So you wish your were Kansas...

[reswat]

Here's a quote from the article on Bill Self at Kansas:

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Self is one of four head coaches with at least eight No. 1 seeds in the NCAA tournament, but only one of his eight No. 1 teams has reached the Final Four.​

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. That's seven gut punches (losses to lower seeds) that Bill Self has had to take.

Kansas is often listed as one of the 4 or 5 "blue blood" schools that we would set as a goal for Purdue. I personally wish Purdue were in that category.

But when I read that stat above, it became clear to me that the pain suffered by a true Kansas fan has probably been more intense than what has been suffered by a true Purdue fan over the past 20 years.

Now, that Kansas fan has also had more moments of glory, including one national championship. So I'm not saying that the administration at Purdue should settle for mediocrity. But I am saying this:

Many people seem to think that if we just had a better coach, or better recruits, then we wouldn't have to deal with these painful losses that we suffer. Well, if you think that rooting for a blue blood school will allow you to avoid the terrible frustration of losing, then you're mistaken.

 

[Dryfly88]

Here's a quote from the article on Bill Self at Kansas:

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Self is one of four head coaches with at least eight No. 1 seeds in the NCAA tournament, but only one of his eight No. 1 teams has reached the Final Four.​

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. That's seven gut punches (losses to lower seeds) that Bill Self has had to take.

Kansas is often listed as one of the 4 or 5 "blue blood" schools that we would set as a goal for Purdue. I personally wish Purdue were in that category.

But when I read that stat above, it became clear to me that the pain suffered by a true Kansas fan has probably been more intense than what has been suffered by a true Purdue fan over the past 20 years.

Now, that Kansas fan has also had more moments of glory, including one national championship. So I'm not saying that the administration at Purdue should settle for mediocrity. But I am saying this:

Many people seem to think that if we just had a better coach, or better recruits, then we wouldn't have to deal with these painful losses that we suffer. Well, if you think that rooting for a blue blood school will allow you to avoid the terrible frustration of losing, then you're mistaken.

I couldn't disagree more with the bolded part. Especially if you take it out 30 years. They have been to the mountain top twice in that time frame, we have no trips to even the final four in that time frame. I would take their "disappointments" over ours in a heart beat.

Not to mention 13 straight conference championships. I can't even imagine PU doing that. Bottom line is that their fan base and our fan base have completely different experiences when it comes to "pain suffered".

 

[icewind7]

How many Kansas fan wish they are Purdue? U meant? It's the best not to get to tournament so u don't need to lose in 1st or 2nd round u meant?

 

[77 grad]

I suffered more watching our two years with RJ as point guard than most Kansas fans have in a lifetime. Not that all blame for those teams was on him.

 

[boiler-deuce]

Here's a quote from the article on Bill Self at Kansas:

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Self is one of four head coaches with at least eight No. 1 seeds in the NCAA tournament, but only one of his eight No. 1 teams has reached the Final Four.​

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. That's seven gut punches (losses to lower seeds) that Bill Self has had to take.

Kansas is often listed as one of the 4 or 5 "blue blood" schools that we would set as a goal for Purdue. I personally wish Purdue were in that category.

But when I read that stat above, it became clear to me that the pain suffered by a true Kansas fan has probably been more intense than what has been suffered by a true Purdue fan over the past 20 years.

Now, that Kansas fan has also had more moments of glory, including one national championship. So I'm not saying that the administration at Purdue should settle for mediocrity. But I am saying this:

Many people seem to think that if we just had a better coach, or better recruits, then we wouldn't have to deal with these painful losses that we suffer. Well, if you think that rooting for a blue blood school will allow you to avoid the terrible frustration of losing, then you're mistaken.

I'd MUCH rather get a lot closer.

 

[FleeTheScene]

I may be in the minority here but I really prefer not being a "blue blood". I get a lot of satisfaction from bringing guys in and developing them and watching them play here for four years. I'd love to always be in the conversation for national championships but having a revolving door of kids that are just there for a year because it's required before going to the NBA just doesn't seem like it would be as satisfying as watching kids grow in the program. I'd much rather be a Wisconsin than a Kentucky.

 

[reswat]

I myself said that I would like to be a blue blood school. And I admitted that Kansas fans have had moments of glory that Purdue fans haven't had.

