W/ Flecht and Lance missing so many shots.......

[BoilerDeac]

He played more today than his YTD average, so I really doubt anyone on their board is questioning his PT. That's why I couldn't figure out why you were using him as an example when people were talking about Colvin and his playing time.

I personally have given up any hope that Colvin is going to give us anything this year. So I really don't wring my hands about his lack of playing time. CMP has obviously decided he can't contribute, so my only concern about Colvin is him still being here next year.

The problem for most PU fans is we are not used to getting highly ranked recruits like Colvin. So when we do and they don't contribute right away, there is anger and worry. If CMP continues to get higher ranked recruits, there won't be as much concern when one of them isn't a rotation guy right away.

What do you mean Purdue fans aren’t used to getting highly-ranked recruits? You act like Purdue is Minnesota or something.

All the top 100ish guys (according to Rivals) I can think of are below:

2007
JaJuan Johnson -- 42
E’Twaun Moore -- 35
Robbie Hummel -- 75
Scott Martin -- 76

2008
n/a

2009
DJ Byrd -- 102

2010
Terone Johnson -- 51
Anthony Johnson -- 101

2011
n/a

2012
Ronnie Johnson -- 94
Rapheal Davis -- 96
AJ Hammons -- 77

2013
Bryson Scott -- 74
Kendall Stephens -- 61

2014
Isaac Haas -- 71

2015
Caleb Swanigan -- 19

2016
Carsen Edwards -- 91

2017
Nojel Eastern -- 77

2018
Eric Hunter -- 121 (4 star recruit)
Trevion Williams -- 128 (4 star recruit)

2019
Brandon Newman -- 85

2020
Ethan Morton - 88
Jaden Ivey -- 79

2021
Trey Kaufman-Renn -- 42
Caleb Furst -- 55

And this doesn't include Heide, Loyer, Colvin or Catchings.

 

[tjreese]

I wanted Colvin to get a lot more minutes earlier this year. It didn't happen and as far as I can see isn't going to happen. Obviously CMP doesn't think he's a rotation guy this year and that is the way it is. As I stated before, my only concern now is that he will be gone next year and we'll never see what he could do here. I will happy to be wrong. That is the portal era we live in and just need to get used to it.

I really think a lot of the hand wringing (mine included) is because we don't get too many highly ranked recruits like him and so when they don't immediately have an impact we worry. If CMP's recruiting continues to improve and we get more highly ranked guys I think a lot of that worry goes away. I doubt that Kansas fans get too worried when a 4* doesn't produce his freshman year because they already have other 4* in the lineup and in the pipeline coming to them. Same for Duke and Kentucky. We just aren't in that situation yet.

If something were to happen I'm not sure it would be this year. The family has a LOT of love for Purdue. Never saw a nonverbal cue on Rosie during any game and of course he probably knows the camera will pan on him at some point. It isn't that he isn't getting minute on a team, but that he isn't getting minutes on what may be the best team in the country and he has improved with his D on the ball. The transition from being the team to being on a team...a REALLY good team has been tough no doubt.

 

[Dryfly88]

What do you mean Purdue fans aren’t used to getting highly-ranked recruits? You act like Purdue is Minnesota or something.

All the top 100 guys I can think of are below:

JaJuan
E’Twaun
Robbie
Scott Martin
Terone Johnson
Hammons
Haas
Vince Edwards
Kendall Stephens
Carsen
Ivey
Furst
Morton
TKR
Colvin
Catchings

Fair enough, if you think we are in the same group as the schools I listed that's fine. I'm pretty sure we get more excited about a 4* than the schools I listed but maybe I'm wrong. CMP has been here what 19 years and you listed 16 guys in top 100, so less than 1 per year and that is top 100. How many have we gotten that are top 50 or 75? Pretty sure we look at those recruits differently than the schools I listed.

 

[Dryfly88]

If something were to happen I'm not sure it would be this year. The family has a LOT of love for Purdue. Never saw a nonverbal cue on Rosie during any game and of course he probably knows the camera will pan on him at some point. It isn't that he isn't getting minute on a team, but that he isn't getting minutes on what may be the best team in the country and he has improved with his D on the ball. The transition from being the team to being on a team...a REALLY good team has been tough no doubt.

As stated, I will be happy to be wrong.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

As stated, I will be happy to be wrong.

What top 15 team is Colvin seeing significant minutes on?

