Why I don’t think Walters 100% gets fired and why that’s a good thing

[BCfanatic2020]

He deserves to be fired. There is no excuse for his performance

However Purdue is not an attractive job. It’s a bottom feeder for NIL. That’s just a fact. That doesn’t make Walters good for anyone who has a reading disorder.

Revenue sharing is not finalized. But it will be. Once that happens Purdues TV deal becomes highly relevant from a roster perspective. Right now it’s only relevant for funding the AD. That immediately makes Purdue more attractive than most jobs outside of the big ten and SEC. Is it more attractive than SMU? probably still a no. But they have big time oil money.

So, would you rather make the hire from a very so so group of coaches? Or would you rather wait a year and make the hire when really good coaches want to be your coach?

All that said, again, in case you have a mental disorder, if they fire him at 11:30 I’ll be fine.

 

[BBG]

However Purdue is not an attractive job. It’s a bottom feeder for NIL. That’s just a fact.

No it isn't a "fact" We're ranked right around 34th/37th depending on whether you go by on3 or 24x7. It's also silly to say it's not an "attractive job".. that is something really only Woleblab thinks.

 

[pboiler18]

Just when we thought you’d left for good…

The BIG12 and ACC coaches are very poachable now. They know this is coming and will be finalized too. This gives you incredible leverage to make a hire now. I’m not sure what keeping Walters, going 2-10 next year and losing more of the talent that would stay or come here does to put you in a better position next year.

While it puts us on the level with other BIG and SEC peer schools we are definitely a more attractive destination for players with revenue sharing in place over any other school. With revenue sharing as well, the school could pay that out of its own budget and let the AD budget stay in tact at this point. Another thing that would help us be competitive in the long run.

At the end of the day a competent AD could see the Walters downfall coming and package up a presentation of what this looks like now and into the future…compensation for staff, players, et all vs where they stand currently. I think it’s an easier sale now to bring somebody in vs when we brought in Walters. A seat at the table in the P2 is appealing. Why wait if we can poach a Klieman, Campbell, etc type who will ultimately get “left behind” in the ACC or BIG12?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

No it isn't a "fact" We're ranked right around 34th/37th depending on whether you go by on3 or 24x7. It's also silly to say it's not an "attractive job".. that is something really only Woleblab thinks.

Wait so you think our roster capabilities are anywhere close to when we can use 20 million of tv money to pay players? You’re really of that mindset?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Just when we thought you’d left for good…

The BIG12 and ACC coaches are very poachable now. They know this is coming and will be finalized too. This gives you incredible leverage to make a hire now. I’m not sure what keeping Walters, going 2-10 next year and losing more of the talent that would stay or come here does to put you in a better position next year.

While it puts us on the level with other BIG and SEC peer schools we are definitely a more attractive destination for players with revenue sharing in place over any other school. With revenue sharing as well, the school could pay that out of its own budget and let the AD budget stay in tact at this point. Another thing that would help us be competitive in the long run.

At the end of the day a competent AD could see the Walters downfall coming and package up a presentation of what this looks like now and into the future…compensation for staff, players, et all vs where they stand currently. I think it’s an easier sale now to bring somebody in vs when we brought in Walters. A seat at the table in the P2 is appealing. Why wait if we can poach a Klieman, Campbell, etc type who will ultimately get “left behind” in the ACC or BIG12?

Guess we will see if you’re right. Please list now all of the coaches you think we will get

 

[TC4THREE]

Like I've been saying, fire him for something. Not because it seems like what everyone wants. Have a direction to go that you feel good about. That's when to make the move. I'd rather wait out another year of Walters (and save money with a lower buyout) than sign up for another 2-4 years or bad football if we aren't lined up with a good replacement.

 

[pboiler18]

Guess we will see if you’re right. Please list now all of the coaches you think we will get

Impossible to know. Are we offering $4mil? $6mil? $10mil?

