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Sasha Stefanovic comitts to Purdue

Wish it were that easy to dial up a 5 star recruit every couple years.
So does Matt Painter.

Not like there have not been golden opportunities for Purdue to have done so...nor that others don't do it.

I did not say it was easy, nor did anyone else...that is why it is a skill that those that do it (and some who do indeed do it very easily) and have it are successful on a regular basis and relevant on a consistent basis from a national perspective more often than not.

When considering the rest of just the B1G and seeing what even a failing program like Illinois with a coach that has accomplished literally nothing has been able to do from a recruiting standpoint...or a similar such case at Iowa...or Maryland...or, as mentioned PSU...I have a real hard time not believing it reasonable for Purdue to be able to do the same.
 
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Every team needs a player or two like Mathias, Cline, PJ, Sasha, Ryne Smith, etc. The problem is when we have several those guys at the same time that play significant minutes, we will struggle against teams with athletic guards like we have against Louisville, Minny, UALR, etc. Then when we lose these games, we get a bunch of "Fire Painter" threads where folks incorrectly blame scheme and in-game coaching for issues that are really caused by personnel limitations. Hopefully this dynamic will change with a backcourt of Eastern and Edwards. But CMP does seems to be doubling down a bit on the highly skilled, unathletic shooting guard types in the last several years. Teams that advance in March generally have dynamic athletes at the guard position - and we wonder why we struggle to make deep tourney runs.
 
My understanding is the Eastern and Wheeler will provide quite a bit of athleticism to go with Carsen Edwards. Sasha sounds similar to Mathias and should be a nice compliment to those 3. Add Epperson to replace Biggie and I really like the class.
Don't forget Eden Ewing.....I think Ewing, Haarms and Eastern contribute next year....Wheeler or Sasha red shirt candidate depending on how many go NBA.

All good choices....Ewing is a beast and will do well.....
 
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So does Matt Painter.

Not like there have not been golden opportunities for Purdue to have done so...nor that others don't do it.

I did not say it was easy, nor did anyone else...that is why it is a skill that those that do it (and some who do indeed do it very easily) and have it are successful on a regular basis and relevant on a consistent basis from a national perspective more often than not.

When considering the rest of just the B1G and seeing what even a failing program like Illinois with a coach that has accomplished literally nothing has been able to do from a recruiting standpoint...or a similar such case at Iowa...or Maryland...or, as mentioned PSU...I have a real hard time not believing it reasonable for Purdue to be able to do the same.

I'll take Painter's results over Groce's recruiting. As you've said, one does not guarantee the other.
 
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39% from high school 3. I'm not bagging on the kid and am happy he's coming, but how do people see Cline and Dakota shooting ability here?
 
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39% from high school 3. I'm not bagging on the kid and am happy he's coming, but how do people see Cline and Dakota shooting ability here?

It is because he is the teams best player. He doesn't get left open and does a lot with the ball in his hand. He doesn't get the opportunity to be a spot up shooter. He isn't great about creating his own shot, but he shoots very well even with somebody right on him. He is more like Mathias than Cline. He can defend, drive, and shoot. He will likely redshirt, but by the time he is a junior he should be starting or at least a strong contributor. Boiler nation is really going to like him. Tough kid, high character, high work ethic.
 
Don't forget Eden Ewing.....I think Ewing, Haarms and Eastern contribute next year....Wheeler or Sasha red shirt candidate depending on how many go NBA.

All good choices....Ewing is a beast and will do well.....
I didn't mention him because he only has two years of eligibility and I'm thinking further ahead, but point taken.
 
I really like how the 2017 recruiting class is coming together for Purdue. Matt Painter's 2017-'18 team will become more athletic in the right positions, but should still have the high-end three point shooting that has served them well this season. With the potential loss of CS (and possibly one other player to the professional ranks), there is virtually no way that Wheeler red-shirts next season. Moreover, Wheeler and Eastern have the chance to make the same impact that Carson Edwards has had on the 2016-'17 team. Finally, after reading some of the comments about the 2017 recruiting class, it seems like some folks here are more worried about the "bragging rights" of getting 4-5 star players than the best fit for Purdue. My view is that these "3" and "4" star players coming in the 2017 class will outplay these rankings. Just a hunch.
 
