The B10 commissioners son plays in the SEC?
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Have I missed something?
How do you know that?
As recent as Friday, Sporting News was still reporting it was unclear if the Chancellors and Presidents actually voted on the issue.
To be clear, I don't think there's any reason to tie Kevin Warren's actions to his son. I'm simply pointing out, who voted on what, and who decided what, that's all conjecture right now.
And where's the reporting that Warren made a decision completely on his own? Which is the only other option.
From the Big Ten: "The vote by the Big Ten Council of Presidents and Chancellors (COP/C) was overwhelmingly in support of postponing fall sports and will not be revisited."
A lot of it is PR speak - you can define "vote" in a myriad of ways.
The flip side is, if there wasn't a vote - these people are basically inferring Warren made a decision on his own that wasn't in-line with most of the other schools? There's been 0 reporting that is remotely the case.
At the end of the day, just because someone may not like the decision doesn't mean it didn't happen. We know it wasn't unanimous, but it was significant in support to postpone.
The Big Ten is not some conspiracy organization - no one's conspiracy mongering the Pac 12's decision.
At the end of the day, whether there was a formal, informal, etc. vote - there's no dispute that almost all of the Big Ten presidents, including Mitch, were supportive of postponing the season.
I've never argued Warren made a decision on his own. I'm not sure why you're advancing that narrative.
B1G ADs and coaches don't know where the decision came from. The sports media following this debacle have no idea who made the decision, and what the "votes" were.
You don't need to try to paint this conversation as some "conspiracy mongering" ... unless you have an agenda.
"At the end of the day"... nobody (outside of Kevin Warren, and maybe B1G Chancellors/Presidents) has any idea who made the decision, nor what level of support existed (and still exists) for delaying the season.
And, now, it's possibly just a delay ... for 3(?) months??
Bizarre doesn't begin to describe this exercise.
So if the Big Ten presidents didn't vote as people are implying....what exactly is the implied outcome if it's not Warren made the decision? That's the only alternative unless they were flipping coins.
It's really not that complex - a decision was made amongst the Presidents. The Big Ten has reaffirmed that decision. And now it is looking into multiple options on how to hold a season and not severely disrupt the 2021 season with 1 option could start in November - simply an option.
The Big Ten has said there was a decision by a strong majority of its institutions. So unless you're accusing the Big Ten of lying or covering up something, there's really nothing confusing or "bizarre" about it.
We all agree that this whole thing is a mess. Warren does not have the authority to cancel a season. It's his job to help all parties communicate effectively. It doesn't seem like he did that. Either way, the fact that his son is preparing to play is a bad look. Warren appears to be a hypocrite if the argument is he's allowing his son to play. If the argument is that his son is an adult and can make his own decisions, you come away wondering why the adults in the Big Ten weren't allowed to make their own decisions as well.
Again, I'm not sure why this is complicated.
His adult son plays at an SEC program. The SEC schools have decided thus far to play football at this time. The team members did not make the decision for the schools, and will not make future decisions.
So I'm not sure how the conclusion is Kevin Warren should either force his adult son to not play football OR the athletes get to make the decision for the Big Ten, which isn't happening in any college conference in the country.
You're making this too difficult. (Or, maybe attempting to make it difficult.)
There's a lot of confusion... lack of transparency... lack of communication... whatever the hell you want to call it... w/r/t the process, decisionmaking, etc.
Why you find that so hard to see is, frankly, stunning.
I don't care about any "implied outcome", or any such nonsense.
Nobody said it was ... "complex". You choose to assume a decision was made as you assume. There's a LOT of people questioning the process, how the decision was made, why it was made, etc.
If you're not the least bit intellectually curious, so be it.
Most of us can have a conversation without being a conspiracy nut, or making accusations of a cover up.
most of us.
11-3 vote by the presidents
The communications could have been handled much better, but time to stop blaming Warren for the decision.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/big-ten-presidents-voted-11-3-to-cancel-fall-football-season
The communications could have been handled much better, but time to stop blaming Warren for the decision.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/big-ten-presidents-voted-11-3-to-cancel-fall-football-season
I'm not sure how many are ... "blaming Warren for the decision" ... as much as they are his substantial lack of leadership.
Well, the OP for one.
How does the new B10 commissioner justify canceling the B10 football season because of covid worries while he allows his son to continue playing in the SEC?
Neither half of that statement is accurate. He didn’t cancel the season (it was determined by a vote of the presidents). And he isn’t “allowing” his son to play football (the SEC presidents are).
The optics are just really poor and smell of him being hypocritical.
I'd love to know who first brought up the idea of canceling the season and then actually organized a vote. Someone had to say "Hey, I have an idea".
As B10 commish, you would think that Warren would have met with all the other P5 commish and determined why they were justifying keeping their seasons going.
Would some B10 schools have opted out if canceling the season weren't even an option?
I highly, highly doubt it.
Just scanned the board again and there are no less than 4 unique threads with multiple people piling on Warren specifically for the cancellation decision. The only thing that is "known" according to official court documents is that there was an overwhelming 11-3 majority of presidents who voted down fall football. I highly doubt Delaney or any other commish would have gone against an 11-3 vote of the presidents. Could he have "handled it better", absolutely.
You're fooling yourself with some axe to grind if you don't think every conference in American had to have a conference-wide reckoning of some form, probably with a vote, when it came to deciding whether or not to play football this fall amid the pandemic. Do you really think things were just humming along like normal and then one day Warren got up and said, hey wait a minute, should we be playing football? Maybe we should take a vote! LOL. Each individual university was getting pressure to ensure the safety of its students and faculty alike, which was mounting by the day, especially with the release of the heart related info. The difference between the B1G and the SEC was the support or lack thereof of the constituents.
Yeah, I think that's the "piling on" to which you referenced, and I think that's the point of the conversation. (Well, for most people.)
you have some valid points.
Pressure comes with the job. That's why the pay is so good. The challenge is to make an informed call (which is questionable), and a call that is in alignment with what comparable organizations (and people) are making. That doesn't mean he doesn't exercise his own judgment.
I think there are other differences between the B1G and SEC. One, (and this is solely based on accounts I've heard/read) the medical guidance given to the SEC leaders appears to have been less dire.
The B1G decision really does look bad right now, and for a number of reasons.
It's not confusing at all.
There was a vote by the Big Ten presidents that overwhelmingly was for postponing the season.
Pretty simple, there ya have it. What's confusing about it?
In your opinion....
Some conferences have sports medicine specialists as their advisors - that's like hiring a divorce attorney when you're charged with insider trading. These conferences also have a lot of schools that aren't as financially sound as the Big Ten. Maybe they're doing it for the money!?
The SEC has a significant number of high profile players sitting the year out, it's not like they haven't been watered down and are playing normally.
Regardless of the date on the schedule, this college football year is simply not going to be the same. Nobody is playing a normal year.
I'm not sure why you're confused. Can't help you with that.
There has been zero reliable communication on the process: who voted, how they voted, why they voted as they did. Not sure why you're having so much difficulty with that.
I don't think it's at all confusing that we all posts our own opinions. So, yes. We can acknowledge my comments are my opinion.
And, we can all agree, this is not going to be a normal year.
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