Time to shorten the rotation….

[bonefish1]

It all comes down to how physical the game is allowed to get. If they're letting a lot of hand checking and holding happen around the perimeter then almost every guard can be neutralized. LIke DAG said, we've seen many drives by Ivey lead to him on the floor and no call made

The point is, a bunch of things have to happen for a big man to be effective offensively: he as to get low block position (because generally, they’re not creating their own shot), might have to deal with a double team, defense might be denying entry pass, has to get a good entry pass at the right angle, has another big drapped all over him, pushing him off the block, etc etc.

With a dynamic scoring guard, you just give him the ball, create iso and let them go to work. Much more difficult to stop because a ball handling guard has a lot more options.

 

[Level 42]

With a dynamic scoring guard, you just give him the ball, create iso and let them go to work. Much more difficult to stop because a ball handling guard has a lot more options.

Just like Painter does with Ivey. Just because he isn't at the PG spot doesn't mean it isn't happening. But then again, I guarantee Painter has forgotten more about basketball than you or anyone else on here will ever know.

 

[bonefish1]

In fairness, Edey and Williams did combine for 33 points against Wisconsin. The fouling slowed them down, but it didn’t exactly stop them.

Refs are going to let teams be physical against Purdue. Otherwise, you’ll have every big fouled out by halftime. Painter and the players know this and have to adjust accordingly.

 

[bonefish1]

Add Gillis to that list. Works his ass off and makes team that ignore him pay.

Starting to think that Gillis could be an X factor for this team this year.
He has that willingness to do the dirty work, plays with a chip in his shoulder (he’s like an enforcer in hockey) and is providing a nice offensive punch.

 

[bonefish1]

Just like Painter does with Ivey. Just because he isn't at the PG spot doesn't mean it isn't happening. But then again, I guarantee Painter has forgotten more about basketball than you or anyone else on here will ever know.

That’s how Painter should be using Ivey. Our problem is we’re getting zero offensive production from 3 other guards who are getting a lot of minutes.

 

[Level 42]

Our problem is we’re getting zero offensive production from 3 other guards who are getting a lot of minutes.

And we realistically don't need them to be in Painter's system. Which has been good enough to get us to top 10 in the country. So it clearly is working.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

That’s how Painter should be using Ivey. Our problem is we’re getting zero offensive production from 3 other guards who are getting a lot of minutes.

Ivey is the most talented player on the team, but he is not the most efficient high-usage scoring option in the half court. That would be Edey, who is over 70% from the field and draws a ton of fouls. Meanwhile, when Tre is in the game, he is also the top option. He’s harder to deny because he creates his own shots and he creates shots for his teammates, better than most guards. Ivey is a great #2 option in the half court.

The other important point is that Purdue forces great spacing by surrounding their bigs with great shooters.

 

[bonefish1]

And we realistically don't need them to be in Painter's system. Which has been good enough to get us to top 10 in the country. So it clearly is working.

So, what's their role in the offense then? Just to pass the ball around the perimeter and shoot the occasional open 3?
You absolutely need everyone on the floor to be a threat to score.

 

[bonefish1]

Ivey is the most talented player on the team, but he is not the most efficient high-usage scoring option in the half court. That would be Edey, who is over 70% from the field and draws a ton of fouls. Meanwhile, when Tre is in the game, he is also the top option. He’s harder to deny because he creates his own shots and he creates shots for his teammates, better than most guards. Ivey is a great #2 option in the half court.

The other important point is that Purdue forces great spacing by surrounding their bigs with great shooters.

Except we only have 1 great shooter in SS. Gillis is proving to be a better 3pt shooter than IT, EH or Morton.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Except we only have 1 great shooter in SS. Gillis is proving to be a better 3pt shooter than IT, EH or Morton.

Spin all you want, but Purdue is shooting 41% from 3 on the season.

 

[Level 42]

Spin all you want, but Purdue is shooting 41% from 3 on the season.

And we're getting solid scoring really in positions 5, 4, 3 and 2. There are also only so many possessions in a game and those are going to our stars as it should. The PG in Painter's system has always been a facilitator first with scoring being second. I mean if even I can see it, it stuns me that others don't.

Imagine what this board would be like if we took possessions away from Ivey/Tre/Zach and even Sasha to a degree to have the PG score more. It would go in to meltdown mode.

We are a top 10 team with a good chance at a deep run in the tourney. We lost because of lack of effort, not an issue at the PG spot. Period.

 

[bonefish1]

And we're getting solid scoring really in positions 5, 4, 3 and 2. There are also only so many possessions in a game and those are going to our stars as it should. The PG in Painter's system has always been a facilitator first with scoring being second. I mean if even I can see it, it stuns me that others don't.

Imagine what this board would be like if we took possessions away from Ivey/Tre/Zach and even Sasha to a degree to have the PG score more. It would go in to meltdown mode.

We are a top 10 team with a good chance at a deep run in the tourney. We lost because of lack of effort, not an issue at the PG spot. Period.

That was the problem with Keady teams and has usually been the problem with Painter teams: Guards who can't score.

We saw what our offense looked like with Ivey on the bench during the WI game. It wasn't pretty.

