Why are American liberals opposed to voter ID

[Chop HO]

The Justice Dept is suing AZ and other states over voter ID laws.


I have many friends in France, a socialist country, and they can’t understand any argument for not requiring proof of citizenship.

I could find no other comparable countries which don’t require some form of voter ID be presented for every new election.

voter ID and election integrity measures are widely accepted globally.

Why is the American Democratic Party so opposed to voter identification?
What alternative is there for proving you are who you say you are?

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

The Justice Dept is suing AZ and other states over voter ID laws.


I have many friends in France, a socialist country, and they can’t understand any argument for not requiring proof of citizenship.

I could find no other comparable countries which don’t require some form of voter ID be presented for every new election.

voter ID and election integrity measures are widely accepted globally.

Why is the American Democratic Party so opposed to voter identification?
What alternative is there for proving you are who you say you are?

I've got family & friends whom are Dems. They don't complain about it one bit. I simply believe the hierarchy of Dems need something to bitch about at every turn. Just my $.02

 

[Robinahood]

Makes it harder to cheat

 

[bonefish1]

Because MSNBC and CNN told them that blacks can't figure out how to get an ID, therefore, it's racist.

 

[threeeputtt]

Yup, they are assuming minorities are either too dumb or lazy to get an ID. Something one needs to drive with, buy booze, enter a courthouse, board a plane. The majority of countries require a photo ID!

 

[jrcrist]

VotEr sUpPreSsIoN 🥴🥴

 

[Boiler Buck]

The Justice Dept is suing AZ and other states over voter ID laws.


I have many friends in France, a socialist country, and they can’t understand any argument for not requiring proof of citizenship.

I could find no other comparable countries which don’t require some form of voter ID be presented for every new election.

voter ID and election integrity measures are widely accepted globally.

Why is the American Democratic Party so opposed to voter identification?
What alternative is there for proving you are who you say you are?

They say it disenfranchises the poor & lower middle class. LOL 🤣

When the logical mind tells you its really about allowing cheating via noneligible voters.....illegally voting.

Keep in mind those are the same lower middle class & poor....the Biden inflation and energy prices are absolutely burying economically. Guess the Dems only worry about them when its time to get their vote.

I'm just glad 5-10% of them are finally waking up to the poor Dem policies. Nothing like an empty pocketbook, that was full 2 years ago..... to wake one up.

 

[BNIBoiler]

The Justice Dept is suing AZ and other states over voter ID laws.


I have many friends in France, a socialist country, and they can’t understand any argument for not requiring proof of citizenship.

I could find no other comparable countries which don’t require some form of voter ID be presented for every new election.

voter ID and election integrity measures are widely accepted globally.

Why is the American Democratic Party so opposed to voter identification?
What alternative is there for proving you are who you say you are?

I’ve explained this over and over. It is not just about voter ID. It is about the timing of when the 1st wave of these laws started and it was in 2009 after Obama was elected. Prior to that the repubs had no problems with ID.

You guys keep harping on voter ID but again it is not just about ID. Most people have ID and can vote. However, there are a population of folks that do not have ID. To name a few, some blacks in the large cities that take public transportation do not have ID. In addition, the elderly who have been voting for decades do not have ID or a birth certificate anymore to get an ID.

What the repub strategists found out is that blacks as well as the Dems enjoy voting absentee, drop boxes, mail in, etc. Blacks in particular enjoy voting on Sundays and called it “Souls to the Polls. The repubs in over 40 states have restricted all that in order to suppress, make it harder to vote.

These laws are clearly attempt to make suppress democratic votes. Whether they will work will remain to be seen. But it is definitely and attempt. A repub strategy.

 

[TheGunner]

I’ve explained this over and over. It is not just about voter ID. It is about the timing of when the 1st wave of these laws started and it was in 2009 after Obama was elected. Prior to that the repubs had no problems with ID.

You guys keep harping on voter ID but again it is not just about ID. Most people have ID and can vote. However, there are a population of folks that do not have ID. To name a few, some blacks in the large cities that take public transportation do not have ID. In addition, the elderly who have been voting for decades do not have ID or a birth certificate anymore to get an ID.