I really like how the 2017 recruiting class is coming together for Purdue. Matt Painter's 2017-'18 team will become more athletic in the right positions, but should still have the high-end three point shooting that has served them well this season. With the potential loss of CS (and possibly one other player to the professional ranks), there is virtually no way that Wheeler red-shirts next season. Moreover, Wheeler and Eastern have the chance to make the same impact that Carson Edwards has had on the 2016-'17 team. Finally, after reading some of the comments about the 2017 recruiting class, it seems like some folks here are more worried about the "bragging rights" of getting 4-5 star players than the best fit for Purdue. My view is that these "3" and "4" star players coming in the 2017 class will outplay these rankings. Just a hunch.

Next years team should be fine. Biggie is a special player, but he is very careless with the ball. Our rebounding might take a small step back, but we are adding a lot of size to the wings and guard position. Boogie should have more of an impact as well. The defense at the five will take a step back. Haas doesn't have the quickness of Biggie and struggle with big men that can shoot. You might see Ewing playing occasionally at the 5 for that reason. Should be fun. I don't think the team falls apart with the departure of Biggie. Sasha will for sure redshirt. The others all have potential to contribute right away.
 
Next years team should be fine. Biggie is a special player, but he is very careless with the ball. Our rebounding might take a small step back, but we are adding a lot of size to the wings and guard position. Boogie should have more of an impact as well. The defense at the five will take a step back. Haas doesn't have the quickness of Biggie and struggle with big men that can shoot. You might see Ewing playing occasionally at the 5 for that reason. Should be fun. I don't think the team falls apart with the departure of Biggie. Sasha will for sure redshirt. The others all have potential to contribute right away.
I never thought of Biggie as being quick.
 
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It is because he is the teams best player. He doesn't get left open and does a lot with the ball in his hand. He doesn't get the opportunity to be a spot up shooter. He isn't great about creating his own shot, but he shoots very well even with somebody right on him. He is more like Mathias than Cline. He can defend, drive, and shoot. He will likely redshirt, but by the time he is a junior he should be starting or at least a strong contributor. Boiler nation is really going to like him. Tough kid, high character, high work ethic.

Cline, Mathias, Kendall Stephens, etc. were not their team's best player? I don't think that is unique amongst high major commits. Some HS teams are loaded but that's not normal.
 
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The drop off in rebounding may not be as dramatic as some are thinking. There's a good 5 rebounds every game that Swanigan grabs right before anothe one of our players gets it. If we can get 6-7 boards from the guys who take his minutes we will probably do OK as a team.
 
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I would have rather Painter waited until the offseason and then tried to recruit another HS or transfer guard that might have some similarities to Carsen Edwards (in terms of quickness and skill: except for height) (taller than him) than add another guard of average foot-speed (in the mold of Mathias and Cline) that will soon be chasing around quicker guards fruitlessly in Painter's constant man-to-man defense.
 
Interesting get. Nice to have another 3 point shooter as our guys have been great this year at knocking down open looks. I do wonder what role having CS underneath plays in our guys shooting success (giving them open looks). Without another CS coming in that we know of, I still hope guys that are not particularly athletic but can shoot will still play a significant role next year and beyond.

I've been voicing it for a while... this team needs athletic playmakers that can not only spot up and shoot but also create their own shot, and just as important, stay in front of their man on D. Not to say there isn't a role for Sasha on this team, but I'm still holding out hope for that stud guard who can come in and take us to the next level, as athletic playmaking guards seem to be the most common tie to leading their teams to victory in March.

That's what I was hope Painter was saving one of his scholarships for as well instead of another Mathias/Cline type of player that lacks elite or top-shelf quickness or athleticism.
 