 

[northside100]

Fair enough, if you think we are in the same group as the schools I listed that's fine. I'm pretty sure we get more excited about a 4* than the schools I listed but maybe I'm wrong. CMP has been here what 19 years and you listed 16 guys in top 100, so less than 1 per year and that is top 100. How many have we gotten that are top 50 or 75? Pretty sure we look at those recruits differently than the schools I listed.

In fairness to you, MP hyped Myles as a top 30 recruit and the best player in the state (ahead of #11 ranked Booker from MSU), which is not something he frequently does.

I thought your points were pretty spot on. Physically and from and individual offense perspective, Myles is a top 15 type guy, which is supported by his spot and pt with USA Basketball. Purdue doesn't often land that type of player.

This is a particularly tough year to find pt at the 2/3 at Purdue and I think it was pretty well known, including by Myles and his family, that his HS and AAU experience would leave him with a steep learning curve. I would imagine that he's frustrated with his playing time. Hopefully the fact that MP is very upfront with all recruits and doesn't make any promises along with Myles' family relationship to Purdue and a clear path to a much larger role next season keep Myles engaged and brings him back.

 

[Riveting-]

Starters need reps in games like this. Colvin is the 10th man in the rotation. I’m not sure why people don’t see that he just isn’t going to get playing time in close games.

In a game like this against a better team, we are going to need someone who can come in and hit 3-pointers. That is what sunk us in March.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

In a game like this against a better team, we are going to need someone who can come in and hit 3-pointers. That is what sunk us in March.

And Colvin has proven he can come in cold off the bench and do that.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

And Colvin has proven he can come in cold off the bench and do that.

I love Myles and everything he brings but here’s the last 2 months of shooting the 3:

3/3
1/3
0/4
2/6
1/1
0/4
0/1
2/6

9/28 or 32%…

What better teams are we playing that are similar to Rutgers style?

Or just in general…we have played a lot of the top 15-20…UK, KU, UConn, Baylor and OU are teams that are ones that would make me nervous but all of them play up tempo and we have shown we can do that and didn’t need Myles. Don’t get me wrong, I wish we could find a spot in the rotation, but those teams I just mentioned also have to adjust to that big guy we have in the middle.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I love Myles and everything he brings but here’s the last 2 months of shooting the 3:

3/3
1/3
0/4
2/6
1/1
0/4
0/1
2/6

9/28 or 32%…

What better teams are we playing that are similar to Rutgers style?

Or just in general…we have played a lot of the top 15-20…UK, KU, UConn, Baylor and OU are teams that are ones that would make me nervous but all of them play up tempo and we have shown we can do that and didn’t need Myles. Don’t get me wrong, I wish we could find a spot in the rotation, but those teams I just mentioned also have to adjust to that big guy we have in the middle.

Sorry - My point wasn’t that we need to play him.

It’s that we DON’T need to play him, and can still run him out there at a moments notice to fire up triples if needed. Like against Michigan.

He’s shooting 43% from 3 for the season. And 41% in the last 5 games. Just depends on how you pick the dataset…

 

[jdbrees922]

Throw those stars about his 3s away . It is hit and miss when you only play occasionally, you need a consistent sample size to evaluate Colvin. And we are not going to get that so let’s put it to rest. I do believe that in the tournament we will need a bigger and consistent guard to come off the bench to score when the east go cold and we won’t have one

 

[jdbrees922]

Meant throw the stats away cause of inconsistent minutes and when the rest go cold ( Loyer and Jones ) we won’t have anyone. We will live and die with who Painter likes

 

[tjreese]

Meant throw the stats away cause of inconsistent minutes and when the rest go cold ( Loyer and Jones ) we won’t have anyone. We will live and die with who Painter likes

you are always going to live or die with what a coach likes and generally that is quite different than what a fan or invested fan likes or wants. Purdue can score so many ways it couldn't the last two years they aren't comparable at all IMO. I'm also not afraid of Braden and Mason added to your list for the three ball...and Myles is capable of shooting as well. Four to five shooters are HUGE on any team let alone one with Zach. I wouldn't include Trey although his very low attempts have been successful and so he might knock one down in a given game.

 

[Dryfly88]

What top 15 team is Colvin seeing significant minutes on?

I think maybe you've misunderstood my position:

I'm not trying to justify anything for Myles and his playing time. I think he should have played more earlier in the season, but that is water under the bridge. It is obvious that he isn't part of the rotation. CMP doesn't believe he is ready for that and I accept that completely. What I said was my only worry is that he isn't here next year. The portal/NIL has made it so easy for guys to move. Even if it isn't a good move for a player that doesn't mean they don't move! These are young people that can make bad decisions. I'm hopeful that doesn't happen, but I won't be surprised if it does.

