SS story from front page, thoughts on this....

[PU52Chevy]

Great young man from The Region in Indiana that can shoot lights out......

Would be a great addition to fill Mathias spot one he graduates after next year.

My thoughts are and for this to happen:
1) G. Eifert comes off of scholarship which has to happen just to fit the class already signed
2) Biggie goes Pro for sure after this year which would open up a 13 spot for Sasha S.
3) Haas goes Pro and opens up a 13 spot
4) V. Edwards goes Pro and opens up a 13 spot

Worst case and I hope doesn't happen:
5) J. Taylor just can't seem to get rid of the injury bug and gets frustrated and transfers.
(So hoping this doesn't happen, love that kid and the effort he has put in at Purdue.)

#2 and #3 are my guesses above to what happens to make the spot available....time will tell.

I think SS would be a great addition and he is not a threat to the role N. Eastern is going to play on this team. Eastern is a stud athletic guard who will be a game changer next to C. Edwards.

SS is more like Cline and Mathias, a heady player who can pass, shoot and do what's asked of him...a coach on the floor similar to Cline, Mathias and Spike.

Boiler Up!

Will be interesting to see how Matt Painter fits all the pieces together.

 

[Boiler Buck]

You can't have enough shooters. With the bigs already recruited in 17, he would seem like a logical balance to them.

Might be a possible RS candidate though as the OP points out for next year the roster already has shooters....and then as DM leaves - that opens up opportunities for SS.

 

[DG10]

Prep school is not an option (as it seems like one that might make sense in this case given the guys in front of him already if he were to come to Purdue...makes more sense than red-shirting potentially)?

What about Epperson as well, as he would seem to be more a priority if there was a chance to actually get him?

 

[BoilerInChiTown]

Number 1 & 2 is almost a given. CS will go pro, rather in the NBA, oversea, D-league or whatever. Vince and Haas are not ready. But I see us needing a bruiser inside that can rebound for us more than ANYTHING else. Epperson will be nice but he and none on the current roster or the new commits will make me feel better about this. This will be a big deficiency that needs to be address right away.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Number 1 & 2 is almost a given. CS will go pro, rather in the NBA, oversea, D-league or whatever. Vince and Haas are not ready. But I see us needing a bruiser inside that can rebound for us more than ANYTHING else. Epperson will be nice but he and none on the current roster or the new commits will make me feel better about this. This will be a big deficiency that needs to be address right away.

I agree, but I am hoping that Eden Ewing can help out with rebounding next year, along with Isaac, Vincent Edwards and Smotherman.

 

[PU52Chevy]

I agree, but I am hoping that Eden Ewing can help out with rebounding next year, along with Isaac, Vincent Edwards and Smotherman.

I agree...EE will be a blessing....many are doubting his skills but he is a stud.

He will step right in and bring energy....

 

[Boiler Buck]

I agree...EE will be a blessing....many are doubting his skills but he is a stud.

He will step right in and bring energy....

Sometimes JUCOs step in right away......sometimes they are not there defensively and take a few months.

 

[TC4THREE]

I'm not 100% that Swanigan is going after this season. I'm sure that's what they want to do but that's what they wanted to do last year too. The NBA has to somewhat agreeable for that to happen.

 

[BoilerInChiTown]

I agree, but I am hoping that Eden Ewing can help out with rebounding next year, along with Isaac, Vincent Edwards and Smotherman.

I don't see them making up 11 rebounding/game. Unfortunately if that's the case, we will certainly get out boarded on regular basis. I can't say this enough, we need a bruiser that can rebound.

 

[SqueakyClean]

I'm not 100% that Swanigan is going after this season. I'm sure that's what they want to do but that's what they wanted to do last year too. The NBA has to somewhat agreeable for that to happen.

100%, no. 95%, yes. The big knock on him before was his outside shooting was lacking for a 4, and so far he has shown immense improvement in that aspect. Also, his consistency is much better so far

 

[TC4THREE]

100%, no. 95%, yes. The big knock on him before was his outside shooting was lacking for a 4, and so far he has shown immense improvement in that aspect. Also, his consistency is much better so far

I don't think that was the only knock. He's still not a super athlete like most NBA 4's and his decision-making with the ball in his hands is still poor.

Ultimately it will be the NBA that decides his fate though. He seems to be content just being drafted so as long as he has improved enough to get into the 2nd round he'll likely go and that seems more likely than not.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I'm not 100% that Swanigan is going after this season. I'm sure that's what they want to do but that's what they wanted to do last year too. The NBA has to somewhat agreeable for that to happen.