 

[BBG]

Wait so you think our roster capabilities are anywhere close to when we can use 20 million of tv money to pay players? You’re really of that mindset?

That isn't remotely what I said. You said it was a fact we are at the bottom of NIL.. and that isn't close to being true.

 

[BBG]

2-4 years or bad football

With where the current state of the program is, we're likely that way already.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Impossible to know. Are we offering $4mil? $6mil? $10mil?

You’re making a claim. Put your balls on the line and give me a list of outstanding coaches one of which you know we will hire. I don’t care if your list is 44 coaches long

 

[BCfanatic2020]

That isn't remotely what I said. You said it was a fact we are at the bottom of NIL.. and that isn't close to being true.

If the power 2? Absolutely. In division 1? No

 

[pboiler18]

You’re making a claim. Put your balls on the line and give me a list of outstanding coaches one of which you know we will hire. I don’t care if your list is 44 coaches long

What claim am I making?

If the AD wants to pay the next coach $4mil, we can pull from a certain pool. If it’s $6mil, the pool gets bigger. If it’s $10mil the pool gets even bigger.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Like I've been saying, fire him for something. Not because it seems like what everyone wants. Have a direction to go that you feel good about. That's when to make the move. I'd rather wait out another year of Walters (and save money with a lower buyout) than sign up for another 2-4 years or bad football if we aren't lined up with a good replacement.

Exactly. For Chris creighton or Toledo coach no. If there are really great coaches who want to come here pre revenue sharing go for it

 

[ANDY597]

Cant the future coach realize revenue sharing is going to happen and help direct it from the start why does a plan have to be in place

 

[BCfanatic2020]

What claim am I making?

If the AD wants to pay the next coach $4mil, we can pull from a certain pool. If it’s $6mil, the pool gets bigger. If it’s $10mil the pool gets even bigger.

“The BIG12 and ACC coaches are very poachable now. ”

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Cant the future coach realize revenue sharing is going to happen and help direct it from the start why does a plan have to be in place

Everything today is now now now and coaches who know that they are the Urban meyers of tomorrow want to hit the ground running

 

[pboiler18]

“The BIG12 and ACC coaches are very poachable now. ”

If you’re willing to pay them $8mil for 8 years with a giant assistant pool, can show that a player coming here gets a minimum for 100k in revenue share then I think we could pull almost any ACC or BIG12 coach outside of a select few.

Do we have that kind of commitment to football? I don’t know. Should we? Yes, we can afford it.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

If you’re willing to pay them $8mil for 8 years with a giant assistant pool, can show that a player coming here gets a minimum for 100k in revenue share then I think we could pull almost any ACC or BIG12 coach outside of a select few.

Do we have that kind of commitment to football? I don’t know. Should we? Yes, we can afford it.

Don’t you think the commitment to football from our donors is low compared to revenue sharing

 

[pboiler18]

Don’t you think the commitment to football from our donors is low compared to revenue sharing

Sure. But if we can pay 105 kids 100k per year from the school and ACC and BIg12 teams can’t that gives us a huge leg up. Then from there all of our NIL donor money can go to specific players beyond the 100k.

I think you greatly overestimate how much kids are making and just how many currently make over 100k.

At the end of the day, it would take a 6-7mil boost per year to get the HC and assistant pool to top grade. We should do that. If the school can front the 10.5mil for the 100k, call it marketing and do that. This stuff should be hammered out now and sellable to a new coach. If it hasn’t been we need an entirely new AD.

 

[pboiler18]

At a minimum we should hire Candle from Toledo. If we’ve done our homework and can make the commitment I shared above you could offer 80% of the BIg12 and ACC and they’d come.

My feeling, we are going to offer the job at $4mil and get the requisite middling to bad candidates that would take $4mil.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Wait so you think our roster capabilities are anywhere close to when we can use 20 million of tv money to pay players? You’re really of that mindset?