Not to throw a wet blanket on this commitment, but if he's such a good get, why were not other high majors after him? We were his best offer by a long shot. Maybe Painter's putting together a team where a spot up 3 pt shooter is needed but why can't we get a good 3 pt shooter who can also create their own shot and score in the lane?

Painter thinks he can win a national championship by only playing man-to-man and combining that with continuing to construct teams that are very limited in players that have both quickness/athleticism and a good skillset. LOL, he's delusional.

Maybe he'll get Robby Carmody in 2018 so he can trot out a starting lineup of Cline, Stefanovic, Carmody, Haarms, and Eifert. They'll show the Kentucky's, Kansas', and Duke's of college basketball who's the boss.
 
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My understanding is the Eastern and Wheeler will provide quite a bit of athleticism to go with Carsen Edwards. Sasha sounds similar to Mathias and should be a nice compliment to those 3. Add Epperson to replace Biggie and I really like the class.

Even if they can shoot and pass, Painter doesn't need to have 4 guards on one team that aren't quick. He compounds that deficiency by putting them in man-to-man in every single possession of halfcourt D.
 
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Even if they can shoot and pass, Painter doesn't need to have 4 guards on one team that aren't quick. He compounds that by putting them in man-to-man in every single possession of halfcourt D.
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He is them with defense. Gelon the kid who went to IU was the Cline type who can chuck it but not cover anyone. This kid is tough and will do some little things. He also looks bigger than Cline even though they list Cline at 6'6". Sasha is about 6'4" or 6'5" legit. Not like a Michael Jordan "6'7"
I've seen him play many times during the past three years. I really don't see him being that big a get. He's not much of a jumper and struggles handling the ball when pressed. I think this kid was a reach.
 
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I've seen him play many times during the past three years. I really don't see him being that big a get. He's not much of a jumper and struggles handling the ball when pressed. I think this kid was a reach.

Not much of an athlete and struggles vs. the press? He'll fit right in.
 
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Don't forget Eden Ewing.....I think Ewing, Haarms and Eastern contribute next year....Wheeler or Sasha red shirt candidate depending on how many go NBA.

All good choices....Ewing is a beast and will do well.....

Let me guess you think Vince Edwards and Isaac Haas are going pro? Lmao they aren't even on the NBAs radar this year!
 
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The drop off in rebounding may not be as dramatic as some are thinking. There's a good 5 rebounds every game that Swanigan grabs right before anothe one of our players gets it. If we can get 6-7 boards from the guys who take his minutes we will probably do OK as a team.

Yeah except you forgot a major fact. Haas will now get more minutes and he can't rebound worth a damn for his size so.......
 
Yeah except you forgot a major fact. Haas will now get more minutes and he can't rebound worth a damn for his size so.......
In conference play, he's averaging 5 rebounds in 18.6 minutes. If those minutes were 28, he'd average 7.5 rebounds, That would put him a 8th in the conference this year.

I bet Mathias averages more than 6 rebounds next year. He's averaging almost 4 this year and there are at least 1-2 per game where Biggie pushes him out of the way and grabs the board.
 
Interesting get. Nice to have another 3 point shooter as our guys have been great this year at knocking down open looks. I do wonder what role having CS underneath plays in our guys shooting success (giving them open looks). Without another CS coming in that we know of, I still hope guys that are not particularly athletic but can shoot will still play a significant role next year and beyond.

