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Why are American liberals opposed to voter ID

SDBoiler1 said:
Just admit it, you add nothing in these discussions. You’re just a perpetually angry liberal - upset that your party is an absolute $hit$how right now, Biden isn’t doing what he said he would do so Progressives are very upset, and 2022 candidates are running away from “the leader of your party” because he is incredibly unpopular and his administration has no clue how to run the country. He is the worst President this country has had since Jimmy Carter.
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LMAO. What's to add, SD? I can't come up with anything dumber than the nonsense you keep posting. Keep up your histrionics, it's quite the look.
 
SDBoiler1 said:
I can’t vote multiple times because of the voter ID requirement in my state. But there are places (mostly liberal) where a government-issued ID isn’t required to vote.

How is it in 2016 that there were precincts in the Detroit area where more votes were counted for D candidates than there were registered voters in those districts? How is that possible? HINT: VOTER FRAUD, anyone?

During the 2020 election, there were cases where people filled out ballots for other people and mailed them in. They were allowed to be counted by liberal state courts. In the aftermath of the 2020 election, there were cases where people admitted under oath to filling out ballots for other people and mailing them in.

How do dead people vote? When voter registries aren’t updated for 10 or 20 years and some (mostly liberal) states sent out ballots to every registered voter regardless of if they asked for one, there were cases where people filled out ballots made out for people who had died and mailed them in or dropped them in voting boxes. This is obvious voter fraud.

Bob, you don’t see or acknowledge this stuff because you don’t want to. And for the record, not all voter fraud was perpetrated by Ds. In NC and other places people were convicted of voter fraud after the 2020 election.
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I don't have to show ID in my precinct in NC.

When I tell them my name, it gets recorded that I voted.

If someone else comes in and says they are me and tries to vote, the officials immediately see that I've already voted. The person that tried to vote for me is asked to show ID and is charged with election fraud.

If they voted as me before I voted, they will ask for my ID when I come into to vote. Once they see who I am and I'm legitimate, the previous vote for me is nullified. Hopefully they can indentify the cheating bastard from video.

The other possibility is Joe knows Bill isn't going to vote so he decides he will vote for him. First of all, is he 100% sure Bill isn't going to vote? What if someone recognizes him when he goes to vote for himself? What if the official knows Bill and immediately catches Joe in the act?

Joe is risking being charged will a felony for voter fraud in NC. Is he going to take that risk for ONE freaking vote? Even if he is an idiot, takes the chance, and gets away with it. How many other people do it too? How many have to do it to actually make a difference?

If you listen closely to election officials, they never say there was no fraud. They say there wasn't fraud significant enough to change the results.

But that doesn't matter to you. It doesn't matter when you throw out these BS possibilities but NEVER say how your "no voter ID" theories actually translate into real election fraud. How does this stuff happen in real life? You won't talk about that. You just throw out a election fraud talking point and call it a day.

And did you really just repeat a trump talking point about Detroit? I mean, seriously? All your accusations about non trumpers that repeat what they're told by the MSM......and you just did the same damn thing. FFS you're unbelievable.

Lol just say it was rigged. Stop farting around with one toe in the water. I could have sworn you said you weren't contesting the election results and yet, here you are, spreading the disinformation as if you were trump himself.
 
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boilerball2021 said:
How has voting with the left for decades worked out for the poor and African American community? Last I checked the left have had the presidency for half of the last two decades.
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Worked out good for me. Obama created thousands of jobs for blacks. As well as Clinton. Blacks lost jobs under Bush the Younger. Therefore your narrative sucks.
 
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BNIBoiler said:
Worked out good for me. Obama created thousands of jobs for blacks. As well as Clinton. Blacks lost jobs under Bush the Younger. Therefore your narrative sucks.
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You must be a huge Trump fan considering AA unemployment rate reached an all time low with him at the helm.

The only reason jobs were lost under Bush was due to the economic crash.
 
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boilerball2021 said:
You must be a huge Trump fan considering AA unemployment rate reached an all time low with him at the helm.