Just to repeat, my point was this:

If you think being a blue blood school is an escape from pain, then you're just mistaken.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

If Purdue got the Kansas team that played Saturday instead of Thursday...Purdue wins by 10+. Like Keady used to say...it's not who you play but when you play them. Imo, Kansas got a huge ego boost from the Thursday game and came out flat and uninspired. Too bad because I liked Purdue's chances against Oregon.

 

[77 grad]

We all feel pain. Pick your poison.

On a cheerier note, I forgot about Kansas football. (Which is easy to do.) Gale Sayers was amazing, but spread over 55 years even he has become diluted.

PU had a reprieve in Drew Brees' years, at least.

 

[*4purdue*]

I myself said that I would like to be a blue blood school. And I admitted that Kansas fans have had moments of glory that Purdue fans haven't had.

Just to repeat, my point was this:

If you think being a blue blood school is an escape from pain, then you're just mistaken.

Dude, you are high. The only thing Purdue fans had to point to that was worse was cub fans... Now that's even gone.

 

[tjreese]

Here's a quote from the article on Bill Self at Kansas:

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Self is one of four head coaches with at least eight No. 1 seeds in the NCAA tournament, but only one of his eight No. 1 teams has reached the Final Four.​

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. That's seven gut punches (losses to lower seeds) that Bill Self has had to take.

Kansas is often listed as one of the 4 or 5 "blue blood" schools that we would set as a goal for Purdue. I personally wish Purdue were in that category.

But when I read that stat above, it became clear to me that the pain suffered by a true Kansas fan has probably been more intense than what has been suffered by a true Purdue fan over the past 20 years.

Now, that Kansas fan has also had more moments of glory, including one national championship. So I'm not saying that the administration at Purdue should settle for mediocrity. But I am saying this:

Many people seem to think that if we just had a better coach, or better recruits, then we wouldn't have to deal with these painful losses that we suffer. Well, if you think that rooting for a blue blood school will allow you to avoid the terrible frustration of losing, then you're mistaken.

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As a youngster my car had no A/C,no power windows or locks, my house had no A/C growing up, but today if it were 85 degrees and I never had those things...it would bother me. Sometimes opening Pandoras Box brings about things never thought about. I have a lot of work to do outside, but a lot gets put on hold when the Boilers are playing...

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

We all feel pain. Pick your poison.

On a cheerier note, I forgot about Kansas football. (Which is easy to do.) Gale Sayers was amazing, but spread over 55 years even he has become diluted.

PU had a reprieve in Drew Brees' years, at least.

Kansas has had one great player...Purdue on the other hand:

NFL HOF:
Kansas - 1
Purdue - 4 (Dawson, Griese, Hank Stram, Woodson...with likely Brees and Alstott still waiting)

College HOF:
Kansas - 6 (possibly Aqib Talib still added)
Purdue - 16 (still missing a number of players from the late 90's and 2000's)

Historical, the two programs aren't even remotely on the same plane.

 

[krazyjvilled]

Any of us would take every bit of kansas's pain over ours.. just stop

 

[delarno]

Kansas has had one great player...Purdue on the other hand:

NFL HOF:
Kansas - 0
Purdue - 4 (Dawson, Griese, Hank Stram, Woodson...with likely Brees and Alstott still waiting)

College HOF:
Kansas - 6 (possibly Aqib Talib still added)
Purdue - 16 (still missing a number of players from the late 90's and 2000's)

Historical, the two programs aren't even remotely on the same plane.

Isn't Gale Sayers in the NFL Hall of Fame?

 

[tjreese]

Any of us would take every bit of kansas's pain over ours.. just stop

fully understand what you are saying and the truth behind it. What I "think" the original poster was pointing out that happens all through humanity was not the specific basketball thing, but in life we tend to never be satisfied...we get something and want more and more...at least that is how I take it.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Isn't Gale Sayers in the NFL Hall of Fame?

Site I used had 0...Sayers is Kansas' only HOF

 

[Inspector100]

Any of us would take every bit of kansas's pain over ours.. just stop

If that is your point of view, then you also have the option to joint their fan base and feel lousy for the rest of your life. Or you can remain a Boiler and feel lousy as well. Here is a thought. Let it go, be thankful for what you have and live with all the love a good family provides.

 

[PUBV]

I myself said that I would like to be a blue blood school. And I admitted that Kansas fans have had moments of glory that Purdue fans haven't had.

Just to repeat, my point was this:

If you think being a blue blood school is an escape from pain, then you're just mistaken.