He could be making 6 figures overseas right now, so it depends on what his goals are.

 

[TC4THREE]

He could be making 6 figures overseas right now, so it depends on what his goals are.

He probably could have done that after last season as well. I don't know if his mindset will have changed if he goes through the NBA draft process again and doesn't get good feedback. I just don't see him as a significantly better NBA player than he was a year ago. Frankly, I think he can only do so much to improve his athleticism but if he's struggling with turnovers at the college level still that isn't going to be something that gets easier for him trying to play in the NBA where everything is sped up.

 

[Wolegib]

I'd prefer Epperson . or adding another point guard over adding another shooter. I'm also wondering what does Haarms reporting early do to our scholarship availability?

 

[rjmpu82]

I agree with TC4THREE. I think CS leaves, but his NBA prognosis is still unclear to me. He is a workaholic, has the body and mindset. However, he is really turnover prone and doesn't play above the rim. Great college player, NBA remains to be seen. As for making 6 figures overseas, when you are 19 and make 6 figures for even 10-12 years, it won't set you up for life. There are these things called taxes. Biggie needs to really think through his future long term and not just think about what he wants right now.

 

[BoilerInChiTown]

I'd prefer Epperson . or adding another point guard over adding another shooter. I'm also wondering what does Haarms reporting early do to our scholarship availability?

I can't believe no one else is concerned about us losing 11 rebounds/per games...A bruiser that can rebound for us should be the No. 1 priority right now. Apparently Haarms' college eligibility has started due to him coming over from Europe. I'm thinking he will redshirt but want the college practice experience, which will be invaluable to him and the team.

He could be making 6 figures overseas right now, so it depends on what his goals are.

$100K in a city like Chicago is pretty ordinary.
I also think that if you could rebound and shoot in the NBA as a 4, you will get drafted.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

I agree with TC4THREE. I think CS leaves, but his NBA prognosis is still unclear to me. He is a workaholic, has the body and mindset. However, he is really turnover prone and doesn't play above the rim. Great college player, NBA remains to be seen. As for making 6 figures overseas, when you are 19 and make 6 figures for even 10-12 years, it won't set you up for life. There are these things called taxes. Biggie needs to really think through his future long term and not just think about what he wants right now.

uh willie deane had contracts as high as 600k/yr. There was a kid out of VaTech making millions in China. Six figures doesn't necessarily mean 100k...

 

[Dryfly88]

If Caleb was going into the NBA 15 years ago he would have a much higher ceiling. The NBA now is all about getting up and down the court and shooting 3's. He just doesn't have that game. The latest Draft Express mock draft doesn't even have him getting drafted (60 picks). That doesn't mean it can't change, but the fact he isn't even listed at this stage of the season speaks volumes.
Overseas is much more likely if he leaves after this season. I hope he stays, but that is extremely unlikely.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I can't believe no one else is concerned about us losing 11 rebounds/per games...A bruiser that can rebound for us should be the No. 1 priority right now. Haarms might just be going to school early and not necessary on scholarship yet. I'm more concern that he is not playing competitive balls for next three months.



$100K in a city like Chicago is pretty ordinary.
I also think that if you could rebound and shoot in the NBA as a 4, you will get drafted.

a lot of Euro clubs give you an apartment, a car, and a per diem, in addition to your salary. so you can save a bunch of your money if you choose to. And he would make a lot more than 100K. James Augustine made $1.2 million one year.

 

[FirstDownB]

All of you saying his limited athleticism is affecting his ceiling.. that is more of an argument FOR him leaving early. If he makes little year-to-year progress in the pre draft rankings, he has little incentive to return, as the "penalty" for being 1 year older is approximately 5 draft spots.
He is either going to rise from last year, in which case he will be drafted high enough to make it too hard to pass up, or he will plateau, in which case he needs to turn pro before his age is used as a knock against him.

 

[TC4THREE]

All of you saying his limited athleticism is affecting his ceiling.. that is more of an argument FOR him leaving early. If he makes little year-to-year progress in the pre draft rankings, he has little incentive to return, as the "penalty" for being 1 year older is approximately 5 draft spots.
He is either going to rise from last year, in which case he will be drafted high enough to make it too hard to pass up, or he will plateau, in which case he needs to turn pro before his age is used as a knock against him.