The only reason jobs were lost under Bush was due to the economic crash.
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Chump can thank Obama for handing him a good economy. The unemployment, including black unemployment dropped because of Obama. Continued dropping after Chump was sworn in before he enacted any policies.
 
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BNIBoiler said:
There is nothing wrong with voter integrity. The problem is you right wingers have implemented a solution in search of a problem. The vote fraud rate is only 0.001%. No reason to change laws. The first wave of these laws came after Obama was elected where blacks voted for him in great numbers. Then recently under the lie that the election was stolen another wave of these suppression laws have been changed.
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Do you think that states with stringent voting laws, requiring IDs, have few drop boxes, etc, should take away some of these enhanced measures?

Why or why not?
 
BuilderBob6 said:
I don't have to show ID in my precinct in NC.

When I tell them my name, it gets recorded that I voted.

If someone else comes in and says they are me and tries to vote, the officials immediately see that I've already voted. The person that tried to vote for me is asked to show ID and is charged with election fraud.

If they voted as me before I voted, they will ask for my ID when I come into to vote. Once they see who I am and I'm legitimate, the previous vote for me is nullified. Hopefully they can indentify the cheating bastard from video.

The other possibility is Joe knows Bill isn't going to vote so he decides he will vote for him. First of all, is he 100% sure Bill isn't going to vote? What if someone recognizes him when he goes to vote for himself? What if the official knows Bill and immediately catches Joe in the act?

Joe is risking being charged will a felony for voter fraud in NC. Is he going to take that risk for ONE freaking vote? Even if he is an idiot, takes the chance, and gets away with it. How many other people do it too? How many have to do it to actually make a difference?

If you listen closely to election officials, they never say there was no fraud. They say there wasn't fraud significant enough to change the results.

But that doesn't matter to you. It doesn't matter when you throw out these BS possibilities but NEVER say how your "no voter ID" theories actually translate into real election fraud. How does this stuff happen in real life? You won't talk about that. You just throw out a election fraud talking point and call it a day.

And did you really just repeat a trump talking point about Detroit? I mean, seriously? All your accusations about non trumpers that repeat what they're told by the MSM......and you just did the same damn thing. FFS you're unbelievable.

Lol just say it was rigged. Stop farting around with one toe in the water. I could have sworn you said you weren't contesting the election results and yet, here you are, spreading the disinformation as if you were trump himself.
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Eff off, Bob, with your false indignation. I’ve said repeatedly that Trump should quit whining about the 2020. If he can’t prove the election was stolen in a court of law, shut the hell up about it and move on. He never will until he’s gone.

In 2016 in Detroit - that was not a Trump talking point. That was widely reported in the media. It actually happened.
 
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SDBoiler1 said:
Eff off, Bob, with your false indignation. I’ve said repeatedly that Trump should quit whining about the 2020. If he can’t prove the election was stolen in a court of law, shut the hell up about it and move on. He never will until he’s gone.

In 2016 in Detroit - that was not a Trump talking point. That was widely reported in the media. It actually happened.
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So.......you're going to avoid this again. How does all this election fraud happen when there's no ID required?

Tell me if I'm missing something. Same thing with dead people. How does someone know a dead person is still on the voter rolls? What if this precinct asks for an ID this year? What if the cheater gets recognized or the official knew the dead guy? How many people are going to risk a felony charge for one vote?

You don't want to talk about it.
 
boilerball2021 said:
It dropped to an all time low (November 2019) after Trump’s policies were in full affect for over a year.
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Perhaps. Again, thanks to Obama where black unemployment was nearly 16% when he took office. When he left, he got it down to 6-7%. The. Continued to drop after that. Obama dropped black unemployment 10%. Under Chump, dropped 3-4%. Do the math. Obama had a greater impact with black unemployment and US unemployment than Chump. It’s not rocket science.
 
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BNIBoiler said:
Perhaps. Again, thanks to Obama where black unemployment was nearly 16% when he took office. When he left, he got it down to 6-7%. The. Continued to drop after that. Obama dropped black unemployment 10%. Under Chump, dropped 3-4%. Do the math. Obama had a greater impact with black unemployment and US unemployment than Chump. It’s not rocket science.
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You not going to acknowledge the rare circumstances that lead to AA unemployment being 16% when he took office?