The $20 million is already public knowledge, hence “baked in” to the equation.

You assemble a list of “can’t miss” current head coaches, offer them your “max” salary and salary pool, along with their NIL and rev share numbers, and then if you strike out, maybe you consider giving Walters one more year. And that would be bad news in this scenario.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Sure. But if we can pay 105 kids 100k per year from the school and ACC and BIg12 teams can’t that gives us a huge leg up. Then from there all of our NIL donor money can go to specific players beyond the 100k.

I think you greatly overestimate how much kids are making and just how many currently make over 100k.

At the end of the day, it would take a 6-7mil boost per year to get the HC and assistant pool to top grade. We should do that. If the school can front the 10.5mil for the 100k, call it marketing and do that. This stuff should be hammered out now and sellable to a new coach. If it hasn’t been we need an entirely new AD.

We can agree to disagree.

Even the biggest basketball fans on KC admitted that of that 20 million 12 probably goes to football. That means even if you split it 85 ways, before donors pay a dime, you’re at $141k per player.

I think the bottom 30 players getting only 50 probably works. That puts you at 190 for your top 55. Highly possibly that you can end up going 50 for 30, 100 for another 20, 150 for another 20, 200 for 10. And you can go get 5 guys or keep five guys making about 700,000

There are very few people in football doing something new or that know something others don’t anymore. So, if you’re one of few openings and you can offer that to one of said people right away, you can probably get one. Instead of maxing out at like a Bret bielema

 

[BBG]

If the power 2? Absolutely. In division 1? No

Actually numbers prove it so. I mean it's a 30 second google search to show it.....

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Actually numbers prove it so. I mean it's a 30 second google search to show it.....

What are the numbers the collectives?

 

[pboiler18]

We can agree to disagree.

Even the biggest basketball fans on KC admitted that of that 20 million 12 probably goes to football. That means even if you split it 85 ways, before donors pay a dime, you’re at $141k per player.

I think the bottom 30 players getting only 50 probably works. That puts you at 190 for your top 55. Highly possibly that you can end up going 50 for 30, 100 for another 20, 150 for another 20, 200 for 10. And you can go get 5 guys or keep five guys making about 700,000

There are very few people in football doing something new or that know something others don’t anymore. So, if you’re one of few openings and you can offer that to one of said people right away, you can probably get one. Instead of maxing out at like a Bret bielema

I don’t know what we are disagreeing on.

Revenue sharing sets us in a higher tier for paying players over schools that can’t do it.

If we pay our coaches, pay our players and continue to put money into the program, I don’t see why we can’t be a 7-9 win team every year.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I don’t know what we are disagreeing on.

Revenue sharing sets us in a higher tier for paying players over schools that can’t do it.

If we pay our coaches, pay our players and continue to put money into the program, I don’t see why we can’t be a 7-9 win team every year.

On when to fire the coach. I want Purdue to make a hire with big player acquisition money ready to go. I don’t want them to hire a guy who is just okay and then for everyone to say “he was okay you can’t fire him after one year just cause revenue sharing started”

 

[qazplm]

The $20 million is already public knowledge, hence “baked in” to the equation.

You assemble a list of “can’t miss” current head coaches, offer them your “max” salary and salary pool, along with their NIL and rev share numbers, and then if you strike out, maybe you consider giving Walters one more year. And that would be bad news in this scenario.

I mean there's no such thing as a can't miss coach.

Certainly they should be talking to people and certainly they should be prepared to significantly increase nil spending. But since I have no confidence in the latter, I'm skeptical about who they'd get with the former.

If they were committed to properly funding the program, they probably don't pick Walters in the first place. He was the budget option. Which isn't his fault by the way. They could have paired him with top rate coordinators but they went budget there too.

Until we stop going motel 6, it's going to be a crapshoot at best.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I mean there's no such thing as a can't miss coach.

Sure there is. Brohm was. Cignetti was. Rhule was. Bielema was. Fleck was. A proven head coach.

