with several of our DBs being NFL bound. The secondary was supposed to be our strength. Our o line was supposedly to be our weakness. Either those players have really disappointed this year or those posters didn’t really know very much about what they were posting.
I think the OL has been blamed for a lot of issues over the Brohm era. If we are being honest with ourselves, Purdue OL’s have been better at pass blocking and rarely good at moving guys up front. However, with Mockobee they look better.

Mockobee hits the hole and makes people miss. He does a good job of setting up blocks. There is a drastic drop off when he’s not in the game. The other guys are fine, but most of those guys aren’t ripping off the longer runs.

The RB makes the OL look better or worse. Kinda like the QB makes the WR’s look better. I suppose the opposite can be true. I just think we’ve seen the power backs at Purdue slamming it up in there and running with no finesse. It’s fine, but few big plays form the running game. Brohm gets away from it and then we become one dimensional which leads to bad offense. That’s my ramble for the day.
 
I think the OL has been blamed for a lot of issues over the Brohm era. If we are being honest with ourselves, Purdue OL’s have been better at pass blocking and rarely good at moving guys up front. However, with Mockobee they look better.

Mockobee hits the hole and makes people miss. He does a good job of setting up blocks. There is a drastic drop off when he’s not in the game. The other guys are fine, but most of those guys aren’t ripping off the longer runs.

The RB makes the OL look better or worse. Kinda like the QB makes the WR’s look better. I suppose the opposite can be true. I just think we’ve seen the power backs at Purdue slamming it up in there and running with no finesse. It’s fine, but few big plays form the running game. Brohm gets away from it and then we become one dimensional which leads to bad offense. That’s my ramble for the day.

I agree with this. It's night and day when Mockobee is in the game. What I've seen out of Downing and Doerue is that they run right into defenders trying to power their way thru instead of being patient and finding a hole. Horvath could get away with it because he would run guys over. The number of times I've seen Downing run right into a defender is maddening. Mockobee is patient when he needs to be and hits the hole quick when its there. We haven't had this type of running back since DJ Knox, if even then. He's clearly transformed the running game and does a great job of catching the ball out of the backfield as well. I can't imagine what he'll be like when he puts on a few more pounds and better understands the offense.
 
Heard a stat on a podcast that the Purdue D has given up the most 30-50 yard pass plays this season (not sure if that's just in the B10 or nationally), but they've also give up the fewest 10+ yard rushes.
Figures, that we finally get a great run D and then our secondary gets killed by the big play.
 
I agree with this. It's night and day when Mockobee is in the game. What I've seen out of Downing and Doerue is that they run right into defenders trying to power their way thru instead of being patient and finding a hole. Horvath could get away with it because he would run guys over. The number of times I've seen Downing run right into a defender is maddening. Mockobee is patient when he needs to be and hits the hole quick when its there. We haven't had this type of running back since DJ Knox, if even then. He's clearly transformed the running game and does a great job of catching the ball out of the backfield as well. I can't imagine what he'll be like when he puts on a few more pounds and better understands the offense.
Said the same thing to a buddy of mine. Mock has really good vision and makes the right cuts. A lot of our other RBs don't make those cuts that can turn a 3 yard gain into a 12-15 or more yard gain. That's just RB instinct that's hard to teach.
 
Heard a stat on a podcast that the Purdue D has given up the most 30-50 yard pass plays this season (not sure if that's just in the B10 or nationally), but they've also give up the fewest 10+ yard rushes.
Figures, that we finally get a great run D and then our secondary gets killed by the big play.

I find it interesting that Brohm continues to talk about not giving up big plays on D. Then he allows our DC to put our CBs and safeties into a position where they would have a hard time not giving up big plays. I really don't think we needed to load the box against Nebraska. We could have stopped the run without that scheme.
 
I think the OL has been blamed for a lot of issues over the Brohm era. If we are being honest with ourselves, Purdue OL’s have been better at pass blocking and rarely good at moving guys up front. However, with Mockobee they look better.

Mockobee hits the hole and makes people miss. He does a good job of setting up blocks. There is a drastic drop off when he’s not in the game. The other guys are fine, but most of those guys aren’t ripping off the longer runs.

The RB makes the OL look better or worse. Kinda like the QB makes the WR’s look better. I suppose the opposite can be true. I just think we’ve seen the power backs at Purdue slamming it up in there and running with no finesse. It’s fine, but few big plays form the running game. Brohm gets away from it and then we become one dimensional which leads to bad offense. That’s my ramble for the
Said the same thing to a buddy of mine. Mock has really good vision and makes the right cuts. A lot of our other RBs don't make those cuts that can turn a 3 yard gain into a 12-15 or more yard gain. That's just RB instinct that's hard to teach.
A great RB is one who is patient enough to wait for his line to create holes for him to run through. A lot of fast RBs run right into the d line and go nowhere
 
I find it interesting that Brohm continues to talk about not giving up big plays on D. Then he allows our DC to put our CBs and safeties into a position where they would have a hard time not giving up big plays. I really don't think we needed to load the box against Nebraska. We could have stopped the run without that scheme.
Is that right coach?
 
