Not sure why some of these players are getting playing time.
Time to shorten the rotation….
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Agreed.
Ivey
Williams
Morton
Stefanovic
Gillis
Edey
Newman/IT (sprinkled in as as off-ball guards, depending on who’s hitting)
Hunter shouldn’t see the court.
Ivey
Williams
Morton
Stefanovic
Gillis
Edey
Newman/IT (sprinkled in as as off-ball guards, depending on who’s hitting)
Hunter shouldn’t see the court.
Hunter obviously hasnt put in the time. I figured after his sophmore season he could be an all american, or 2nd big 10 team. Hes gotten way worse. He's not even the same player as 2 years ago.
I agree, but we also look for the post WayTo Much. Put ball in Iveys hands, Coach Gard did with his best player. Trevion didn't get enough minutes tonight, at least he is willing to keep offense moving with a pass. We get too stagnet.
Eric Hunter and Rob Phinisee have equally been disappointing. Hunter does dominate Phin though
tough loss, I despise Wisconsin
Good luck rest of the way
tough loss, I despise Wisconsin
Good luck rest of the way
Problem is that we don't have a single guard that can play defense. Painter thinks it is Morton but that is not working out well. Two league games and two career days for guards. Too many minutes for Sasha he cant defend or rebound.
It's really mindboggling that Hunter can get solid minutes for 4 years and regress
I wouldn't totally cut out Furst yet either (assuming he's still having some injury recovery issues or something)
I was going to post the same earlier, it was like Fool's Gold. Focus on our bigs vs their undersized bigs, didn't work most of the time and the rest of the team was stagnant
Newman needs to get it figured out. We really need him to step up. Unfortunately, I think he has confidence issues. If he doesn't hit his first shot its over for the night.
Hunter gave us nothing tonight. I really like the kid, but his game has really regressed. Maybe sitting the bench a few games will motivate him.
Um, Thompson kept us alive and probably won us a couple games this year.
Painter ball. High winning percentage. Don't go far in post season.
Hunter needs to be glued to the bench. The consistent lazy passes and bad shots are 4-5 wasted possessions a game.
I know this will be highly unpopular, but Ivey needs to spend some time on the bench too. He is routinely lost on defense. The fact that he occasionally finds himself fortuitously in the way of a pass leading to a show stopping dunk does not good defense make. He routinely drives into the paint with zero clue what he is going to do when he gets to the rim leading to lost possessions if the defense does not bail him out with a foul. And, most frustrating for all his preening and posturing when he makes a meaningless dunk, he has all but disappeared at the end of the Rutgers and Wisconsin games. He is going to be a high draft pick based on his athletic gifts, but if he does not raise his game dramatically he is going to be the next guy with a ridiculous ceiling that ends up in the G League 2 years after he is drafted, because he thinks he can survive on being a freak athletically.
I know this will be highly unpopular, but Ivey needs to spend some time on the bench too. He is routinely lost on defense. The fact that he occasionally finds himself fortuitously in the way of a pass leading to a show stopping dunk does not good defense make. He routinely drives into the paint with zero clue what he is going to do when he gets to the rim leading to lost possessions if the defense does not bail him out with a foul. And, most frustrating for all his preening and posturing when he makes a meaningless dunk, he has all but disappeared at the end of the Rutgers and Wisconsin games. He is going to be a high draft pick based on his athletic gifts, but if he does not raise his game dramatically he is going to be the next guy with a ridiculous ceiling that ends up in the G League 2 years after he is drafted, because he thinks he can survive on being a freak athletically.
Agree 100%. Ivey could learn form Davis. Needs a mid range game and needs to learn to play defense.
why does everyone think Sasha still needs to play big minutes, not giving us much and defense is not good?
I'm not sure its about motivation. He's just not very good.
You may be right. Seen him play a lot in high school and he could score a lot. Now it seems like he can’t hit a shot. Hard to figure on what’s happened to him and Hunter.
Davis gets 14 rebounds with Ivey not checking anyone out all night. Again hard to believe a guard gets 14 rebounds. Ivey should have seen the bench a lot more tonight.
A lot of strange and awkward combinations tonight.
I don't know that the issue is the need to shorten it...as, Newman and Furst barely played tonight.
PG is killing Purdue unfortunately, and, as much as I like Morton, the notion that he is a defensive stopper could not be further from the truth.
It was pretty simple tonight...Wisconsin's best players delivered and Purdue's unfortunately did not.
The defensive issues and lapses were expected in that we have gotten accustomed to them...the complete breakdown at the offensive end was very concerning.
A shell of the player he once was...his regression is pretty incredible. I believed there was some mental aspect to it initially, but, he has regressed physically as well. This Senior class has had questions at times during their careers...I think there are questions that remain for each, but, Hunter is the one that has no doubt set Purdue back unfortunately.
Williams is way too willing to pass at this point...he needs to look to score more.
There is no problem at all playing through the post with Edey and Williams, but, those guys have to deliver...Edey misses way too many easy shots, and, both miss way too many FTs, especially given the fact that they are going to get a lot of them.
It was very evident tonight that Purdue really struggles at the offensive end if/when Ivey is not on the floor...more so if Hunter and Morton are both in as well.
I don't even think that is it, or, that it would make a difference.
He is a great/nice kid...no doubt...but, he just is not providing anything at either end at this point, which makes it mindboggling that he is getting the minutes that he has and does.
It is too bad...for him and for Purdue...Purdue really could use him, and, it certainly was reasonable to think that he would be capable of being able to help at both ends...especially the defensive one.