Can we/will we pay up for that type of hire? I have no idea.

 

[TC4THREE]

So tired of the NIL discussion. Giving more money to a bad coach isn't going to help.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

So tired of the NIL discussion. Giving more money to a bad coach isn't going to help.

No, but candidates who CAN coach, like Cignetti a year ago, want to know what the commitment level is prior to accepting the job.

 

[Bippus33]

I mean there's no such thing as a can't miss coach.

Certainly they should be talking to people and certainly they should be prepared to significantly increase nil spending. But since I have no confidence in the latter, I'm skeptical about who they'd get with the former.

If they were committed to properly funding the program, they probably don't pick Walters in the first place. He was the budget option. Which isn't his fault by the way. They could have paired him with top rate coordinators but they went budget there too.

Until we stop going motel 6, it's going to be a crapshoot at best.

Why fire CRW if the administration isn't going to put more skin in the game???

 

[pboiler18]

Why fire CRW if the administration isn't going to put more skin in the game???

If they don’t fire him it’s because of this, IMO.

If what bc is saying is accurate, I’m not against waiting but also don’t see how with a treasure trove of salary, a good assistant pool and a plan of how revenue sharing will be handled once live, you couldn’t get that guy today.

 

[TC4THREE]

No, but candidates who CAN coach, like Cignetti a year ago, want to know what the commitment level is prior to accepting the job.

Eh. I'm not that committed. Just hire a decent coach.

 

[pboiler18]

Eh. I'm not that committed. Just hire a decent coach.

It’s A step in the right direction.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Eh. I'm not that committed. Just hire a decent coach.

Any coach with options isn’t signing here if he KNOWS he will always be 18 out of 18 in payroll.

 

[TC4THREE]

Any coach with options isn’t signing here if he KNOWS he will always be 18 out of 18 in payroll.

That's fine. Just hire someone better than Walters.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

That's fine. Just hire someone better than Walters.

Limiting ourselves to the guys with no other options (i.e. young, inexperienced coordinators) is how we got Walters.

 

[TC4THREE]

Limiting ourselves to the guys with no other options (i.e. young, inexperienced coordinators) is how we got Walters.

Allowing a clown show of a hiring process is how we ended up with Walters. There are probably dozens of G5 and FCS head coaches who would be a huge upgrade who won't sniff any power conference opportunities in the next five years.

First priority, head coaching experience. Don't believe me, take it straight from Walters who admitted a few weeks back that he is too involved in assistant coaching duties and not focused enough on running the program. You think him not having prior head coaching experience might be a reason for that? Hire someone who does.

Of course if you want to tackle the heavily talked about NIL limitations feel free to write a big ass check and put your money where your mouth is.

 

[Dreambig74]

Went cheap. Now can’t admit failure. Not a leader

 

[purduepat1969]

He deserves to be fired. There is no excuse for his performance

However Purdue is not an attractive job. It’s a bottom feeder for NIL. That’s just a fact. That doesn’t make Walters good for anyone who has a reading disorder.

Revenue sharing is not finalized. But it will be. Once that happens Purdues TV deal becomes highly relevant from a roster perspective. Right now it’s only relevant for funding the AD. That immediately makes Purdue more attractive than most jobs outside of the big ten and SEC. Is it more attractive than SMU? probably still a no. But they have big time oil money.

So, would you rather make the hire from a very so so group of coaches? Or would you rather wait a year and make the hire when really good coaches want to be your coach?

All that said, again, in case you have a mental disorder, if they fire him at 11:30 I’ll be fine.

No coach is going to wait a year and hope a Big Ten job is coming open again. Especially for a coach that doesn't have the resume to be hired by Nebraska or Wisconsin.

The Purdue gig is going to be desirable because they already know what's coming. And Purdue has $20MM to $40MM more reasons why it's going to be better than an ACC or Big12 job.