What the repub strategists found out is that blacks as well as the Dems enjoy voting absentee, drop boxes, mail in, etc. Blacks in particular enjoy voting on Sundays and called it “Souls to the Polls. The repubs in over 40 states have restricted all that in order to suppress, make it harder to vote.

These laws are clearly attempt to make suppress democratic votes. Whether they will work will remain to be seen. But it is definitely and attempt. A repub strategy.

Why doesn’t President 🤡 just issue a government ID to every eligible voter three months prior to the next election?

If you don’t have an ID, have the government issue one….problem solved…versus skirting the idea?

The Obvious Voting-Rights Solution That No Democrat Will Propose

The answer to one of the most vexing debates in American politics is an idea that everyone hates.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[tearsforfears]

I’ve explained this over and over. It is not just about voter ID. It is about the timing of when the 1st wave of these laws started and it was in 2009 after Obama was elected. Prior to that the repubs had no problems with ID.

You guys keep harping on voter ID but again it is not just about ID. Most people have ID and can vote. However, there are a population of folks that do not have ID. To name a few, some blacks in the large cities that take public transportation do not have ID. In addition, the elderly who have been voting for decades do not have ID or a birth certificate anymore to get an ID.

What the repub strategists found out is that blacks as well as the Dems enjoy voting absentee, drop boxes, mail in, etc. Blacks in particular enjoy voting on Sundays and called it “Souls to the Polls. The repubs in over 40 states have restricted all that in order to suppress, make it harder to vote.

These laws are clearly attempt to make suppress democratic votes. Whether they will work will remain to be seen. But it is definitely and attempt. A repub strategy.

Yeah, you’re dehydrated due to the limited food and water supplies in Bidenville. It’s getting to your head.

 

[Chris P Bacon]

These laws are clearly attempt to make suppress democratic votes. Whether they will work will remain to be seen. But it is definitely and attempt. A repub strategy.

So asking for an ID you already have to buy booze, cash a check, get cigarettes, buy a gun or just get in to a place like Disney is oppressing? I knew you were gullible and stupid, but I didn't realize you were THIS gullible and stupid.

But I get it. You're a liberal so you will say anything to deter from having fair and accurate elections.

And not asking for a ID is racist.

 

[TheGunner]

So asking for an ID you already have to buy booze, cash a check, get cigarettes, buy a gun or just get in to a place like Disney is oppressing? I knew you were gullible and stupid, but I didn't realize you were THIS gullible and stupid.

But I get it. You're a liberal so you will say anything to deter from having fair and accurate elections.

And not asking for a ID is racist.

This 🤡 administration should make sure that every eligible voters has an ID and, thus, has access to all of those things that require an ID

 

[SDBoiler1]

This 🤡 administration should make sure that every eligible voters has an ID and, thus, has access to all of those things that require an ID

That means 🤡 administration actually would be capable of having an erudite, original thought. This administration is one of the dumbest I’ve ever seen.

 

[Chris P Bacon]

This 🤡 administration should make sure that every eligible voters has an ID and, thus, has access to all of those things that require an ID

You are 110% correct. I believe India requires every citizen to have an ID to vote and if that country can do it, we certainly can.

There is no legit excuse to NOT require an ID. It doesn't suppress ANY votes other than those that shouldn't be counted in the first place.

 

[Indy_Rider]

But they were completely for having to show vaccination status before people could eat.

 

[Chris P Bacon]

But they were completely for having to show vaccination status before people could eat.

Or board a plane, or go to Disney. And that requirement alone nukes any argument there is against voter ID.

 

[bonefish1]

I’ve explained this over and over. It is not just about voter ID. It is about the timing of when the 1st wave of these laws started and it was in 2009 after Obama was elected. Prior to that the repubs had no problems with ID.

You guys keep harping on voter ID but again it is not just about ID. Most people have ID and can vote. However, there are a population of folks that do not have ID. To name a few, some blacks in the large cities that take public transportation do not have ID. In addition, the elderly who have been voting for decades do not have ID or a birth certificate anymore to get an ID.