But, our PGs are even facilitators. They don't do anything to get other players a better look. Morton to some extent but IT and EH are actually hurting the offense.

 

[Level 42]

IT and EH are actually hurting the offense.

Except they aren't. But again, if you have the answers call in to Painter's show and tell him.

You're basically creating a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

That was the problem with Keady teams and has usually been the problem with Painter teams: Guards who can't score.

We saw what our offense looked like with Ivey on the bench during the WI game. It wasn't pretty.

But, our PGs are even facilitators. They don't do anything to get other players a better look. Morton to some extent but IT and EH are actually hurting the offense.

I think Morton’s size isn’t being utilized to its fullest extent. He needs to take more open looks and sets run for him. First, smaller defender he can take off the dribble and get to the rim. Second, get him switched on their smallest guard and bully him in the low post. He should be getting 8 pts a game.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

That was the problem with Keady teams and has usually been the problem with Painter teams: Guards who can't score.

We saw what our offense looked like with Ivey on the bench during the WI game. It wasn't pretty.

But, our PGs are even facilitators. They don't do anything to get other players a better look. Morton to some extent but IT and EH are actually hurting the offense.

In the first half of the Wisconsin game, the offense wasn’t pretty when Jaden was in the game, either. When he went out midway through the first half, Purdue had scored 11 points.

For the most part, Purdue has done fine this season when Ivey has been out of the game. He’s a great player and you want him in the game as much as possible, but it isn’t like Purdue has some unique fatal flaw, particularly on offense.

 

[BBG]

Except they aren't. But again, if you have the answers call in to Painter's show and tell him.

You're basically creating a problem that doesn't exist.

Sort of agree with your last line here. We have the top offense in the country and top three point shooting offense too I think.

We have two losses because of effort IMO. We need to come ready to play all game every game andbwyebwe don't, we lose

But you're wasting your time with Lenny .Even though it's been proven, he will never admit he is wrong and just move the goalposts. He's been doing it for years and isn't gonna change now.

 

[mathboy]

Ah, the search goes on for the "scapegoat". The one single Purdue player, who if pulled/replaced/run over by a bull dozer would make the whole team play at a national championship level. If only we had got a better player out of the wonderful mysterious transfer portal which is just overflowing with great players just waiting for a chance to shine!

Sometimes I just have to laugh at the wonderful posts I see on here.

 

[bonefish1]

I think Morton’s size isn’t being utilized to its fullest extent. He needs to take more open looks and sets run for him. First, smaller defender he can take off the dribble and get to the rim. Second, get him switched on their smallest guard and bully him in the low post. He should be getting 8 pts a game.

Been saying all year Morton needs to be more aggressive on O. He can do more than both IT and EH.

 

[Purdue85]

Been saying all year Morton needs to be more aggressive on O. He can do more than both IT and EH.

"...can do more..."

Everybody "can do more". Not the best to elevate one player to crap on others.

 

[Do Dah Day]

It just seems like Painter doesn't believe Morton is the answer as the primary ball handler. Morton is doing some really nice things on the floor but I haven't seen him bring the ball up the court more than once or twice the whole year. Makes me wonder if he truly can play that role. I know he played the point in high school but there aren't a lot of 6'6" guys playing the point in the B10.

If he was having any kind of success in practice doing it, I would think we would at least seen a little bit of it by now given the struggles that Hunter has had and IT's inconsistency.

THIS!

 

[Do Dah Day]

I do not think Matt wants to shorten the rotation. I believe he thinks the rotation is capable of producing wins with the full rotation. I think he believes the difference between winning and losing with a long rotation is on the defensive side of the ball and probably considers "focus", "connected", and "playing hard" something they all can do...and do well enough to win and probably thinks the less minutes each player has the more likely that opportunity on D.

We as fans also want a longer rotation. (I'm not disagreeing with being better with fewer equality of minutes might immediately improve.) The reason we fans want a longer rotation is that it provides for better competition in practice and better legs later in the season "WHEN" the rotation does get shortened at some time. The last thing Purdue fans should want is Purdue peaking early. We need struggles....wins, but struggles. You want to win, but you want players hungry and competitive and "IF" you can win while playing 10 at THIS point in time...you want that. Course, you have to win...but if you shorten the rotation and don't win it is even worse.

I think Purdue can and should win and "hope" for the next two months it does so with a longer bench and then "turn them loose" to make a run in the Big Tourney and NCAA...but you have to win before turning them loose...

Wisdom!

 

[rezzerfly]

Coach Hindsight wins everytime!!!!!!

 

[ChoiceBeef]

I liked the contribution Newman had off the bench. Felt like the rotation of supporting players helped him get into a rhythm and flow.

 

[TX4GB]

I liked the contribution Newman had off the bench. Felt like the rotation of supporting players helped him get into a rhythm and flow.

They had Newman and Sasha together at one point. Missed who the other guard was.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

They had Newman and Sasha together at one point. Missed who the other guard was.

Didn’t watch fully so not sure either. Outside of his one bobble turnover - he looked focused. Got his hands dirty a few times.

 

[BBG]

Didn’t watch fully so not sure either. Outside of his one bobble turnover - he looked focused. Got his hands dirty a few times.

Newman looked fired up and it was good to see.