There was a crucial play tonight coming out of a timeout...it seemed to be really clear...REALLY clear...that Painter and staff had said more than once and very clearly and loudly that they would switch a screen on the inbounds...Wisconsin set a screen, Ivey failed to switch, Davis was wise open and Morton ended up committing a horrible foul...all the result of Ivey unfortunately just completely disregarding what had been clearly said multiple times.
It is very clear how talented he is...he makes a huge difference for Purdue for sure, but, your point is very valid...many of the problems Purdue has at the defensive end stem largely from him. He is more than capable of being really good, if not great, defensively, but, he simply does not have the desire necessary for it to happen.
Newman should be getting more minutes, and, should be getting them with Ivey...Sasha was a complete bust in both losses to date...I like him and what he can do in terms of making shots, but, he missed multiple shots tonight (as well as against Rutgers), he is a liability at the defensive end, and, he just makes some really bad post passes that have hurt Purdue a couple of times this year.
He certainly needs to be a part of things and play, but, he is playing way too many minutes based on the lack of production...and, him missing FTs is borderline inexcusable.
hunter and thompson are doing nothing good for the boilers atm. little scoring,no assists and not guarding anyone. tonite they were not the only ones not producing. ivey had a spurt at the start of the second half, but he plays out of control too much of the time. his ball handling skills need a lot of improvement. no one in our back court could sink a shot. unless gillis was tired in the first half, he should have seen more minutes. not much good during this game as we shot poorly from field and the line, didnt defend and turned it over too much. the refs, well, they were awful and i am being kind. if we continue to play like this, we will not be in the ncaa
I think you are a little overboard , with comment about not being in the NCAA.
I think Gillis and Morton bring more to the table than Thompson and Hunter right now.
But I also think this teams ceiling is lower if Hunter isn't playing at all as he's the only one with the physical skills to be a shut down defender. Matt's clearly been trying to get him going all season.
But I also think this teams ceiling is lower if Hunter isn't playing at all as he's the only one with the physical skills to be a shut down defender. Matt's clearly been trying to get him going all season.
Ivey attacks the basket and gets out of control way to much. He will go in when there are 2 or 3 defenders by the basket and he gets lost. Usually turns it over or gets and offensive foul. He makes some good plays but makes way to many bad plays.
One could make the argument that Ivey gets lost on D (especially on switches cutting across the paint) more than anyone else on the team. It is pretty glaring at this point.
This. We lost this game in the paint and not playing through contact. Period.
On the positive side, if we're going to have a slump, I guess now is better than March. Much like a few years ago, this team could still be very dangerous in the tournament because it has a guard capable of exploding (Ivey, like Edwards before him). There's still a long way to go, but we're kind of behind the eight ball now in the Big Ten with a home loss to Wisconsin and a loss to Rutgers.
Also I #$%!ing hate Wisconsin. We owe them some serious retribution for all the bad memories over the years.
Also I #$%!ing hate Wisconsin. We owe them some serious retribution for all the bad memories over the years.
In my view Painter can go one of two ways. He can play guys with higher upside and hope they get back in their grove or play guys who are performing better today but give us a lower ceiling.
IMO its pretty obvious Newman, Furst and Hunter have lost their confidence and are pressing. Shortening their minutes only seems to make the problem worse. This has always been the risk with starting the season with a ten man rotation.
IMO its pretty obvious Newman, Furst and Hunter have lost their confidence and are pressing. Shortening their minutes only seems to make the problem worse. This has always been the risk with starting the season with a ten man rotation.
Furst hasn't really played in 2 games - so disagree on that one.
I do agree Newman and Hunter have lost their confidence. Both of them have/had solid midrange jumpers and wish they would use them when they aren't hitting open 3s. If it was one or the other, I would pick Newman because he has shown that when he gets hot, he can be a force.
As for the other folks, someone said it that Ivey was playing out of control last night. It was obvious they weren't going to let him have one of those electric dunks. He needed to stop trying to make it happen and instead use his speed/driving on the break to find open teammates.
Not hitting the panic button, but I know which 2-3 drawers it is in.
I'm obviously not writing off Furst but In the last 6 games he played, he has averaged 1.7 points and 2.7 rebounds per game in about 16 minutes per game. He's only scored more than 2 points once and has only had more than two rebounds twice.
A far cry from the 10 points and 7 rebounds he averaged the first 7 games. It wasn't only against the cupcakes, as he average 10 and 5 against FSU, NC and Villanova.
Without Furst or TKR, this is essentially the same team as last year that went
18-10. A few of our guys have shown improvement but is it enough to take us from an 18-10 to the Final Four? I don't know but keep in mind both Williams and Ivey were already playing at a high level at the end of last year.
I guess we'll see.
Fair point. He is still a freshman and we need him in the lineup, so I am not for curbing his minutes just yet.
There are going to be a lot of questions after last night, this team needs to figure it out quickly.
My last comment, if Painter fully believes in Morton, he needs to do a different lineup where he is paired with Ivey/Sasha/Newman and tell Hunter to keep their seats warm.
Hunter is flat killing Purdue...he provides absolutely nothing at either end. Matt has indeed tried and tried and tried, but, at this point, it is time to quit trying...or, at least quit forcefully trying...having him on the floor last night for 20 minutes made absolutely no sense at all. It is a Hunter issue at this point...nothing anybody else can do to resolve it, and, he has not been able to resolve it either unfortunately...it truly is mystifying, but, at this point, it is time to just accept it for what it is.
Painter is still trying to find a lineup that works defensively, and, said as much after the game...but, it is just not there unfortunately with this team...this team is going to win games at the offensive end and not at the defensive end. That does not mean that they don't continue to work at/on that obviously, and, if somehow things got better there, it would be a bonus and very much welcomed...but, he needs to have guys that can score on the floor...having guys that can't defend AND can't score is a recipe for exactly what happened last night.
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