Win at any cost, reputation be damned.
Most iu fans would.
That's part of what makes rooting against iu so satisfying.
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Most iu fans would.
That's part of what makes rooting against iu so satisfying.
A reputation of winning? What's bad about that?Win at any cost, reputation be damned.
Most iu fans would.
That's part of what makes rooting against iu so satisfying.
Not sure why you are lumping in the current Mark Pope incarnation of UK with the Calipari version. For 2025 UK has two commits and both are in-state players. Those two are very highly rated, but they were UK's priority over highly rated out of state kids.Win at any cost, reputation be damned.
Most iu fans would.
That's part of what makes rooting against iu so satisfying.
If IU gets Mullins and Sisley (and Mullins clearly will be paid well by NIL) why does that make IU more of a 'win at any cost' team than Purdue's current 2025 class of Antoine West Jr. from Ohio, who will also be getting as much NIL as he can (though certainly much less than Mullins or those two UK kids)? Four of Purdue's five 2024 recruits are out-of-state (though one has strong Purdue family ties). I would assume that after the senior year he had, Jacobsen is a fairly expensive NIL get for Purdue, Harris somewhat expensive for a freshman, and the others much less so. Btw, I'm not begrudging Purdue for this at all; they're like most schools -- doing the best they can with the budget available.
So given that it is part of the system and literally every team is paying NIL, what is wrong with a big-budget team prioritizing in-state five stars, and then back-filling with local developmental players and portal additions?
There are different paths to every goal. Which path one chooses says a lot about who they are. That is all.
So do you believe Purdue has been a better program than Kentucky since 2009?
Why 2009? Why not be more current, like 2020? This is the kind of thinking that makes IU fans cherry-pick years to convince themselves that their program has dominated Purdue.
Why 2009? Because 2009 is when Calipari came to Kentucky and essentially made the one and done era what it was. I know exactly what you were trying to get at. That somehow Purdue has some moral high ground because Kentucky went out and recruited at the highest level possible under Calipari. That's why 2009. Can you honestly say Purdue was better than Kentucky under Cals tenure there where he installed the freshman 5* machine? Just because you think they "cheated" means Purdue was better?
Explain what has occurred since 2020. Was Calipari's system better?
I understand your point. Under Knight, IU fans crowed about winning without cheating. Now they are desperate for wins and only care about winning -- by any means.
COVID years and the transfer portal happened. It was more difficult to win with freshmen leading the way against older competition. Along with more transfers into the SEC who were really good at small schools. COVID changed everything. This is the last season of the COVID year as well, so things will start to change again.
And... How exactly is Indiana cheating? By legally paying players?
Curious about the negative inference of “by any means.”
What are the negative means that you see with the current IU program? Simply paying the market NIL rate for portal additions that see their options and choose IU?
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You implied it... Stevie Wonder could see it.
"I understand your point. Under Knight, IU fans crowed about winning without cheating. Now they are desperate for wins and only care about winning -- by any means."
Yeah I can see that was implied. But the means are buying the team. The use of flashing their rings/banner and glory have no value to kids that have never witnessed a good IU team. Let’s be honest, these guys have never seen an iu team get past the sweet 16 and only 3 in their lifetimes. Only 2 big ten champions too. Purdue, Ohio state, wisconsin, Michigan state, and Michigan have more in their lifetimes. Oregon and ucla have had more success and arguably usc and Washington. Is indiana the tenth highest profile basketball program in the big ten in the lifetimes of recruits, putting them in the bottom half. It’s hard to argue they’re better than the other 8.
Maybe so, but Indiana still has that lure, the resources, the fan support, the alumni base. Is it what it used to be? No. But might as well work with what ya got right? If you can go out and get what you need, you've got a duty as a head coach and program to do so.
Nope. You must be more blind than Stevie Wonder. Or terrible reading comprehension. Or you see yourself in my post and don't like what you see. I clearly was talking about IU fans. Over the past several years, many have stated they wanted Calipari for IU's coach. Or Bruce Pearl. Or they wanted Sampson back. They didn't care about cheating, they just wanted IU to win again.