GIVE...ME...THAT...PAIN...ANY
FREAKING...DAY...OF...THE...YEAR!

 

[PUBV]

If that is your point of view, then you also have the option to joint their fan base and feel lousy for the rest of your life. Or you can remain a Boiler and feel lousy as well. Here is a thought. Let it go, be thankful for what you have and live with all the love a good family provides.

Jeepers, who goes to a free bball message board for life lessons. I feel like the people who tell me to kiss my kids, hug my wife, or go outside & sniff the flowers are the ones who are taking this poo poo WAY too seriously. Of course basketball is a kids game, and I watch it for entertainment purposes only. It's relevance to me rates right up there with do I eat this whole donut or save the rest for later? It's a discussion board, discuss & have some yuks.

 

[Inspector100]

Jeepers, who goes to a free bball message board for life lessons. I feel like the people who tell me to kiss my kids, hug my wife, or go outside & sniff the flowers are the ones who are taking this poo poo WAY too seriously. Of course basketball is a kids game, and I watch it for entertainment purposes only. It's relevance to me rates right up there with do I eat this whole donut or save the rest for later? It's a discussion board, discuss & have some yuks.

I didn't tell you to do anything except make a choice and live with the results. I think in between the lines, you are doing that. If so, that is one. Any more takers?

 

[PUBV]

I didn't tell you to do anything except make a choice and live with the results. I think in between the lines, you are doing that. If so, that is one. Any more takers?

Yowza, ya schooled me alright. You have just won the internet!

 

[PU pit bull]

Both schools fan bases are watching this Tourney on TV now............to what degree the "pain" in losing is, I have no idea, but I'm sure Kansas fans aren't too happy with losing a game they should have won.

 

[tjreese]

Jeepers, who goes to a free bball message board for life lessons. I feel like the people who tell me to kiss my kids, hug my wife, or go outside & sniff the flowers are the ones who are taking this poo poo WAY too seriously. Of course basketball is a kids game, and I watch it for entertainment purposes only. It's relevance to me rates right up there with do I eat this whole donut or save the rest for later? It's a discussion board, discuss & have some yuks.

I think most people do watch it for entertainment purposes only and why I'm an oddball on this as well. It is in our school systems and generally a costly endeavor. I love basketball and found music in my ears when I could hear the shoes squeaking and the ball bouncing. When I got out of Purdue I played in probably 3 or 4 leagues, scouted for a brother-in-law that was a head coach and probably put in close to 30 hours in travel and playing each week. I never once thought of it as entertainment and yet we are where we are due to most thinking of it as entertainment. I always saw it as a battle within each internally and a battle between others externally. That doesn't make me right or wrong...just that entertainment was never a consideration..and I know that if you interviewed the 2000 people leaving a gym...99.9% were there for entertainment.

I would question why should a school spend so much in facilities, coaches...school positions to get coaches adn so forth if all it is ...is entertainment...and yet that is exactly what it means to almost all people. This is probably why I don't watch the NBA either. I used to work with a couple of guys that would always tell me so and so is differnt in the NBA..tune in and you might enjoy their play. AGain, why I'm the oddball here

 

[nagemj02]

If Purdue got the Kansas team that played Saturday instead of Thursday...Purdue wins by 10+. Like Keady used to say...it's not who you play but when you play them. Imo, Kansas got a huge ego boost from the Thursday game and came out flat and uninspired. Too bad because I liked Purdue's chances against Oregon.

Oregon's schemes and personnel (for the most part: a couple of their guards and one or two of their backup bigs are similar to Purdue's) are different from Purdue's, so I don't think it would have changed as much as you think because for one thing, Purdue still wouldn't have been able to effectively contain them playing man-to-man the entire game. Kansas would still be able to drive and score on them (or throw an occasional alley-oop) because Purdue didn't have any shot-blockers/rim-protectors to provide help from the strong/weak-sides this season.

 

[boiler-deuce]

Anyone who says that they are glad we aren't a blue blood or doesn't wish to have one for an Alma mater is lying. Or a huge reason why you aren't one then. I'd love to be a fixture in the Sweet16 and periodically go further. Get real. And anyone with the audacity to even attempt to spin that desire into something negative can kiss myass. I want to know what it feels like to watch the Boilers do that. Even one flipping time at this point would be hard to even predict how it feels. Some schools are hiring Frank Martin's, Mark Few's and and we're scared we can't do any better than Painter so we defend his mediocrity out of of all things....fear. Wow.