 

[BoilerAndy]

I do think he didn’t pick up the intricacies of the team D and to a certain extent some offense as quickly as was hoped and that lead to him being the odd man out when rotation was cut to 9. The coaches deal with the players all season and are going to make decisions on what puts the best lineups together to effectively run their stuff and create the best chances to win. We all have our ideas and favorites but we’re at a disadvantage when questioning decisions with less information to base them on.

I'm not sure that the coaching staff has a goal of a 9-man rotation. It likely happens organically. The number of players in the roatation is determined by their productivity in practice and games. If Colvin was showing that "he gets it" in practice, he would be playing more.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I think maybe you've misunderstood my position:

I'm not trying to justify anything for Myles and his playing time. I think he should have played more earlier in the season, but that is water under the bridge. It is obvious that he isn't part of the rotation. CMP doesn't believe he is ready for that and I accept that completely. What I said was my only worry is that he isn't here next year. The portal/NIL has made it so easy for guys to move. Even if it isn't a good move for a player that doesn't mean they don't move! These are young people that can make bad decisions. I'm hopeful that doesn't happen, but I won't be surprised if it does.

I think his family ties to Purdue will keep him around for at least another year. Don’t worry!

 

[BoilerAndy]

In fairness to you, MP hyped Myles as a top 30 recruit and the best player in the state (ahead of #11 ranked Booker from MSU), which is not something he frequently does.

I thought your points were pretty spot on. Physically and from and individual offense perspective, Myles is a top 15 type guy, which is supported by his spot and pt with USA Basketball. Purdue doesn't often land that type of player.

This is a particularly tough year to find pt at the 2/3 at Purdue and I think it was pretty well known, including by Myles and his family, that his HS and AAU experience would leave him with a steep learning curve. I would imagine that he's frustrated with his playing time. Hopefully the fact that MP is very upfront with all recruits and doesn't make any promises along with Myles' family relationship to Purdue and a clear path to a much larger role next season keep Myles engaged and brings him back.

With the recruits coming in, I'm not sure he has that clear path. I hope that knowing the competition coming in will light a fire under him. If the talent is equal, he should have the advantage of understanding the system and practicing against veteransg on a national top 5 team.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Meant throw the stats away cause of inconsistent minutes and when the rest go cold ( Loyer and Jones ) we won’t have anyone. We will live and die with who Painter likes

I have to ask the question again. Did you really want to put Colvin in for Jones?

 

[PaBoiler78]

I think his family ties to Purdue will keep him around for at least another year. Don’t worry!

after watching Iowa the last couple of weeks, w/ their lack of athletes and defense, he'd prolly be on the first team freshman of the year in BIG10

 

[proudopete]

In a game like this against a better team, we are going to need someone who can come in and hit 3-pointers. That is what sunk us in March.

We have plenty of players who can make a three. Colvin isn’t ready to be the savior yet.

Like I said. The starters need as many reps as possible to become more efficient, especially in games like this where the opponents defense is creating chaos and shots aren’t falling.

Our savior in the tourney is going to be one of the top 8 players not number 10.

 

[Riveting-]

We have plenty of players who can make a three. Colvin isn’t ready to be the savior yet.

Like I said. The starters need as many reps as possible to become more efficient, especially in games like this where the opponents defense is creating chaos and shots aren’t falling.

Our savior in the tourney is going to be one of the top 8 players not number 10.

In a game where everyone else is throwing up bricks, why not try him? Now is a good time to do it, during these pre-tournament games.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

after watching Iowa the last couple of weeks, w/ their lack of athletes and defense, he'd prolly be on the first team freshman of the year in BIG10

But…then he’d have to be in Iowa. Yeesh.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

In a game where everyone else is throwing up bricks, why not try him? Now is a good time to do it, during these pre-tournament games.

If it leads to a loss and continuing the streak of not winning at Rutgers since 2018, you still good with it? What if it gets Fletch out of rhythm and then he just stinks down the stretch?

 

[proudopete]

In a game where everyone else is throwing up bricks, why not try him? Now is a good time to do it, during these pre-tournament games.

You tell me who you would rather get the experience? Fletch who is killing it from long range and who even when he’s not is still a threat or Colvin who may or may not even see the floor in the tournament?
You have to remember that we are shooting for a team that is as efficient as possible and the other starters know what Fletch is gonna do whereas Colvin is an unknown and is weak in the team defensive scheme.
Paint is probably going to shrink the minutes even more in the next 10 games so our core is well tested and all on the same page.

