He’s a every game part of their rotation and the few games I’ve seen he hustled and plays pretty well with his teammates
W/ Flecht and Lance missing so many shots.......
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I will if I get time to go over there. BTW, went to Butler yesterday and talked a bit with Ron Ebert (Pharmacist about you hunting with him and Mount and he mentioned a guy by the name of Dan Bagland (sp?) and didn't know if you knew of a Dan Bagland?
and so it makes you wonder why he was saved for last? Pikiell obviously thought his usage was not the best for this game, but then as the hour glass was running out of sand he was a bit featured. I don't know, because I have NO fundamental opinion on his play
Nope - I don't remember a lot about then. Just that they came up a few times.
He played 19 minutes today. What are you talking about saving for last? Not sure what point you're trying to make bringing him up? I'm not into Rutgers basketball but I'm guessing their fan base is fine with the freshman getting 19 minutes.
So if Colvin comes in, in a perfect world he hits 3 3s and we push the lead by almost 10. However, the flip side is, he gets the ball and shoots when he’s not supposed to because he tends to just shoot it whenever he gets it (I love the mentality but he’s not the focal point of the offense, Zach is). What if the offense then stalls and we don’t get a good shot.
While Loyer wasn’t great in defense, what if colvins guy scores or blows by him and draws a foul on edey and gets him into foul trouble and we lose? Would you be ok with the loss because we played Colvin?
It’s basketball, no player (well a select few), are able to string together consistent 12 point nights every night while shooting 53% from 3. If you’ve ever played bball, you know there are off nights where you’re not shooting it well (lance today) and you gotta find another way to win. Also, Loyer is still a threat to drain a 3 at 53% even if he’s not hitting. He missed a lot of shots he usually hits and ya know what? If we had to shoot a last second 3, I want him, jones or B shooting it.
Purdue/teams don’t play perfect every game. But guess what? We got the win for the first time at Rutgers since 2018. That place sucks to play at. It’s a shit arena. There’s going to be a time where this team has to overcome a poor shooting night or performance and still figure out how to win. And they did it today. Last year, we would have lost.
Heide is a freakin baller but he looked off today too. He shit a three from the left side and almost banked in the 3….he did not mean to do that…his shot was just off. Colvin maybe could have done well for us but what if it went the other way and we lose? Would that have been fine if it meant Colvin got playing time?
I didn't think he played that much. Can't pick up anything on him from Rutgers other than one poster mentioned D "as usual" is what I think he said. I guess I just recall his streak in such a short time frame I wasn't actually watching him apparently in other times. No their fan base is like all fan bases...Pikiell needs to do this or that. Edey walks, 3 seconds, gets continuation calls, travels and gets favorable treatment. Help is on is on the way. Hope the recruits liked the game and their team is elite on D and so forth. Pikiell always starts out slow. The listed things they didn't like, but can't recall if they listed why those things happened they didn't like other than the refs liking Purdue since they are ranked.
Well played. I can’t believe this actually got any attention.
I take that back, yes I can.
He played more today than his YTD average, so I really doubt anyone on their board is questioning his PT. That's why I couldn't figure out why you were using him as an example when people were talking about Colvin and his playing time.
I personally have given up any hope that Colvin is going to give us anything this year. So I really don't wring my hands about his lack of playing time. CMP has obviously decided he can't contribute, so my only concern about Colvin is him still being here next year.
The problem for most PU fans is we are not used to getting highly ranked recruits like Colvin. So when we do and they don't contribute right away, there is anger and worry. If CMP continues to get higher ranked recruits, there won't be as much concern when one of them isn't a rotation guy right away.
Painter doesn’t bench players for missing good shots that they should be taking. I think that this is the right approach.
Loyer has been outstanding this year and always has to be accounted for by the defense. Even when he is not scoring, he knows how to play his role in the offense at a very high level. His D is better than he gets credit for as well. At times he struggles with matchups, but he knows what he is doing and plays good team defense. No way do you bench him in a game like this. The offense/defense with Morton made sense, but he needs to be on the court if he is fresh.