What the repub strategists found out is that blacks as well as the Dems enjoy voting absentee, drop boxes, mail in, etc. Blacks in particular enjoy voting on Sundays and called it “Souls to the Polls. The repubs in over 40 states have restricted all that in order to suppress, make it harder to vote.

These laws are clearly attempt to make suppress democratic votes. Whether they will work will remain to be seen. But it is definitely and attempt. A repub strategy.

This is a serious question:
Do poor blacks (and poor whites who live in the country or wherever) need and ID to:
1) get social security
2) get a welfare check
3) be treated by a Dr or hospital?
4) pick up a subscription

I'm trying to think of all the things poor or urban blacks (and whites. Remember, blacks don't have a monopoly on poverty. There's more poor whites than blacks) need an ID to do on a daily basis, and your contention is that they can't get one in order to vote every 4 years?

 

[bonefish1]

You are 110% correct. I believe India requires every citizen to have an ID to vote and if that country can do it, we certainly can.

There is no legit excuse to NOT require an ID. It doesn't suppress ANY votes other than those that shouldn't be counted in the first place.

If I'm not mistaken (and I could be, but I doubt it), there's some very liberal states in the NE that have pretty stringent voter ID requirements. Way more stringent than the proposals for GA that the lefty libs got their panties in a wad about (and MLB was made to look a fool about for being blackmailed).

 

[Indy_Rider]

If I'm not mistaken (and I could be, but I doubt it), there's some very liberal states in the NE that have pretty stringent voter ID requirements. Way more stringent than the proposals for GA that the lefty libs got their panties in a wad about (and MLB was made to look a fool about for being blackmailed).

Colorado has more restrictive laws than GA, that is what MLB moving the all-star game there a real joke.

 

[BNIBoiler]

So asking for an ID you already have to buy booze, cash a check, get cigarettes, buy a gun or just get in to a place like Disney is oppressing? I knew you were gullible and stupid, but I didn't realize you were THIS gullible and stupid.

But I get it. You're a liberal so you will say anything to deter from having fair and accurate elections.

And not asking for a ID is racist.

Yo man, don't shoot the messenger. If you don't want to believe me that is on you. I'm telling you, these folks in the major cities for various reasons do not have an ID mostly because they take public transportation. These folks voted overwhelmingly for Obama in 2008. They voted like this for decades. No fraud was reported nationwide. Knowing that a lot of blacks without ID's voted for Obama in 2008, astute republican strategists suggested to the repub-controlled states to require ID's to vote. Republican lawmakers have publically admitted this. I think this strategy kinda backfired as black churches and urban radio encouraged these folks to get their IDs. Therefore, I don't think IDs are an issue anymore, or at least not like it used to be as blacks overwhelmingly voted for Biden in 2020. The main issue now as far as voter suppression that under the guise that the 2020 election was stolen are the new wave of law changes like I said about repubs restricting voting on Sundays, restricting absentee, restricting early voting, restricting mail in voting etc. These new laws are not just aimed at blacks. They are also aimed at democrats who also have a pattern of voting this way that the repub strategists have exploited. All this when there is absolutely NO evidence of widespread fraud in any elections.

 

[Chris P Bacon]

Yo man, don't shoot the messenger. If you don't want to believe me that is on you. I'm telling you, these folks in the major cities for various reasons do not have an ID mostly because they take public transportation.

They have an ID. They have to have one to do very minor things so thinking they don't is just being naïve. They have to have an ID to use Welfare for crying outloud.

So just stop with the nonsense on the ID thing, you have zero ground to stand on.