 

[Dryfly88]

Unless you're getting paid to play or coach it's entertainment/hobby.

 

[tjreese]

Unless you're getting paid to play or coach it's entertainment/hobby.

I understand your position and said it is held by most...just not me. None of this suggests I can't appreciate the skill and athleticism,but the final score is just one of the battles many face. The game can and should mirror much of life in my opinion. As I said I know (experience) most don't see sports in that light...I've accepted being the odd duck and have no confusion in thinking that most think the same. I'm perfectly content in others holding different views for themselves.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I understand your position and said it is held by most...just not me. None of this suggests I can't appreciate the skill and athleticism,but the final score is just one of the battles many face. The game can and should mirror much of life in my opinion. As I said I know (experience) most don't see sports in that light...I've accepted being the odd duck and have no confusion in thinking that most think the same. I'm perfectly content in others holding different views for themselves.

Anyone who stood and watched Painter take AJ Hammons from HS and help him become the man he has become ... and you damn well better believe it was not easy ... and doesn't believe that he is a coach to be proud of ... has blinders on when it comes to what a true coach is.

 

[boiler-deuce]

Unless you're getting paid to play or coach it's entertainment/hobby.

Yeah, that's why people in the stands just quietly sit and watch the game.....like it's a play or musical. No. They wear jerseys and scream their mf-ing heads off. Paint their face school colors. Sit in bars yelling when something good happens.

 

[boiler-deuce]

Anyone who stood and watched Painter take AJ Hammons from HS and help him become the man he has become ... and you damn well better believe it was not easy ... and doesn't believe that he is a coach to be proud of ... has blinders on when it comes to what a true coach is.

Every coach does that. Doing the parts of a job that are a given don't separate you from anyone else. Acting like Painter did something nobody else could do is a false narrative. Every coach that wins at a high level, does that on a regular basis. That bar is low.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Every coach does that. Doing the parts of a job that are a given don't separate you from anyone else. Acting like Painter did something nobody else could do is a false narrative. Every coach that wins at a high level, does that on a regular basis. That bar is low.

I am sorry that you think that bar is low ... I truly am ...

 

[boiler-deuce]

I am sorry that you think that bar is low ... I truly am ...

I'm sorry you think that bar isn't low. I truly am.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I'm sorry you think that bar isn't low. I truly am.

original and creative ...

 

[Dryfly88]

I understand your position and said it is held by most...just not me. None of this suggests I can't appreciate the skill and athleticism,but the final score is just one of the battles many face. The game can and should mirror much of life in my opinion. As I said I know (experience) most don't see sports in that light...I've accepted being the odd duck and have no confusion in thinking that most think the same. I'm perfectly content in others holding different views for themselves.

Wasn't talking to you specifically, but since you quoted me, what do you call it if not entertainment/hobby?

 

[PaBoiler78]

I think most people do watch it for entertainment purposes only and why I'm an oddball on this as well. It is in our school systems and generally a costly endeavor. I love basketball and found music in my ears when I could hear the shoes squeaking and the ball bouncing. When I got out of Purdue I played in probably 3 or 4 leagues, scouted for a brother-in-law that was a head coach and probably put in close to 30 hours in travel and playing each week. I never once thought of it as entertainment and yet we are where we are due to most thinking of it as entertainment. I always saw it as a battle within each internally and a battle between others externally. That doesn't make me right or wrong...just that entertainment was never a consideration..and I know that if you interviewed the 2000 people leaving a gym...99.9% were there for entertainment.

I would question why should a school spend so much in facilities, coaches...school positions to get coaches adn so forth if all it is ...is entertainment...and yet that is exactly what it means to almost all people. This is probably why I don't watch the NBA either. I used to work with a couple of guys that would always tell me so and so is differnt in the NBA..tune in and you might enjoy their play. AGain, why I'm the oddball here

you're not an oddball, I haven't watched the NBA since following the Suns when they had Chambers, Thunder Dan, Hornacek etc.

 

[rgarlitz]

I like Painter. I like what he's done with this group of guys since Purdue finished dead last and missed the postseason just four years ago. Ya, painter was part of that, too, but he seems to be growing as a recruiter and as a coach. I think the future of the program looks promising.

I just wish Purdue could make a few deep runs in the NCAA Tournament.

I don't want to be Kansas. I just want Purdue to be able to beat Kansas.