Also, if you want to have an actual discussion, don't make up numbers. In August 2007 before the crash, AA unemployment rate was at 7.6%. When Obama took office in January 2017, the AA unemployment rate was 12.7% (didn't reach 16.8% until March 2010). When Trump was elected president, the AA Unemployment rate was 7.5%. Trump got it down to 5.4% (Its lowest ever).

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Unemployment Rate - Black or African American

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boilerball2021 said:
You not going to acknowledge the rare circumstances that lead to AA unemployment being 16% when he took office?

Also, if you want to have an actual discussion, don't make up numbers. In August 2007 before the crash, AA unemployment rate was at 7.6%. When Obama took office in January 2017, the AA unemployment rate was 12.7% (didn't reach 16.8% until March 2010). When Trump was elected president, the AA Unemployment rate was 7.5%. Trump got it down to 5.4% (Its lowest ever).

fred.stlouisfed.org

Unemployment Rate - Black or African American

Graph and download economic data for Unemployment Rate - Black or African American (LNS14000006) from Jan 1972 to Jan 2023 about African-American, 16 years +, household survey, unemployment, rate, and USA.
fred.stlouisfed.org
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How about you enlighten us on the circumstances that lead to the 16.7% black unemployment rate.

Do the math, using your numbers, 9.3% drop in black unemployment by Obama is a whole lot better movement than 2.1% drop under Chump. Plus the fact of a train wreck economy that Obama inherited from Bush the Younger. Obama was able to lower the unemployment rate for everyone. Chump inherited a good economy that Obama fixed.

As the unemployment rate was dropping under Obama, right wingers on Faux News and conservative talk radio kept saying the low numbers was due folks not actively seeking employment anymore. Then Chump was got in office with the dropping rates and the same right wingers weren’t saying that crap anymore.
 
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BNIBoiler said:
How about you enlighten us on the circumstances that lead to the 16.7% black unemployment rate.

Do the math, using your numbers, 9.3% drop in black unemployment by Obama is a whole lot better movement than 2.1% drop under Chump. Plus the fact of a train wreck economy that Obama inherited from Bush the Younger. Obama was able to lower the unemployment rate for everyone. Chump inherited a good economy that Obama fixed.

As the unemployment rate was dropping under Obama, right wingers on Faux News and conservative talk radio kept saying the low numbers was due folks not actively seeking employment anymore. Then Chump was got in office with the dropping rates and the same right wingers weren’t saying that crap anymore.
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You’ll have to stop blaming Fox News for your problems someday. Things must be dire in Bidenville.
 
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BNIBoiler said:
How about you enlighten us on the circumstances that lead to the 16.7% black unemployment rate.

Do the math, using your numbers, 9.3% drop in black unemployment by Obama is a whole lot better movement than 2.1% drop under Chump. Plus the fact of a train wreck economy that Obama inherited from Bush the Younger. Obama was able to lower the unemployment rate for everyone. Chump inherited a good economy that Obama fixed.

As the unemployment rate was dropping under Obama, right wingers on Faux News and conservative talk radio kept saying the low numbers was due folks not actively seeking employment anymore. Then Chump was got in office with the dropping rates and the same right wingers weren’t saying that crap anymore.
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Are you being dishonest with your numbers on purpose, or do you just not understand? Either way I'm happy to correct you.

When Obama took office the AA Unemployment Rate was 12.7%. When Trump took office the unemployment rate was 7.5% Now this is where math gets hard, so I will help you the best I can:

12.7% - 7.5% = 5.2%

There I did the math for you. Obama did not drop the AA Unemployment rate 9.3%. He dropped it 5.2%. In fact all Obama did was get it back to where Bush had it in August 2007. Anyone with a pulse could have turned it around given the circumstances.


WAIT!!! Are you suggesting that media is biased depending on who is in office? WOW!!!!! I never would have thought about it like that!!! It's almost like how the left wing media doesn't talk about how more Americans died from COVID under Biden than Trump. I distinctly remember every single COVID death being the presidents fault... well at least until January 2021.
 
