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It's down to the final seconds and looks like Marlyand will win, but an observation: Turgeon is not playing Jared Nickens, Dion WIley, and Michal Cekovsky at all. All three of those guys were playing a lot of minutes for them 2 seasons ago. I think Cekovsky might be hurt but still, I'm surprised by the lack of PT those guys are getting. I get starting three freshmen if they're producing, but he's playing them so much (and looking at their MPG for the season) that I wouldn't be surprised if Nickens, Wiley, and Cekovsky decided to transfer out after the season.

Edit: Maryland wins 75-72. They move to 3-1 in conference games and IU drops to 1-3.
 
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nagemj02 said:
It's down to the final seconds and looks like Marlyand will win, but an observation: Turgeon is not playing Jared Nickens, Dion WIley, and Michal Cekovsky at all. All three of those guys were playing a lot of minutes for them 2 seasons ago. I think Cekovsky might be hurt but still, I'm surprised by the lack of PT those guys are getting. I get starting three freshmen if they're producing, but he's playing them so much (and looking at their MPG for the season) that I wouldn't be surprised if Nickens, Wiley, and Cekovsky decided to transfer out after the season.

Edit: Maryland wins 75-72. They move to 3-1 in conference games and IU drops to 1-3.
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Another great coaching job by the Two Tone Tan Man. Live by the three and die by the three.
 
Tom Crean is going to take an Elite 8 team to the NIT. If he doesn't get fired, I'll quit being a fan. Seriously.
 
Indiana already had a triple digit RPI and now drops to 1-3 in the B1G.

Fun as that might be for Purdue fans, it reduces the chance that those games will be opportunities for quality wins. But they're still rivalry games and will still be tough for Purdue.
 
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Elite eight talent? You lost the best player from last year's team that made it to the sweet 16
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I don't necessarily disagree with the original statement. Bryant is an elite big man in the conference and country when he is engaged and motivated and IU has two other top flight scorers who have shown an ability to put up big numbers. I think the issue does truly center around Tom Crean. I think he has a history of making really bad coaching decisions and when he doesn't have great player leadership to pick up the pieces (Yogi for example), his teams seem to really struggle. It is hard to argue with beating Kansas and UNC and not see the potential of this years IU team WHEN they are all engaged, motivated, and well prepared...but it appears TC hasn't been able to find the right buttons to push.
 
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Bryant probably sees himself as an NBA 4 or stretch 5 but as his college coach I would insist that he put his feet in the paint at least once every possession. As is he spends way too much time looking for corner threes. Their entire scheme requires a free path to the lane forcing fully committed help and the sudsequent kick out threes. Without a good clean drive or hitting the threes at a high rate they simply don't know what to do. I watched a few plays where they had three players running the 3 point arc from the base line up and around with about 15 feet between them and Bryant moving in the opposite direction inside the arc setting a series of three screens as he moved toward the baseline from the top. Not one of the cutters ran close enough to Bryant's shoulder to make an effective screen. It's these little details that are killing them. Lots of talent but know one teaching them how to use it.
 
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JohnnyDoeBoiler said:
snowsquirrel11 said:
Elite eight talent? You lost the best player from last year's team that made it to the sweet 16
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I don't necessarily disagree with the original statement. Bryant is an elite big man in the conference and country when he is engaged and motivated and IU has two other top flight scorers who have shown an ability to put up big numbers. I think the issue does truly center around Tom Crean. I think he has a history of making really bad coaching decisions and when he doesn't have great player leadership to pick up the pieces (Yogi for example), his teams seem to really struggle. It is hard to argue with beating Kansas and UNC and not see the potential of this years IU team WHEN they are all engaged, motivated, and well prepared...but it appears TC hasn't been able to find the right buttons to push.
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I think you're overusing the term "elite". Bryant is at best the 3rd best big man in the conference.
 
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BoilerBulldog said:
It's starting to look more and more like those weren't great wins for IU as much as they were bad losses for KU and UNC.
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The Kansas loss had far more to do with what Kansas did (or did not do) than it did IU, and it was the first game of the year...play again, and Kansas not only likely wins, but likely wins quite comfortably.

The UNC loss was in part just because of where it was played...if the game had been in Chapel Hill, not hard at all to imagine the exact reverse having happened.

IU has talent...and depth...it has no leadership at all (on the court, or on the sideline to account for the lack of it on the court), and it is a very selfish team as well...I personally did not think that they would lose 6 games all year potentially, and they have already lost 6 in the first half of the season...that said, they are still a dangerous team due to the talent on the roster...they are a team that not only fits the description, but may be the poster child for it...a team that can win any game just as easily as it could lose any game, one capable of beating anyone, but just as capable of being beat by anyone.
 
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Ya, if this keeps up, Indiana is going to become a team comparable to OSU --- not quite good enough to be considered a "quality win," but talented enough to be very, very hard to beat -- especially for a rival like Purdue.

However we feel about those guys, the B1G really needs one (or both) of those two teams to come through this year.
 
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I think Crean has lost that team or is very close to losing that team. His seat will be on fire by the end of the season.
 
fkfootball said:
I think Crean has lost that team or is very close to losing that team. His seat will be on fire by the end of the season.
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Have IU fans come to the conclusion yet that Blackmon is more negative than positive? Your team really gelled when he went out last season and became a significantly better defensive team. The dude is talented offensively but I don't see him as a great teammate and his apathy toward D is as much a negative as his offense brings.
 