I've been voicing it for a while... this team needs athletic playmakers that can not only spot up and shoot but also create their own shot, and just as important, stay in front of their man on D. Not to say there isn't a role for Sasha on this team, but I'm still holding out hope for that stud guard who can come in and take us to the next level, as athletic playmaking guards seem to be the most common tie to leading their teams to victory in March.
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I understand what you are saying. A team needs a person that can get a shot off by himself in crunch time. In the tourney when there are good teams playing...teams with good, if not great front lines, and if the games are close towards the end of the game it is an advantage to get a shot at the end that does not require involving others unless wide open. Other that the very top players, most players go from high school where they had the ball, had the interest from the team to receive the ball probably 2/3 the time. That changes in college, where the stars many times just become another player. Still needing to play with one ball it is better to have more players off the ball than on, but as you said nice to have one…maybe a couple on the team that creates for himself absent several…unless those creators reel back their individual abilities to play with others. It is easier for any perimeter player to get the ball than to get it inside with the current clock. The whole purpose of the rule emphasis and change was to enhance the little guy since there are a lot more of them than big guys. A guard that gets to the rim on a regular basis may require others to be back for defending any transition, since that person is no longer back. Too many players that create their own shot may struggle in an offense that requires team play and yet a team needs people that are capable of that...with reins naturally since the game is a team sport with only one ball and four others needing to do “things” without the ball.

I do not see Sasha being a player whose strength was creating his own shot effectively, similar to Dakota coming in. I do not see Sasha being a player with great quickness, but will be more of a liability on D than offense as almost all freshmen. He will learn and need to grasp the team D like any high school player going to college. He might struggle shooting the ball due to quicker players and expending himself more on D than the energy high school players need to expend.

In this team sport it is imperative to score behind the arc, at the rim and in-between those two areas. How you do that may be different ways but coaches want to score in those areas with a team chemistry that can score inside, shoot the three ball and have an in-between game. Added to that is the need to drive the ball. Other than Wheeler and Ewing being athletic (along with Eastern) I don’t know their skill set. Many athletic players are drivers and suspect they are too. That thought was enhanced when Sasha stated that his ability to work without the ball and come off screens would work well with the “slashers” coming in…and so Sasha obviously has been instructed that Purdue considers some of the players, if not all, slashers or people driving the ball. We know Eastern can do that and we know Carson if he can get a step can get to the rim. Now it appears that others (Ewing & Wheeler)will fill that role as well. We also can see that Haams is not your banger inside that we are used to seeing, but rather a skilled 7’2” comfortable a few feet from the basket that will also not clog the teams O inside. He still will be 7’2” to score over as he learns to defend inside. What will Taylor do? Will he be able to play? If able I see him as one that will make strides a little quicker, but definitely needs playing time. Will Epperson commit? After the Haas tenure I see Purdue moving to a team game that feeds the post, but not as predominate as today. It will score inside still, but will do so due to mismatches due to size of players demanding a more mobile player to defend them on the perimeter and yet play big enough inside to guard the Purdue players on quick posts.

What can be said is that Matt recruited a team…players with different skill sets, but none that has to have the ball to be effective...although it appears Eastern is capable of doing a lot of things Valentine did...minus the jump shot at this time. In time we will learn how well Purdue recruited this year, but it is safe to say…much better than a few years ago as the recruiting does in fact trend in a “more” positive manner even without the five stars.
 
Yeah except you forgot a major fact. Haas will now get more minutes and he can't rebound worth a damn for his size so.......

He has been better as the year moved on. Besides he already gets 20 mpg on average or something close to that. I imagine his ceiling is around 25 (on average).
 
This reminds me a lot of the PJ Thompson offer. I followed PJ in high school and while there were always questions about whether he had Big Ten talent, he was the kind of kid that I hoped Painter could find room for. Sasha won't blow away anyone with his athleticism, but by all accounts he's a solid, intelligent basketball player who can shoot, pass, and handle the ball. There are a lot of talented guards who end up at mid-majors, but have the talent to contribute in a top conference. Like PJ, I think that Sasha can be that kind of player. I don't think that he has the ceiling of the other players in the class, but I expect him to develop into a solid contributor.

I like PJ because he's a Boiler but he's very one dimensional and if you're honest, he's really MAC level or lower talent.
I'm highly doubt he starts on any other B10 team.
Without PUs size to dump the ball into the post, PJs best asset would be his 3 pt shooting which he's become effective at. But as a PG, he struggles with a lot of what you need out of your PG.
 
