Win at any cost, reputation be damned.
Most iu fans would.
That's part of what makes rooting against iu so satisfying.
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Most iu fans would.
That's part of what makes rooting against iu so satisfying.
A reputation of winning? What's bad about that?Win at any cost, reputation be damned.
Most iu fans would.
That's part of what makes rooting against iu so satisfying.
Not sure why you are lumping in the current Mark Pope incarnation of UK with the Calipari version. For 2025 UK has two commits and both are in-state players. Those two are very highly rated, but they were UK's priority over highly rated out of state kids.Win at any cost, reputation be damned.
Most iu fans would.
That's part of what makes rooting against iu so satisfying.
If IU gets Mullins and Sisley (and Mullins clearly will be paid well by NIL) why does that make IU more of a 'win at any cost' team than Purdue's current 2025 class of Antoine West Jr. from Ohio, who will also be getting as much NIL as he can (though certainly much less than Mullins or those two UK kids)? Four of Purdue's five 2024 recruits are out-of-state (though one has strong Purdue family ties). I would assume that after the senior year he had, Jacobsen is a fairly expensive NIL get for Purdue, Harris somewhat expensive for a freshman, and the others much less so. Btw, I'm not begrudging Purdue for this at all; they're like most schools -- doing the best they can with the budget available.
So given that it is part of the system and literally every team is paying NIL, what is wrong with a big-budget team prioritizing in-state five stars, and then back-filling with local developmental players and portal additions?
There are different paths to every goal. Which path one chooses says a lot about who they are. That is all.
So do you believe Purdue has been a better program than Kentucky since 2009?
Why 2009? Why not be more current, like 2020? This is the kind of thinking that makes IU fans cherry-pick years to convince themselves that their program has dominated Purdue.
Why 2009? Because 2009 is when Calipari came to Kentucky and essentially made the one and done era what it was. I know exactly what you were trying to get at. That somehow Purdue has some moral high ground because Kentucky went out and recruited at the highest level possible under Calipari. That's why 2009. Can you honestly say Purdue was better than Kentucky under Cals tenure there where he installed the freshman 5* machine? Just because you think they "cheated" means Purdue was better?
Explain what has occurred since 2020. Was Calipari's system better?
I understand your point. Under Knight, IU fans crowed about winning without cheating. Now they are desperate for wins and only care about winning -- by any means.
COVID years and the transfer portal happened. It was more difficult to win with freshmen leading the way against older competition. Along with more transfers into the SEC who were really good at small schools. COVID changed everything. This is the last season of the COVID year as well, so things will start to change again.
And... How exactly is Indiana cheating? By legally paying players?
Curious about the negative inference of “by any means.”
What are the negative means that you see with the current IU program? Simply paying the market NIL rate for portal additions that see their options and choose IU?
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You implied it... Stevie Wonder could see it.
"I understand your point. Under Knight, IU fans crowed about winning without cheating. Now they are desperate for wins and only care about winning -- by any means."
Yeah I can see that was implied. But the means are buying the team. The use of flashing their rings/banner and glory have no value to kids that have never witnessed a good IU team. Let’s be honest, these guys have never seen an iu team get past the sweet 16 and only 3 in their lifetimes. Only 2 big ten champions too. Purdue, Ohio state, wisconsin, Michigan state, and Michigan have more in their lifetimes. Oregon and ucla have had more success and arguably usc and Washington. Is indiana the tenth highest profile basketball program in the big ten in the lifetimes of recruits, putting them in the bottom half. It’s hard to argue they’re better than the other 8.
Maybe so, but Indiana still has that lure, the resources, the fan support, the alumni base. Is it what it used to be? No. But might as well work with what ya got right? If you can go out and get what you need, you've got a duty as a head coach and program to do so.
Nope. You must be more blind than Stevie Wonder. Or terrible reading comprehension. Or you see yourself in my post and don't like what you see. I clearly was talking about IU fans. Over the past several years, many have stated they wanted Calipari for IU's coach. Or Bruce Pearl. Or they wanted Sampson back. They didn't care about cheating, they just wanted IU to win again.
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