Pretty much my point. That's why if you read the rest of my post it addresses the fact that those elite 5*'s are not the only way to win.
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Pretty much my point. That's why if you read the rest of my post it addresses the fact that those elite 5*'s are not the only way to win.
The game winning drive to the bucket on the road (Maryland?) was a set play run for Carsen. That's at least once. Did you see the set play run the fist several possessions of the second half against ISU? The ball at the top of the key, a bckscreen for a vertical cutter going down the lane produces a layup. Next play same set. The cutter uses the screen but the D adjusts so the cutter stops, comes up and back screens the back screener producing another layup. These things are going on all the time and you think the entire game is just running motion. Does the fact that you don't know your ass from a hoop on a glass board ever enter your mind when you write this stuff? Both the offense and the defense change every single game. There are constantly changes made from game to game, half to half, and TV timeout to TV timeout. Just because you don't know enough to recognize it doesn't mean it isn't happening. If you want to say Painters recruiting is not good enough to win a NC you will get no argument from me. It has not been.
But I will call BS to arm chair critics saying that painter or any other coach is inept when you can't possibly know what they teach, how they teach it, or what their game plan is.
All you know is that you don't see a 2-3 zone, therefore he has no creativity or imagination.
Is Bill Self a good coach? I'll assume your answer is yes. Bill employed a zone last night...for about three possessions in the first half. We shredded it. He never used it again. It is not inherently good or bad. It depends on your teams capability to play it and/or your opponents capability to defeat it. If he had played zone all night we would have beaten them and that frankly should never happen.
Those sets are done with similar spacing as the motion. As I've said a couple of times, the isolation I would liked to have seen run for Carsen would be in the pro-set style, not in motion-like spacing.
i don't know the ceiling, but I know they have to attend classes at Purdue and not aware of any prostitutes for the ball team. That can be said for a lot of schools. Certainly Purdue is not a "JOCK" school...
Just for the record I think ONLY Nojel could be considered as a number one target. Louisville and MSU got one each that Purdue wanted bad. Purdue may have done fine, but Purdue missed on two bigs tehy wanted that would have been huge.
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There is no way to have more spacing than five out unless you leave four guys at the other end of the court and send one guy to the basket with the ball.
The only thing that spreads the pro game out is the deeper three point line and wider lane.
You can run motion out of ANY set. Just like you can run plays and isolations from any set.
Please describe the "pro set". Is it five offensive linemen, a QB, two split backs, a tight end , and two wide receivers.
An isolation is a play designed to get the ball handler on one side of the court with only the one other player who is either screening the ball or posting up on the block. Every one else is maneuvering on the other side. Purdue by the way runs this probably more than anything else they do. All that motion is working to set up a post isolation for Biggie or Isaac.
I know what your thinking. You want Carsen to get the isolations.
Why doesn't he? You answered that question in this thread.
You stated that (paraphrasing here) he is the only one who can get to the rim, he doesn't often score but he gets there.
That's why he isn't getting his number called. He occasionally scores but it is blocked or he loses the ball about 75% of the time. He will get better. He will learn when to go to the rim, when to pull up, when to turn and kick out, and when to simply not even go. But this year he was not yet ready to do it against the most elite athletes.
I know you don't like this coaching staff, that's fine, but if your calling for their heads at least have a defensible reason. Don't call out 1970's football base formations as your supporting evidence.
I don't really think Wiscy has had many better athletes necessarily, but they've had far more versatile Bigs.
Jon Leuer, Keaton Nankivil, Kaminsky, Hayes, Happy, and throw Dekker in there.
All can guard multiple positions and (until this season for Hayes) could stretch the defense and make plays one on one.
Plus, then you throw in guys who don't care about stats, play defense and hustle to go with them....yet still able to make a key offensive play......like Bruesewitz, Gasser, and Showalter.....and you have a decent shot.....they've worked that formula well for a while now.
Dakota Girl, where did I say CE doesn't score "most of the time". I might have said that in reference to the Kansas game, but I don't believe that as a general rule. You're twisting my words. I believe a four-out isolation or three-out and a high-ball screen for CE would work more often than many of the sets that are ran in the motion. The motion never has very good spacing, especially when there are two bigs in at the same time.
This year alone...Koenig is a better athlete than 2/3 pg's. Hayes and Happ are both better athlete than Biggie/Haas. I'd say the only real advantage anywhere comes in the two Edwards. As a whole roster, Whisky is more athletic.
I give up Nag. You win. You don't make any sense because you speak without knowledge and don't listen. That is a combination which cannot be helped.
Sure, Koenig is more athletic than PJ, but was not more athletic than Johnny Hill or Jon Octeus, or Ronnie Johnson or Bryson Scott.
But Koenig is far more skilled as a shooter and overall PG than those guys were.
Haas/Happ - agreed, although let's not act like either of them jumps out of the gym.
Koenig is taller than all of Purdue's PG's, but I'm not sure that he's significantly more athletic than them. He's definitely less athletic than CE. I don't believe that Happ is any more of an athlete than Swanigan. They're pretty even in that regard.
Tell me which part of my previous post directed towards you doesn't make sense and explain to me why it doesn't make sense: I'll wait.
EXACTLY! You have to recruit a TEAM! Look at Butler; granted, they didn't get it done this year, but they don't have a superstar, just great team players. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Caleb Swanigan, but he was surrounded with few players that made this a TEAM.
No, this season's Purdue team was "A TEAM" just like Butler, but the players and coaches of both teams have their own unique set of strengths and weaknesses.
Here you go..."I believe a four-out isolation or three-out and a high-ball screen for CE would work more often than many of the sets that are ran inthe motion. The motion never has very good spacing, especially when there are two bigs in at the same time."
Sets define starting positions for either defined single plays, continuity, or rules based motion. An offense can run any of these types of offense from any of the various sets (i.e. 5, 4, or 3 out, 1-4 high, 1-4 low etc.). Some create more space than others.
Therefore you start from a set and run plays, continuity, or motion rules.
Painter, since he is the target of your ire, runs at least two of these three types (not sure about continuity) but definitely motion and plays. So does everybody else!
He used to run high ball screen with baby boilers frequently because he had the personnel. He will again because Carsen will be capable and so will others coming in. Now please put me back on ignore.
You understand what I'm saying. I'm just not using the terminology that you're using. We just don't agree on what would work or not work and part of that is because I would like to new plays and wrinkles but you believe the ones that have been ran or used in the past are just fine.
No. What I am telling you is that the things you want are not new to Painter or any other coach. He has done them before. What you can do well, well being the operative word, is dependent on your players capabilities. I suspect you will see more of the things you desire as Carsen gets more mature and other higher athleticism players arrive. His years team was definitely more of a skills based team and they coached accordingly.
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