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Chop HO said:
The Justice Dept is suing AZ and other states over voter ID laws.


I have many friends in France, a socialist country, and they can’t understand any argument for not requiring proof of citizenship.

I could find no other comparable countries which don’t require some form of voter ID be presented for every new election.

voter ID and election integrity measures are widely accepted globally.

Why is the American Democratic Party so opposed to voter identification?
What alternative is there for proving you are who you say you are?
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No voter ID and mass mail in voting are two areas that makes it easy to cheat. It's that simple. Before any of the resident Dems come on here and say something stupid, the Dem party has a history of voter fraud in elections. Mayor Daily in Chicago is one that comes to mind. Another in Pennsylvania (not current election) but can't remember the details.

There literally is no other explanation, but they try to claim racism which is hilarious because their people eat that shit up with ZERO evidence.
 
BNIBoiler said:
Yo man, don't shoot the messenger. If you don't want to believe me that is on you. I'm telling you, these folks in the major cities for various reasons do not have an ID mostly because they take public transportation. These folks voted overwhelmingly for Obama in 2008. They voted like this for decades. No fraud was reported nationwide. Knowing that a lot of blacks without ID's voted for Obama in 2008, astute republican strategists suggested to the repub-controlled states to require ID's to vote. Republican lawmakers have publically admitted this. I think this strategy kinda backfired as black churches and urban radio encouraged these folks to get their IDs. Therefore, I don't think IDs are an issue anymore, or at least not like it used to be as blacks overwhelmingly voted for Biden in 2020. The main issue now as far as voter suppression that under the guise that the 2020 election was stolen are the new wave of law changes like I said about repubs restricting voting on Sundays, restricting absentee, restricting early voting, restricting mail in voting etc. These new laws are not just aimed at blacks. They are also aimed at democrats who also have a pattern of voting this way that the repub strategists have exploited. All this when there is absolutely NO evidence of widespread fraud in any elections.
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Nobody believes you because you're full of shit. You need to get better information because the info you get should be lit on fire and thrown into a dumpster.
 
BNIBoiler said:
You guys don't get the point. There is no widespread fraud. Of billions of votes cast over decades, the fraud rate is less than 0.0001. Therefore, there is no need to change voting laws. The ONLY reason the repub lawmakers change these laws is to try to suppress the vote.

The dems aren't fighting IDs by themselves. The IDs are part of my aforementioned list of other restrictions like mail in, absentee, drop boxes etc. You guys are fixated on IDs, which again were initially targeted to people of color.
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Bullshit. You're basically saying that because something hasn't been found, that it absolutely doesn't exist. Gotta look for it to find it. True the Vote found a whole lot of it.
 
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tearsforfears said:
Why do people chain themselves to narratives and refuse to let go? It’s so odd.
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They don't want to believe they support the evil group. It's hilarious because the Democrats have always been the evil party. ALWAYS! They have never been the party for good. They can pretend really well, but they lie steal and cheat every chance they get (if they aren't committing genocide or starting the KKK or Jim Crow laws, OH or starting a Civil War!).
 
BuilderBob6 said:
So.......you're going to avoid this again. How does all this election fraud happen when there's no ID required?

Tell me if I'm missing something. Same thing with dead people. How does someone know a dead person is still on the voter rolls? What if this precinct asks for an ID this year? What if the cheater gets recognized or the official knew the dead guy? How many people are going to risk a felony charge for one vote?

You don't want to talk about it.
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Here you go. It's free. You might learn something (although I'm not going to hold my breath since you guys are so tightly holding on to the media narrative).
 
Boilermaker03 said:
Thanks for showing how much you're not able to critically think. Oh well, I guess you have to actually look at what the other side is saying to be able to critically think, so you're screwed.
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Oh I think your life on Fantasy Island, where everything is a conspiracy, is a real trip. That’s what I think.