Assuming the degree he could get is completely worthless to him, yes. Otherwise, he's already 2 years in and if he's like other athletes that stay on campus year around he might be in line for his degree in only one more year. That said, I have no idea how much he values that, if at all. If I weren't getting guaranteed NBA money straight out of college it would be a huge deal to me.

 

[FirstDownB]

Assuming the degree he could get is completely worthless to him, yes. Otherwise, he's already 2 years in and if he's like other athletes that stay on campus year around he might be in line for his degree in only one more year. That said, I have no idea how much he values that, if at all. If I weren't getting guaranteed NBA money straight out of college it would be a huge deal to me.

It's certainly not a black and white issue. Many players have completed their degrees later on in life while making money playing ball. Barring injury, he is good enough that his career for the next 10 years or so is going to be playing pro basketball. If he is projected in the 2017 draft, it is a risk calculation to return and fall out in 2018 due to injury or nothing more than being a year older. If they tell him he still has significant upside that could be improved upon with another year in college that's one thing. But if he's hearing the same feedback the second year in a row...

 

[TC4THREE]

It's certainly not a black and white issue. Many players have completed their degrees later on in life while making money playing ball. Barring injury, he is good enough that his career for the next 10 years or so is going to be playing pro basketball. If he is projected in the 2017 draft, it is a risk calculation to return and fall out in 2018 due to injury or nothing more than being a year older. If they tell him he still has significant upside that could be improved upon with another year in college that's one thing. But if he's hearing the same feedback the second year in a row...

I'd say it's only a risk if he's projected in/around the first round.

I don't follow the NBA hardly at all anymore. I think it's garbage so I have to rely and what other people tell me in regards to what type of career he could have and where he rates among other prospects. The news I've seen on that wouldn't be too encouraging to me if I were him but like we've all said it's hard to know what his priorities are. We all can say what we would do in his shoes but none of us know what that's like outside of the basketball court.

 

[Dryfly88]

All of you saying his limited athleticism is affecting his ceiling.. that is more of an argument FOR him leaving early. If he makes little year-to-year progress in the pre draft rankings, he has little incentive to return, as the "penalty" for being 1 year older is approximately 5 draft spots.
He is either going to rise from last year, in which case he will be drafted high enough to make it too hard to pass up, or he will plateau, in which case he needs to turn pro before his age is used as a knock against him.

Correct, and why I'm so sure he is gone after this season.

 

[ghost_of_d.]

100%, no. 95%, yes. The big knock on him before was his outside shooting was lacking for a 4, and so far he has shown immense improvement in that aspect. Also, his consistency is much better so far

Lateral quickness and no explosiveness are much larger concerns for him at the NBA level.

 

[Dakota Girl]

I can't believe no one else is concerned about us losing 11 rebounds/per games...A bruiser that can rebound for us should be the No. 1 priority right now. Apparently Haarms' college eligibility has started due to him coming over from Europe. I'm thinking he will redshirt but want the college practice experience, which will be invaluable to him and the team.



$100K in a city like Chicago is pretty ordinary.
I also think that if you could rebound and shoot in the NBA as a 4, you will get drafted.

Chi,
I'm not going to say that losing CS doesn't have an impact on rebounding but it is not a drop equivalent to his average. The majority of those would still be rebounded by Purdue. It would be spread over several other players each game. It may take time to get back to the same team rebounding averages or it may not get there at all. But note that we lost two defensive players of the year from last years roster but this years team is clearly better overall and the defense seems to be getting better with each outing. When you lose a strong rebounding big you adjust by sending guards in to help on the defensive glass. No reason to panic yet. All that said, an mobile 6'8 235 lb rebounder would be great. Maybe that guy is Ewing.

 

[Feace]

I hope I am truly wrong but I don't see him being a star in the NBA. He might kick around with a couple of different teams for a minute but I don't know that he ever really "makes" it. From what I understand, he is much closer to 6'-7 1/2" as opposed to the 6'-9" we list him at. Anyone under about 6-9 or 6-10 in the NBA has to play like a guard. I know there are exceptions to the rule but for the most part that is the case. I don't think his ceiling is high enough as far as outside shooting, ball handling and speed to make it in the league as a 2/3. I think he is a little undersized and lacks the jumping ability to be an effective 4. He does have a great work ethic with which I again hope he proves me wrong but I just don't see it. One of my favorites and I hope he becomes an all star. Like many that have played before him and many that will come after, great college player but not NBAer.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

Great young man from The Region in Indiana that can shoot lights out......

Would be a great addition to fill Mathias spot one he graduates after next year.