What is “the lure?” That is kinda my point I don’t think they do. They do have the alumni base (which I assume you mean NIL, I don’t think an 18 year old kid cares about alumni), resources, and some fan support. I would say Purdue has stronger fan support. if you’ve been to a game at marckey it is one of the loudest and energetic experiences. Also often during recruiting the recruits are going to football games too which doesn’t bode well for indiana with a half empty stadium (that could be different). I also think a negative in indiana is if I kid hangs out with the team there is no long term longevity. Galloway and Leal have been there a while and renau 2 years and a coach ready to lock out but that’s about it. As opposed to Purdue where you have 7 3rd - 5th year scholarship players and a younger coach with a long way to go at Purdue. Hard for these guys to look at indiana and see what life will be like for 6 more years when they graduate.
I believe Purdue has a been a better program than iu since 2009.
As Tom Cream once said, "It's Indiana." The brand is still there. That's why Indiana makes more money than basically every other program. Meaning the fan support is there as well. And when Indiana is good, Mackey can't touch Assembly Hall. Really nowhere else can outside of Phog Allen. Throw in the fact you get all that plus money... It's a pretty good deal. NIL should help Indiana get back to where it belongs. Haven't been in the top 10 nationally much the last decade outside of maybe a couple times but that's where they belong. And it'll be better for the B1G if/when they get back there. Is that this year? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not.
There's like 50 programs where that's the case. That's a pretty low bar. But doesn't answer the question whether Purdue has been better than Kentucky.
It would also help if the IU head coach wasn't perceived to be a "lovable but quirky ol' grandpa" type.
Assembly Hall??? Its was designed not for the fan. Sure it gets loud when there is a big game, but most of the time it kinda feels like your at Cracker Barrell! At Mackey, the fans always bring it, was designed for basketball! Now where in the states does it get louder than Mackey! Been to both, sorry but your wrong!
This is categorically false. It's even been mentioned during broadcasts that Mackey is one of the loudest arenas there is. When Mackey is roaring it is deafening .. best IU has (yes I have been there when iu was considered "good") is a loudish scream.. I've been to malls that were louder.
Under the balcony can suck to sit at, but the place was literally built to send sound to the floor. Why it's so loud. I know Purdue fans can't be unbiased, but Assembly Hall #2 in the nation. The Phog is just too good(bucket list type place).
Assembly can absolutely get loud. But I'll trust the players on who they say is loudest.
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Okay... Well Indiana was listed for both Men's and women's. And I'm going to trust Coleman Hawkins about as far as I can throw Shaq.Assembly can absolutely get loud. But I'll trust the players on who they say is loudest.
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You are delusional! Show me one non-IU expert that says assembly hall > Mackey. It doesn’t exist and anyone that thinks otherwise wears crimson and cream glasses. I’ve had indiana fans who went to a game in Mackey tell me they were blown away and atmosphere was way better than ass ball. Crean did say that but that was 16 years ago! lol and they’ve consistently disappointed since then. They do have a lot of NIL money and a very talented team who is capable of being a great team but the brand is still not there. Name one recent recruit that didn’t grow up a local indiana fan like Sisley that went to indiana because of the brand? Find me a quote from a recent blue chip recruit or even a transfer that said they are going to indiana because of the brand. It doesn’t exist.
You can not accept it as much as we you want, it doesn't make it any less true. ASS hall isn't the mecca you think it is.
On ass halls best day it can't hold a candle to Mackey. It's jut a fact. Deal with it. I mean our arena was designed by folks that put people on the moon meanwhile yours was designed by folks that put people at the head fry station at Wendys. It's about at "loud" as a semi-busy mall.. thats it. In fact a better name for it is, assemblymall as that is about all it is.
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Players have not been alive when IU was good so they may not know.Assembly can absolutely get loud. But I'll trust the players on who they say is loudest.
What’s the loudest arena in the Big Ten? Players weigh in
Big Ten basketball players' poll: Loudest arena
When was the last time assembly had a reason to be consistently loud for MBB over the course of the season? 2016?
LOL. You are being really defensive. I'm pretty sure I know why.
Assemblymall is the Walmart of the college bball world. You go in there expecting low quality while praying a girder doesn't fall on your head.
Can’t guarantee any Purdue fan verbal attack safety during basketball games. Best to stay far away. I mean hell, them verbal attacks can be emotionally wounding!
Also, for this year’s Bucket game Cig won’t be guaranteeing the physical safety of the Purdue players. But at least the IU fans will be glad to see them and any Purdue fans that want to attend.
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Ohuch eaiser. But Assembly Hall was still mentioned for men's and women's.
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