The rest of your post is just more debunked liberal narrative so no reason to re-hash it.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Yo man, don't shoot the messenger. If you don't want to believe me that is on you. I'm telling you, these folks in the major cities for various reasons do not have an ID mostly because they take public transportation. These folks voted overwhelmingly for Obama in 2008. They voted like this for decades. No fraud was reported nationwide. Knowing that a lot of blacks without ID's voted for Obama in 2008, astute republican strategists suggested to the repub-controlled states to require ID's to vote. Republican lawmakers have publically admitted this. I think this strategy kinda backfired as black churches and urban radio encouraged these folks to get their IDs. Therefore, I don't think IDs are an issue anymore, or at least not like it used to be as blacks overwhelmingly voted for Biden in 2020. The main issue now as far as voter suppression that under the guise that the 2020 election was stolen are the new wave of law changes like I said about repubs restricting voting on Sundays, restricting absentee, restricting early voting, restricting mail in voting etc. These new laws are not just aimed at blacks. They are also aimed at democrats who also have a pattern of voting this way that the repub strategists have exploited. All this when there is absolutely NO evidence of widespread fraud in any elections.

If the ability to get IDs is not an issue anymore, why do Ds continually fight to keep IDs being required to vote? People need IDs to buy alcohol, cigarettes, weed, guns, ammunition, drive cars, fly anywhere, usually to get medical care, etc., etc.

What it tells me is that Ds really don’t care about election integrity. They like weak election laws because it allows for more election fraud. Ballot harvesting. People voting for other people. People voting multiple times in the same election……

 

[SDBoiler1]

If the ability to get IDs is not an issue anymore, why do Ds continually fight to keep IDs being required to vote? People need IDs to buy alcohol, cigarettes, weed, guns, ammunition, drive cars, fly anywhere, usually to get medical care, etc., etc.

What it tells me is that Ds really don’t care about election integrity. They like weak election laws because it allows for more election fraud. Ballot harvesting. People voting for other people. People voting multiple times in the same election……

PF1,

What’s so funny about what I said? Please explain the D logic of continually fighting voter ID laws……

 

[BuilderBob6]

If the ability to get IDs is not an issue anymore, why do Ds continually fight to keep IDs being required to vote? People need IDs to buy alcohol, cigarettes, weed, guns, ammunition, drive cars, fly anywhere, usually to get medical care, etc., etc.

What it tells me is that Ds really don’t care about election integrity. They like weak election laws because it allows for more election fraud. Ballot harvesting. People voting for other people. People voting multiple times in the same election……

Which rarely happens as was proven after the last election. Doesn't matter to you. Just keep repeating it.

I've asked this 10 times and no one ever answers.

How does someone vote multiple times? You're an older guy, you've voted many times. When they check you off the list when you vote, how do you get to vote again? How do you vote for someone else? How do dead people vote? Explain how those things are actually accomplished rather than throw out misinformation.

 

[PurdueFan1]

PF1,

What’s so funny about what I said? Please explain the D logic of continually fighting voter ID laws……

Oh I was laughing at what a clown you've become with your takes. A complete parody of yourself. That's all. Should have used the sad face emoji.

Other than that, nothing further to add. Someone who states what you just did about elections when you know damn well none of that stuff happens isn't to be taken seriously. Carry on, SD.

 

[BNIBoiler]

If the ability to get IDs is not an issue anymore, why do Ds continually fight to keep IDs being required to vote? People need IDs to buy alcohol, cigarettes, weed, guns, ammunition, drive cars, fly anywhere, usually to get medical care, etc., etc.

What it tells me is that Ds really don’t care about election integrity. They like weak election laws because it allows for more election fraud. Ballot harvesting. People voting for other people. People voting multiple times in the same election……

You guys don't get the point. There is no widespread fraud. Of billions of votes cast over decades, the fraud rate is less than 0.0001. Therefore, there is no need to change voting laws. The ONLY reason the repub lawmakers change these laws is to try to suppress the vote.

The dems aren't fighting IDs by themselves. The IDs are part of my aforementioned list of other restrictions like mail in, absentee, drop boxes etc. You guys are fixated on IDs, which again were initially targeted to people of color.

 

[Chris P Bacon]

You guys don't get the point. There is no widespread fraud. Of billions of votes cast over decades, the fraud rate is less than 0.0001. Therefore, there is no need to change voting laws. The ONLY reason the repub lawmakers change these laws is to try to suppress the vote.

The dems aren't fighting IDs by themselves. The IDs are part of my aforementioned list of other restrictions like mail in, absentee, drop boxes etc. You guys are fixated on IDs, which again were initially targeted to people of color.