My thoughts are and for this to happen:
1) G. Eifert comes off of scholarship which has to happen just to fit the class already signed
2) Biggie goes Pro for sure after this year which would open up a 13 spot for Sasha S.
3) Haas goes Pro and opens up a 13 spot
4) V. Edwards goes Pro and opens up a 13 spot

Worst case and I hope doesn't happen:
5) J. Taylor just can't seem to get rid of the injury bug and gets frustrated and transfers.
(So hoping this doesn't happen, love that kid and the effort he has put in at Purdue.)

#2 and #3 are my guesses above to what happens to make the spot available....time will tell.

I think SS would be a great addition and he is not a threat to the role N. Eastern is going to play on this team. Eastern is a stud athletic guard who will be a game changer next to C. Edwards.

SS is more like Cline and Mathias, a heady player who can pass, shoot and do what's asked of him...a coach on the floor similar to Cline, Mathias and Spike.

Boiler Up!

Will be interesting to see how Matt Painter fits all the pieces together.

I really don't understand your comment about Jacquil. Transferring because of injuries???? New school isn't going to fix that

 

[Feace]

I have been thinking the same thing. If he is hurt, then he is hurt

 

[mathboy]

Great young man from The Region in Indiana that can shoot lights out......

Would be a great addition to fill Mathias spot one he graduates after next year.

My thoughts are and for this to happen:
1) G. Eifert comes off of scholarship which has to happen just to fit the class already signed
2) Biggie goes Pro for sure after this year which would open up a 13 spot for Sasha S.
3) Haas goes Pro and opens up a 13 spot
4) V. Edwards goes Pro and opens up a 13 spot

Worst case and I hope doesn't happen:
5) J. Taylor just can't seem to get rid of the injury bug and gets frustrated and transfers.
(So hoping this doesn't happen, love that kid and the effort he has put in at Purdue.)

#2 and #3 are my guesses above to what happens to make the spot available....time will tell.

I think SS would be a great addition and he is not a threat to the role N. Eastern is going to play on this team. Eastern is a stud athletic guard who will be a game changer next to C. Edwards.

SS is more like Cline and Mathias, a heady player who can pass, shoot and do what's asked of him...a coach on the floor similar to Cline, Mathias and Spike.

Boiler Up!

Will be interesting to see how Matt Painter fits all the pieces together.

I won't contest the "possibility" of any of this happening. However, JT transferring because of injuries doesn't make sense to me. My amateur observation watching the bench and JT during games is that he genuinely likes his teammates. He likes being on this team. In fact the whole team seems close.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I won't contest the "possibility" of any of this happening. However, JT transferring because of injuries doesn't make sense to me. My amateur observation watching the bench and JT during games is that he genuinely likes his teammates. He likes being on this team. In fact the whole team seems close.

I agree, and I don't really see anybody else on the team that would transfer either. So, I think it's Epperson or Jancovic, not both.

 

[ChuckJr]

i think Smotherman could transfer to a smaller school if he thinks he can start and score a bunch to get the attention of scouts for Europe or other leagues. He has some talent and it seems to be coming to the surface more now.

 

[Dryfly88]

i think Smotherman could transfer to a smaller school if he thinks he can start and score a bunch to get the attention of scouts for Europe or other leagues. He has some talent and it seems to be coming to the surface more now.

Can't see him sitting out another year for a transfer. I agree that his playing time is going to be a challenge for him, but I think taking another year away from the game would be too high a price to pay.

 

[Dryfly88]

After I hit send, I did think about Graduate Transfer for Basil. I suppose that could be an option??

 

[*4purdue*]

I'm not 100% that Swanigan is going after this season. I'm sure that's what they want to do but that's what they wanted to do last year too. The NBA has to somewhat agreeable for that to happen.

I got bashed for saying that a few weeks ago.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

After I hit send, I did think about Graduate Transfer for Basil. I suppose that could be an option??

Hoping it would never come to that.....but it would be his only option to transfer because he's already used his red-shirt, and he would have only one year of eligibility left.

 

[Dryfly88]

Hoping it would never come to that.....but it would be his only option to transfer because he's already used his red-shirt, and he would have only one year of eligibility left.

I don't think that's likely either Tex. Was just talking about what options he would have in response to a previous post. Hopefully he is happy with his situation and has two productive years!!

 

[nagemj02]

"You can't have enough shooters." You can if most of them aren't high-level DI athletes. A team needs high-level athletes at the guard position (i.e. C. Edwards) to compete for championships.