I agree with this. It's night and day when Mockobee is in the game. What I've seen out of Downing and Doerue is that they run right into defenders trying to power their way thru instead of being patient and finding a hole. Horvath could get away with it because he would run guys over. The number of times I've seen Downing run right into a defender is maddening. Mockobee is patient when he needs to be and hits the hole quick when its there. We haven't had this type of running back since DJ Knox, if even then. He's clearly transformed the running game and does a great job of catching the ball out of the backfield as well. I can't imagine what he'll be like when he puts on a few more pounds and better understands the offense.
The Village Idiot speaks….
 
Like to give you idiots a chance for redemption, however you always seem to disappoint

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Most snaps all of our DBs are within 8 yards and most are closer. Corners are usually right on the line. The only time we back off is in long yardage situations. It creates some possibilities of big gains. It’s our style. It’s how we play. It’s by design.

Expect feast or famine from the Purdue defense. Has anyone noticed that WR’s are constantly behind us? It’s bc we dare teams to throw deep. The deep throws are low percentage but it’s frustrating when they hit them.

I think Purdue DB’s suck when they try and play off. I’d rather them play tight. I’m glad we have a pulse on defense. I remember not so long ago when we didn’t.

JB addressed that very point in the pre-Wiscoldsin press conference. We play close and perhaps take too many chances.
 
I don't know why people are questioning his speed. Just look at his draft profile. He is one of the fastest guys in the Big Ten.

With that said, there are coverages designed to prevent the fastest of fast receivers from beating you over the top. But, it takes 2 things. One is scheme, cover 2 with 2 dropping safeties should get the job done over 90% of the time. The other is simple execution, those safeties have to play with proper depth, take good angles, and simply not allow guys to get behind them.
In order for that do work you have to have LBs capable of stopping the run and a pass rush. We don't, so safeties have to support against the run and give up short passes. Pick your poison. I would rather give up long drives (bend but don't break) as opposed to 70 yds over the top game after game. End of the day it is a recruiting problem.
 
I’ll rephrase the question : do I need to be a power 5 head coach to know that the Haze was a terrible head coach ?
Don't even engage with this guy. He cherry picks posts and goes after anyone he views as "against players and coaches". He's just doing this to try to get under your skin. I've put him on ignore and my enjoyment of this forum has increased...
 
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In order for that do work you have to have LBs capable of stopping the run and a pass rush. We don't, so safeties have to support against the run and give up short passes. Pick your poison. I would rather give up long drives (bend but don't break) as opposed to 70 yds over the top game after game. End of the day it is a recruiting problem.
Graham must not be 100% because I haven't see much of a difference in those regards in the 2 games since he returned
 
You said he was just “decent”. He’s a lot better than that. He’s a five star recruit that will be playing on sundays a year from now.

Having said that, our game plan to contain him was piss poor.
I said he had decent speed (OK, he has above average speed). But, 4.44 is not world class speed.
Maybe he's like David Bell who's just really good at getting open.
 
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I said he had decent speed (OK, he has above average speed). But, 4.44 is not world class speed.
Maybe he's like David Bell who's just really good at getting open.

You said he was just “decent”. He’s a lot better than that. He’s a five star recruit that will be playing on sundays a year from now.

Having said that, our game plan to contain him was piss poor.
For perspective, Rondale runs a 4.29.
Sheffield has run a 4.43
Yasseen has run a 4.44
 
I said he had decent speed (OK, he has above average speed). But, 4.44 is not world class speed.
Maybe he's like David Bell who's just really good at getting open.
You said: “He’s a decent WR but he’s not that special.”

He’s a lot better than a “decent WR”. He’s a five star who will be drafted in the first 2 rounds. I’d call that special.

And he’s in no way comparable to David Bell, who ran in the 4.6 - 4.7 range.
 
Heard a stat on a podcast that the Purdue D has given up the most 30-50 yard pass plays this season (not sure if that's just in the B10 or nationally), but they've also give up the fewest 10+ yard rushes.
Figures, that we finally get a great run D and then our secondary gets killed by the big play.
There is a distinct correlation here.
 
Don't even engage with this guy. He cherry picks posts and goes after anyone he views as "against players and coaches". He's just doing this to try to get under your skin. I've put him on ignore and my enjoyment of this forum has increased...
So you ignore yet still saw it. Got it. I go after the idiots who have never played a sport yet criticize our players and coaches . You know, guys like you.
 
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