2000 mules and this site proves everything you said here false. But go ahead and keep barfing up the CNN narrative.

Only a fool thinks that requiring an ID is meant to suppress people of color. It's hilarious you think that still when it is just so out of touch.

But we get it, you don't want election integrity but after November when the left takes a beating, I am willing to bet you will be one of the first leftists on here clamoring for it.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Oh I was laughing at what a clown you've become with your takes. A complete parody of yourself. That's all. Should have used the sad face emoji.

Other than that, nothing further to add. Someone who states what you just did about elections when you know damn well none of that stuff happens isn't to be taken seriously. Carry on, SD.

Just admit it, you add nothing in these discussions. You’re just a perpetually angry liberal - upset that your party is an absolute $hit$how right now, Biden isn’t doing what he said he would do so Progressives are very upset, and 2022 candidates are running away from “the leader of your party” because he is incredibly unpopular and his administration has no clue how to run the country. He is the worst President this country has had since Jimmy Carter.

 

[Chris P Bacon]

You guys don't get the point. There is no widespread fraud. Of billions of votes cast over decades, the fraud rate is less than 0.0001. Therefore, there is no need to change voting laws. The ONLY reason the repub lawmakers change these laws is to try to suppress the vote.

The dems aren't fighting IDs by themselves. The IDs are part of my aforementioned list of other restrictions like mail in, absentee, drop boxes etc. You guys are fixated on IDs, which again were initially targeted to people of color.

Whoops.. more narrative busting material for you: https://www.tampafp.com/democrats-continue-to-lose-support-among-minority-voters/

 

[tearsforfears]

Whoops.. more narrative busting material for you: https://www.tampafp.com/democrats-continue-to-lose-support-among-minority-voters/

Why do people chain themselves to narratives and refuse to let go? It’s so odd.

 

[tearsforfears]

Oh I was laughing at what a clown you've become with your takes. A complete parody of yourself. That's all. Should have used the sad face emoji.

Other than that, nothing further to add. Someone who states what you just did about elections when you know damn well none of that stuff happens isn't to be taken seriously. Carry on, SD.

You had a good run away from this place. The last time you were here you were threatening me. Welcome back! This place needs another emotionally unwell person. Bob needs a friend.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Which rarely happens as was proven after the last election. Doesn't matter to you. Just keep repeating it.

I've asked this 10 times and no one ever answers.

How does someone vote multiple times? You're an older guy, you've voted many times. When they check you off the list when you vote, how do you get to vote again? How do you vote for someone else? How do dead people vote? Explain how those things are actually accomplished rather than throw out misinformation.

I can’t vote multiple times because of the voter ID requirement in my state. But there are places (mostly liberal) where a government-issued ID isn’t required to vote.

How is it in 2016 that there were precincts in the Detroit area where more votes were counted for D candidates than there were registered voters in those districts? How is that possible? HINT: VOTER FRAUD, anyone?

During the 2020 election, there were cases where people filled out ballots for other people and mailed them in. They were allowed to be counted by liberal state courts. In the aftermath of the 2020 election, there were cases where people admitted under oath to filling out ballots for other people and mailing them in.

How do dead people vote? When voter registries aren’t updated for 10 or 20 years and some (mostly liberal) states sent out ballots to every registered voter regardless of if they asked for one, there were cases where people filled out ballots made out for people who had died and mailed them in or dropped them in voting boxes. This is obvious voter fraud.

Bob, you don’t see or acknowledge this stuff because you don’t want to. And for the record, not all voter fraud was perpetrated by Ds. In NC and other places people were convicted of voter fraud after the 2020 election.

 

[bonefish1]

You guys don't get the point. There is no widespread fraud. Of billions of votes cast over decades, the fraud rate is less than 0.0001. Therefore, there is no need to change voting laws. The ONLY reason the repub lawmakers change these laws is to try to suppress the vote.