 

[Riveting-]

You tell me who you would rather get the experience? Fletch who is killing it from long range and who even when he’s not is still a threat or Colvin who may or may not even see the floor in the tournament?
You have to remember that we are shooting for a team that is as efficient as possible and the other starters know what Fletch is gonna do whereas Colvin is an unknown and is weak in the team defensive scheme.
Paint is probably going to shrink the minutes even more in the next 10 games so our core is well tested and all on the same page.

It is not either or. Fletch has a lot of experience already. Some minutes for a new guy we could need to call on because of injuries makes sense at this point in the season.

 

[jdbrees922]

No to replacing Jones , I don’t believe Colvin is ready for big minutes especially in tight games. I believe he needs to play some when we have big leads and not just in garbage time . The Michigan game would have been perfect for first half playing time. Jones is playing awesome and the big difference in this years team

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

In a game like this against a better team, we are going to need someone who can come in and hit 3-pointers. That is what sunk us in March.

Against a better team? Who have we been playing? Little Sisters of the Poor?

 

[Gman544]

And Colvin has proven he can come in cold off the bench and do that.

really? Except for garbage time against Michigan, last ten games were not great.

 

[Gman544]

Sorry - My point wasn’t that we need to play him.

It’s that we DON’T need to play him, and can still run him out there at a moments notice to fire up triples if needed. Like against Michigan.

He’s shooting 43% from 3 for the season. And 41% in the last 5 games. Just depends on how you pick the dataset…

That was garbage time against a bad defensive team. Teams have scouted him now and know his handles and driving ability so far in D-1 aren’t there and he is hunting threes.

 

[Riveting-]

Against a better team? Who have we been playing? Little Sisters of the Poor?

I am thinking ahead to the ncaa tournament, where we will be playing much better teams than Rut.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

really? Except for garbage time against Michigan, last ten games were not great.

He’s 43% for the year and 41% in his last 5 games from 3.

Not saying he will necessarily hit threes when he comes in, but he has done it multiple times this year.

 

[Gman544]

He’s 43% for the year and 41% in his last 5 games from 3.

Not saying he will necessarily hit threes when he comes in, but he has done it multiple times this year.

That includes the garbage time buckets against Michigan, the 10 games before that 25%. I think there were games he could get in, but Rutgers with their pressure, their clawing, fouling beat you up stuff was not the game. Plus good teams know he has no game in D-1 but shooting right now and unless it’s garbage game they will make it harder then early in the season.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I am thinking ahead to the ncaa tournament, where we will be playing much better teams than Rut.

What about better teams than Arizona, Tennessee, Alabama, Marquette, or Illinois?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

That includes the garbage time buckets against Michigan, the 10 games before that 25%. I think there were games he could get in, but Rutgers with their pressure, their clawing, fouling beat you up stuff was not the game. Plus good teams know he has no game in D-1 but shooting right now and unless it’s garbage game they will make it harder then early in the season.

We can all pick out different data sets to back up our contentions. He’s shooting 43% from 3 for the season, all of them coming off the bench.

And my argument isn’t that Colvin should be playing.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

I am thinking ahead to the ncaa tournament, where we will be playing much better teams than Rut.

not sure what your 'much better" means. I'd say "not really".

 

[Riveting-]

What about better teams than Arizona, Tennessee, Alabama, Marquette, or Illinois?

Those are the types of teams I am thinking of. They will not be the same teams in March that they were in Nov - nor will we.

Not to mention teams that are hot that come out of nowhere - like SDSU and Florida Atlantic last year (not to mention FDU).

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Those are the types of teams I am thinking of. They will not be the same teams in March that they were in Nov - nor will we.

Not to mention teams that are hot that come out of nowhere - like SDSU and Florida Atlantic last year (not to mention FDU).

So will we not be able to beat those teams in March now? What if on the flip side, we play Colvin and he loses a game in March for us that we would have won had we sat him?

 

[Gemini95]

So will we not be able to beat those teams in March now?

As the old saying goes - 44th time's a charm.

 

[Riveting-]

So will we not be able to beat those teams in March now? What if on the flip side, we play Colvin and he loses a game in March for us that we would have won had we sat him?

Then we might say, 'sure wish Colvin had played more in the conference season when the games didn't matter so much, so he would have been ready for this one".

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Then we might say, 'sure wish Colvin had played more in the conference season when the games didn't matter so much, so he would have been ready for this one".

Lolol.