 

[PU pit bull]

I understand your position and said it is held by most...just not me. None of this suggests I can't appreciate the skill and athleticism,but the final score is just one of the battles many face. The game can and should mirror much of life in my opinion. As I said I know (experience) most don't see sports in that light...I've accepted being the odd duck and have no confusion in thinking that most think the same. I'm perfectly content in others holding different views for themselves.

I've always considered you the disco duck............

 

[tjreese]

Wasn't talking to you specifically, but since you quoted me, what do you call it if not entertainment/hobby?

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One, if not the most important thing sports should do is teach mental toughness IMO. When I go to see a game, I want to see good execution whether an individual or team…offensive side and defensive side. A whole lot of things can go into those items due to physical limitations, mental focus and discipline. I try to take a seat before the game and watch players warm up and depending on where I’m sitting I like to see as much of the team…particularly during timeouts as possible. I may find myself clapping a second or two before others as they are waiting to see if the basket was made and I happened to appreciate what led to that...although sometimes I know some don’t understand why the clapping if a basket was not made. You will not find me eating or drinking anything even though I know many miss part of the game to get their food and drink and go to the restroom. I’m shocked when people visit with each other most the game and only catch glimpses of what actually went on. I would enjoy access to practices as much as the games and to actually see and hear from those pulling the strings and suspect that isn’t the cup of tea most prefer. I would enjoy seeing the various drills employed and if or how some fundamentals may or may not be taught. Perhaps it is just engineering tendencies to have interest in things that lead to a final product…I don’t know. I just know when I leave a game I have never thought, boy was that fun…but that is Purdue. If I were to watch another team that I knew nothing about or cared about I would probably consider that entertainment. A think a lot of what I said would find some agreement with some, but most are interested in the final product and now how it got there. I’m excited to see the new pieces for next year in how they go together and enjoy that work rather than the results of games. I have no idea where you or others may fall and to each his or her own, but for me I guess I can’t relax enough to just enjoy the games to where it is entertainment…and as I said…I know it is “I” that is the odd duck.

 

[Dryfly88]

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One, if not the most important thing sports should do is teach mental toughness IMO. When I go to see a game, I want to see good execution whether an individual or team…offensive side and defensive side. A whole lot of things can go into those items due to physical limitations, mental focus and discipline. I try to take a seat before the game and watch players warm up and depending on where I’m sitting I like to see as much of the team…particularly during timeouts as possible. I may find myself clapping a second or two before others as they are waiting to see if the basket was made and I happened to appreciate what led to that...although sometimes I know some don’t understand why the clapping if a basket was not made. You will not find me eating or drinking anything even though I know many miss part of the game to get their food and drink and go to the restroom. I’m shocked when people visit with each other most the game and only catch glimpses of what actually went on. I would enjoy access to practices as much as the games and to actually see and hear from those pulling the strings and suspect that isn’t the cup of tea most prefer. I would enjoy seeing the various drills employed and if or how some fundamentals may or may not be taught. Perhaps it is just engineering tendencies to have interest in things that lead to a final product…I don’t know. I just know when I leave a game I have never thought, boy was that fun…but that is Purdue. If I were to watch another team that I knew nothing about or cared about I would probably consider that entertainment. A think a lot of what I said would find some agreement with some, but most are interested in the final product and now how it got there. I’m excited to see the new pieces for next year in how they go together and enjoy that work rather than the results of games. I have no idea where you or others may fall and to each his or her own, but for me I guess I can’t relax enough to just enjoy the games to where it is entertainment…and as I said…I know it is “I” that is the odd duck.

To each his own of course. I wouldn't call you names (odd duck) but I do find it curious that you still didn't say what you would call it if not entertainment. Honestly after reading your description I might say it sounds like a job that you don't get paid for. Especially the part where you say you leave the arena and never thought that was fun. Might as well go to the dentist!

Anyway, carry on and hopefully you will have some fun watching the rest of the tournament. I find that I really watch the games more when PU is not involved. When PU is playing I'm too wound up!!

 

[cprh9u]

If that is your point of view, then you also have the option to joint their fan base and feel lousy for the rest of your life. Or you can remain a Boiler and feel lousy as well. Here is a thought. Let it go, be thankful for what you have and live with all the love a good family provides.

Yep, much more important things. How about "be thankful for what you have and live with all the love a good family provides" AND watch your team win?