It's easy to say this, but think back on purdue basketball history in the last 20 years. How many guys have we really had that can do this consistently? willie deane, etwaun moore, glenn robinson? Maybe hummel too? It's just not that common of a skill set. And one of those guys would never even have set foot on a college floor in the modern game.

I've seen a decent number of players at mid-majors or players in the tourney who have a lot more physical talent than a lot of players I've seen come through PU.
having a 3 pt specialist is important but that's what 4 of our 5 guards are (I'm including Spike although he's a poor 3 pt shooter)
 
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I like PJ because he's a Boiler but he's very one dimensional and if you're honest, he's really MAC level or lower talent.
I'm highly doubt he starts on any other B10 team.
Without PUs size to dump the ball into the post, PJs best asset would be his 3 pt shooting which he's become effective at. But as a PG, he struggles with a lot of what you need out of your PG.
To play devil's advocate, in 10 Big Ten games this season, PJ has an assist to turnover ratio of 5.5:1 and an offensive rating of over 150, while hitting 49% of his three point shots. He's averaging over 29 mpg for a reason. His D is pretty solid as well, excluding the Minny game. Purdue would be a much worse team without him.
 
I like PJ because he's a Boiler but he's very one dimensional and if you're honest, he's really MAC level or lower talent.
I'm highly doubt he starts on any other B10 team.
Without PUs size to dump the ball into the post, PJs best asset would be his 3 pt shooting which he's become effective at. But as a PG, he struggles with a lot of what you need out of your PG.
No question he wouldn't fit in some programs. Other than Biggie none of these players got national attention
 
What I love about Painter is that he gets players who know their identity and play within themselves. (of course there's always gonna be outliers like Ronnie and Bryson who weren't team players).
Could we use some athleticism at the guard position(s)? Of course. But is it imperative to having a successful team? I would argue no. It always helps to have players who can exploit the paint leading to high percentage baskets or open shooters on the perimeter. BUT PURDUE IS A TOP 25 TEAM with only ONE guy capable of getting to the rim and he's just a freshman. Next year we will have 3-4 guys who will be able to slash effectively more so than this years team. Even with slashing guards, we need a 3 and D player who does the little things right and can play efficiently. Sasha looks like he will fit that mold. Sasha will probably never be that player taking it to the hoop at will, but he doesn't need to! If he can shoot 3's efficiently, play good team defense, and stay out of trouble... I think we got ourselves a great player, to compliment the talent we have in the rest of the 2017 class. I'm excited for the future of this team.

Now if we can get another bruiser on the inside I'll be ecstatic! Boiler up
 
since Dakota will be a sr. next year and Cline a jr. , I would like to see him redshirt next year. Glad we got him.

Yes, please let's redshirt him. I know there have been varying circumstance with Cline not redshirting and what not, but we have two players in place as shooters when he'll be a freshman, no reason to not. I really wish Mathias and Cline had opportunities to redshirt - I know there were circumstances, but just saying!
 
Let me guess you think Vince Edwards and Isaac Haas are going pro? Lmao they aren't even on the NBAs radar this year!
Honestly, with this game, and yes he had great stats, I don't see Biggie going very high .... he may go, but he may be told to stay another year. There were a lot of scouts there today and they didn't see a player who can contribute at the NBA level.
 
Honestly, with this game, and yes he had great stats, I don't see Biggie going very high .... he may go, but he may be told to stay another year. There were a lot of scouts there today and they didn't see a player who can contribute at the NBA level.
I agree, the main reason why he has monster numbers like he has is because he outworks and outhustles the opposing team. Rebounding is a combination of positioning , effort, and even more effort. Because he is the hardest working player in the country imo, he powers his way to a double-double every game. At the NBA level where you have players fighting for roster spots with the same skills (and/or significantly better athletic ability) he will struggle to stay on a roster until he becomes more explosive and polished. I would personally love to see him come back next year, but if scouts tell him he will be drafted I can't blame him for proving himself at the NBA-level a year early.
 
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