Loyer has been outstanding this year and always has to be accounted for by the defense. Even when he is not scoring, he knows how to play his role in the offense at a very high level. His D is better than he gets credit for as well. At times he struggles with matchups, but he knows what he is doing and plays good team defense. No way do you bench him in a game like this. The offense/defense with Morton made sense, but he needs to be on the court if he is fresh.
I don't agree that Matt thinks he can't contribute. I think Matt just thinks his contributions when limiting the liabilities is mostly spot shooting. I think he has improved his D on the ball, but can still improve his concentration away from the ball. I thought the help and recover D when Ethan first came it was outstanding. Purdue runs a LOT of timing plays and is pretty quick in doing so. Myles plays a bit slower. I'm bullish on him, but unsure when it all comes together for him.
I personally think he will be better and get more minutes to get some wrinkles out next year. One question that nobody asks is whether other players find him easier or harder to play with OR if it makes any difference at all? I don't know the answer to that, but it wouldn't be unusual to happen and a coach can't let it happen unfounded. I don't know that he won't find minutes in the next game or the game after. I know one thing if the clock was running out and everybody was REALLY struggling to score and it was a last possession and I thought he wouldn't lose the ball I would have no trouble calling an ISO for him to dribble as much as he wants to get to where he wanted.
I'd be fine with Colvin getting minutes over heide at times...but people are wanting him to play over productive players like loyer and Morton....which is crazy....
Well TJ, unless we can figure out a way for him to just play on offense, then I stand by my statement. He is not going to contribute this year. There is no way CMP puts him into the situation you describe. He sits the whole game and then he puts him in for a last second shot? No way. He would run a play for one of the rotation guys even if they were having a bad day and I wouldn't blame him for doing that. Either you're a rotation guy, or you're not. He isn't this year.
You may very easily be correct, but I'm holding out until the end.
Matt has used him for spot shooting early on the baseline and the Michigan game he was passing and catching and moving on the court. I too doubt that Purdue would ever have everyone struggling, but if that were to happen him going one on one without any effect on the team or by the team is how he played in high school and like he did early in the year instantly hitting a 3 ball off the bench I think he could score in that scenario, but that scenario will not happen. I don't think he lacks confidence in his shot should he be in an ISO situation as he has shown the ability to not be shy about how many shots in takes in how long he is on the court. That will not happen because Purdue is too good scoring the ball and Matt likes floor balance and really never clears the court for a drive.The first two years Mason was only used as a spot shooter on offense, but found minutes due to his physical presence while giving 100%. It was just towards the end of his second year that we could see that he was working on pulling off a couple of dribbles and shooting and then last year curling off screens to try to take advantage of his shooting, but he never shot as well moving. Today, he was really impressive with his three ball in how he was moving as well as his 2 pt. This year he is driving and adding to his game offensively. Anyway, Purdue got that little spark from Newman last year (PSU) and then ended up starting and losing the job again. I'm still holding out to the end that he helps some down the road and finds a few minutes AND I know that the bench typically shortens as I type that.
Yeah, never saw anyone calling for him to play more or less. Wasn't mentioned in the cursory view I took and have no idea their thoughts on him...apparently they are satisfied with his minutes
I believe All of this worrying about Colvin is mainly fear based. I think if people are honest they want him, the 10th man in rotation, to get playing time because they are afraid he will be frustrated and hit the portal next year. Hell I have that worry in the back of my head too. I do think he didn’t pick up the intricacies of the team D and to a certain extent some offense as quickly as was hoped and that lead to him being the odd man out when rotation was cut to 9. The coaches deal with the players all season and are going to make decisions on what puts the best lineups together to effectively run their stuff and create the best chances to win. We all have our ideas and favorites but we’re at a disadvantage when questioning decisions with less information to base them on.