The dems aren't fighting IDs by themselves. The IDs are part of my aforementioned list of other restrictions like mail in, absentee, drop boxes etc. You guys are fixated on IDs, which again were initially targeted to people of color.

what's wrong with enhancing voter integrity?
Wouldn't you want there to be every reasonable safeguard in place to protect this privilege and prevent any possibility of wrong doing?

Rules and regulations for things change all the time. You can whine about them or you can adapt and conform.

As I've said many times, if voting is important (not easy, but important), then people will find a way to comply with the laws.

 

[Chop HO]

The best solution is probably biometric voter registration but would be even more controversial

 

[BNIBoiler]

Why do people chain themselves to narratives and refuse to let go? It’s so odd.

Uh Yeah, like the 2020 election was stolen?

 

[BNIBoiler]

what's wrong with enhancing voter integrity?
Wouldn't you want there to be every reasonable safeguard in place to protect this privilege and prevent any possibility of wrong doing?

Rules and regulations for things change all the time. You can whine about them or you can adapt and conform.

As I've said many times, if voting is important (not easy, but important), then people will find a way to comply with the laws.

There is nothing wrong with voter integrity. The problem is you right wingers have implemented a solution in search of a problem. The vote fraud rate is only 0.001%. No reason to change laws. The first wave of these laws came after Obama was elected where blacks voted for him in great numbers. Then recently under the lie that the election was stolen another wave of these suppression laws have been changed.

 

[Hausta01]

I’ve explained this over and over. It is not just about voter ID. It is about the timing of when the 1st wave of these laws started and it was in 2009 after Obama was elected. Prior to that the repubs had no problems with ID.

You guys keep harping on voter ID but again it is not just about ID. Most people have ID and can vote. However, there are a population of folks that do not have ID. To name a few, some blacks in the large cities that take public transportation do not have ID. In addition, the elderly who have been voting for decades do not have ID or a birth certificate anymore to get an ID.

What the repub strategists found out is that blacks as well as the Dems enjoy voting absentee, drop boxes, mail in, etc. Blacks in particular enjoy voting on Sundays and called it “Souls to the Polls. The repubs in over 40 states have restricted all that in order to suppress, make it harder to vote.

These laws are clearly attempt to make suppress democratic votes. Whether they will work will remain to be seen. But it is definitely and attempt. A repub strategy.

Like the Georgia bill that "supressed" the black vote so much that the latest election had record turnouts?

 

[Hausta01]

There is nothing wrong with voter integrity. The problem is you right wingers have implemented a solution in search of a problem. The vote fraud rate is only 0.001%. No reason to change laws. The first wave of these laws came after Obama was elected where blacks voted for him in great numbers. Then recently under the lie that the election was stolen another wave of these suppression laws have been changed.

Hard to prove fraud when no ID is required.

 

[tearsforfears]

Uh Yeah, like the 2020 election was stolen?

You can thank democrats for starting that trend. They were the OGs for claiming elections were stolen. 10 minutes worth of video over decades of Dems eroding our confidence in elections.

 

[boilerball2021]

Yo man, don't shoot the messenger. If you don't want to believe me that is on you. I'm telling you, these folks in the major cities for various reasons do not have an ID mostly because they take public transportation. These folks voted overwhelmingly for Obama in 2008. They voted like this for decades. No fraud was reported nationwide. Knowing that a lot of blacks without ID's voted for Obama in 2008, astute republican strategists suggested to the repub-controlled states to require ID's to vote. Republican lawmakers have publically admitted this. I think this strategy kinda backfired as black churches and urban radio encouraged these folks to get their IDs. Therefore, I don't think IDs are an issue anymore, or at least not like it used to be as blacks overwhelmingly voted for Biden in 2020. The main issue now as far as voter suppression that under the guise that the 2020 election was stolen are the new wave of law changes like I said about repubs restricting voting on Sundays, restricting absentee, restricting early voting, restricting mail in voting etc. These new laws are not just aimed at blacks. They are also aimed at democrats who also have a pattern of voting this way that the repub strategists have exploited. All this when there is absolutely NO evidence of widespread fraud in any elections.

How has voting with the left for decades worked out for the poor and African American community? Last I checked the left have had the presidency for half of the last two decades.