And LOL at you telling anyone else to think critically. 😂😂😂😂
 
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Boilermaker03 said:
Good lord dude, you're an imbecile...
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Why you guys have to call me names? We are having a discussion and I say something that you don’t agree with and then the name calling starts like clock work. The past 5 years I’ve been called an imbecile, boy, unintelligent, dumbass just to name a few. All because I don’t jive with y’all’s right wing crap. All I did was tout Obama’s policies that he lowered the employment rate and I get called an imbecile.
 
BNIBoiler said:
Why you guys have to call me names? We are having a discussion and I say something that you don’t agree with and then the name calling starts like clock work. The past 5 years I’ve been called an imbecile, boy, unintelligent, dumbass just to name a few. All because I don’t jive with y’all’s right wing crap. All I did was tout Obama’s policies that he lowered the employment rate and I get called an imbecile.
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Coming from the guy who calls any right leaning AA “Gumbo and Sambo”. Stfu.
 
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boilerball2021 said:
Coming from the guy who calls any right leaning AA “Gumbo and Sambo”. Stfu.
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Shhh. We can’t say that anymore. The mods will delete your post. I now call them black traitors. Not all black conservatives are black traitors. The percentage is small. Anyhow, I was talking calling fellow posters names.
 
BNIBoiler said:
Why you guys have to call me names? We are having a discussion and I say something that you don’t agree with and then the name calling starts like clock work. The past 5 years I’ve been called an imbecile, boy, unintelligent, dumbass just to name a few. All because I don’t jive with y’all’s right wing crap. All I did was tout Obama’s policies that he lowered the employment rate and I get called an imbecile.
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Because we have proven the shit you post wrong so many times and you refuse to learn. Sorry. It is what it is.
 
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BNIBoiler said:
Worked out good for me. Obama created thousands of jobs for blacks. As well as Clinton. Blacks lost jobs under Bush the Younger. Therefore your narrative sucks.
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You didn't have a job before Obama?
Do you think people gain or lose jobs based on skin color?
 
BuilderBob6 said:
I don't have to show ID in my precinct in NC.

When I tell them my name, it gets recorded that I voted.

If someone else comes in and says they are me and tries to vote, the officials immediately see that I've already voted. The person that tried to vote for me is asked to show ID and is charged with election fraud.

If they voted as me before I voted, they will ask for my ID when I come into to vote. Once they see who I am and I'm legitimate, the previous vote for me is nullified. Hopefully they can indentify the cheating bastard from video.

The other possibility is Joe knows Bill isn't going to vote so he decides he will vote for him. First of all, is he 100% sure Bill isn't going to vote? What if someone recognizes him when he goes to vote for himself? What if the official knows Bill and immediately catches Joe in the act?

Joe is risking being charged will a felony for voter fraud in NC. Is he going to take that risk for ONE freaking vote? Even if he is an idiot, takes the chance, and gets away with it. How many other people do it too? How many have to do it to actually make a difference?

If you listen closely to election officials, they never say there was no fraud. They say there wasn't fraud significant enough to change the results.

But that doesn't matter to you. It doesn't matter when you throw out these BS possibilities but NEVER say how your "no voter ID" theories actually translate into real election fraud. How does this stuff happen in real life? You won't talk about that. You just throw out a election fraud talking point and call it a day.

And did you really just repeat a trump talking point about Detroit? I mean, seriously? All your accusations about non trumpers that repeat what they're told by the MSM......and you just did the same damn thing. FFS you're unbelievable.

Lol just say it was rigged. Stop farting around with one toe in the water. I could have sworn you said you weren't contesting the election results and yet, here you are, spreading the disinformation as if you were trump himself.
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Let's assume there's no significant issue with voter fraud like you claim. Then why not just make voter IDs a requirement so we never have to go thru another election fraud claim from either party moving forward? It would solve the problem of what occurred with Trump and Jan 6th. Wouldn't that be worth it?
 
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purduepat1969 said:
Let's assume there's no significant issue with voter fraud like you claim. Then why not just make voter IDs a requirement so we never have to go thru another election fraud claim from either party moving forward? It would solve the problem of what occurred with Trump and Jan 6th. Wouldn't that be worth it?
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Or maybe republicans just stop lying about voter fraud? Novel thought for this bunch, I know.
 
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