Maybe you should apply to be an assistant coach. Oh wait, there isn't any space left on the staff because we have one of the best programs in the nation.
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I hope he gets minutes in a game that isn't close to get a run and to do successfully enough things to be considered a bit more. However, Matt is also trying to knock off some rough edges and get this team better every game. We see concerns on D and I see some concerns on O, but I'm holding out hoping that the light goes on and he plays well in everything. If not, he will see minutes next year. I don't think the portal will happen. He has a sister at Purdue and his family has been Purdue all his life...very much so. I'm sure this is a bit of a let down, but I suspect that Rosie has seen before the struggle to succeed until it happens. That struggle makes it all the more sweet. I thought he would be better at Purdue than Jaden and I still hold that thought knowing the last chapter hasn't been written...
I agree it’s fear, but it’s fear of failure in the tournament. We have been missing athleticism and quickness and we all think he COULD bring that and we want to have him as an option. I love the kid and think he will be great and hope he can play well if his number is called whenever it may be this year.
But tbh, we are ranked number 2 and all the metrics rank us very high and we have a great team with one for sure AA and another potential AA. We are humming along and if ANY game seems like we may lose or we do lose…the sky is falling and we obviously HAVE to change something…but in the end We all are just scared that a collapse happens again in the tourney (and I’m sure the players have that lingering too but I think they’re better equipped this year to get passed that noise).
Did he mean that Trey played with Mason today? Has that happened earlier this year?
I would have assumed vs Illinois at least. I was just shocked to see Furst only get 2 minutes but it seemed Rutgers was hitting the boards hard and Furst may have not been playing as hard as usual? I dunno just speculating.
Colvin Is a poor defender. He has not shown good handles, the fouling , scratching, bumping defense of Rutgers would not have gone well for him. He has not been able to show much of that great athleticism he had in high school as of yet and this was not the game to try. He has not been shooting well. The ten games before the Michigan game he shot 20% from three. Even with the three for three shooting in garbage time vs Michigan that would be 34% in the last 11. He does not really participate in the offense, he mostly hunts shots. He doesn’t have experience passing into the post, and trying to do it while Zach is being swarmed/ fouled while he is being bumped would be hard on him. He will have his time, but it’s tough to break in at this point. I do wish he had played more against the lesser teams.
Loyer's gotta be the only guy in the country shooting 44% from 3 whose fans want him benched when he starts 0/2. Then you've got Jones averaging 17 over his last 6 games.
I"ll admit that the thought of Myles crossed my mind when Fletch got abused a couple of times. Myles length and athleticism SHOULD let him be a better defender in the end. But in the beginning it's not happening. Yet.
I wanted Colvin to get a lot more minutes earlier this year. It didn't happen and as far as I can see isn't going to happen. Obviously CMP doesn't think he's a rotation guy this year and that is the way it is. As I stated before, my only concern now is that he will be gone next year and we'll never see what he could do here. I will be happy to be wrong. That is the portal era we live in and just need to get used to it.
I really think a lot of the hand wringing (mine included) is because we don't get too many highly ranked recruits like him and so when they don't immediately have an impact we worry. If CMP's recruiting continues to improve and we get more highly ranked guys I think a lot of that worry goes away. I doubt that Kansas fans get too worried when a 4* doesn't produce his freshman year because they already have other 4* in the lineup and in the pipeline coming to them. Same for Duke and Kentucky. We just aren't in that situation yet.
I really think a lot of the hand wringing (mine included) is because we don't get too many highly ranked recruits like him and so when they don't immediately have an impact we worry. If CMP's recruiting continues to improve and we get more highly ranked guys I think a lot of that worry goes away. I doubt that Kansas fans get too worried when a 4* doesn't produce his freshman year because they already have other 4* in the lineup and in the pipeline coming to them. Same for Duke and Kentucky. We just aren't in that situation yet.
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Lol yes TKR has played the 5 a few times this year. I was commenting Furst only got 2 min. But nvm haha
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