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fkfootball said:
I think Crean has lost that team or is very close to losing that team. His seat will be on fire by the end of the season.
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I can't stand the guy, just as I couldn't stand Sampson or Davis as IU's coach. I said each time one was hired that they were not the right coach, that IU would become just another program under all of them.

Surprise, but I'm going to have to disagree that his seat will be on fire. I don't even believe it's warm at this point. IMO, here's what has to happen for Fred to even consider it:
  • A new scandal of drugs, drinking, or some other act that degrades the school.
  • A total melt down where the team has a horrible record
  • Crean totally losing it as Woody did at OSU.
  • The prominent alumni get tired of the Crean Clown Show and starts pulling donations
  • Along with that, games on TV where Ass Hall is half full, which means no beer, no cokes, no popcorn, no trinkets/shirts sold on game night.
Here's the reason I think he keeps his job:
  • He has won two league titles in the last four years.
  • He's made the Sweet 16 a couple of times
  • He's brought a ton of talent to IU this year and more is coming in '17.
  • His kids, for the most part, graduate
  • Butts in seats is what Fred Glass loves. The school is making money from the program
  • National TV....the best recruiting tool to get students to IU.
  • Fred doesn't listen to the fan base, especially a fanbase on Peegs or here. And he shouldn't.
And, Steve Alford has told those he knows, he will not coach at IU, Bennett will not come to IU, and Brad isn't leaving the Celtics for IU. So you may be stuck with the Clapping Fool for a few more years. And honestly, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
 
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really who cares anymore, IU sucks and are almost irrelevant. You get a coach like that and play that style of ball, there will be years when you completely suck without Yogi type player. I have been enjoying watching Butler, now that is hoops.
 
DG10 said:
The Kansas loss had far more to do with what Kansas did (or did not do) than it did IU, and it was the first game of the year...play again, and Kansas not only likely wins, but likely wins quite comfortably.

The UNC loss was in part just because of where it was played...if the game had been in Chapel Hill, not hard at all to imagine the exact reverse having happened.

IU has talent...and depth...it has no leadership at all (on the court, or on the sideline to account for the lack of it on the court), and it is a very selfish team as well...I personally did not think that they would lose 6 games all year potentially, and they have already lost 6 in the first half of the season...that said, they are still a dangerous team due to the talent on the roster...they are a team that not only fits the description, but may be the poster child for it...a team that can win any game just as easily as it could lose any game, one capable of beating anyone, but just as capable of being beat by anyone.
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Agree completely.
 
DG10 said:
The Kansas loss had far more to do with what Kansas did (or did not do) than it did IU, and it was the first game of the year...play again, and Kansas not only likely wins, but likely wins quite comfortably.

The UNC loss was in part just because of where it was played...if the game had been in Chapel Hill, not hard at all to imagine the exact reverse having happened.

IU has talent...and depth...it has no leadership at all (on the court, or on the sideline to account for the lack of it on the court), and it is a very selfish team as well...I personally did not think that they would lose 6 games all year potentially, and they have already lost 6 in the first half of the season...that said, they are still a dangerous team due to the talent on the roster...they are a team that not only fits the description, but may be the poster child for it...a team that can win any game just as easily as it could lose any game, one capable of beating anyone, but just as capable of being beat by anyone.
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...and they have the athletes with depth that under a certain whistle could give Biggie fits...and that would lead to other problems. Still, a normal brain dead IU team could lose that game other ways...and then again being brain dead and unconscious allolws them freedom wihtout stress to shoot anytime...anywhere that if on spells problems. IU is good enought to beat anyone and bad enough to not win too many in a row against quality teams
 
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Have IU fans come to the conclusion yet that Blackmon is more negative than positive? Your team really gelled when he went out last season and became a significantly better defensive team. The dude is talented offensively but I don't see him as a great teammate and his apathy toward D is as much a negative as his offense brings.
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Could not agree more. He is a total ball hog and takes 3 pointer 8 feet behind the line with 20 seconds left on the shot clock. The only time he passes is when he is out of control driving to the goal and realizes he is going to eat it, so he passes it back out to the top of the key. They have no offense. It is all one-on-one.
 
IU does not have elite 8 talent. You are delusional if you think that. The Kansas game was a complete fluke, and Carolina is not very good.
 
TwinDegrees2 said:
I can't stand the guy, just as I couldn't stand Sampson or Davis as IU's coach. I said each time one was hired that they were not the right coach, that IU would become just another program under all of them.

Surprise, but I'm going to have to disagree that his seat will be on fire. I don't even believe it's warm at this point. IMO, here's what has to happen for Fred to even consider it:
  • A new scandal of drugs, drinking, or some other act that degrades the school.
  • A total melt down where the team has a horrible record
  • Crean totally losing it as Woody did at OSU.
  • The prominent alumni get tired of the Crean Clown Show and starts pulling donations
  • Along with that, games on TV where Ass Hall is half full, which means no beer, no cokes, no popcorn, no trinkets/shirts sold on game night.
Here's the reason I think he keeps his job:
  • He has won two league titles in the last four years.
  • He's made the Sweet 16 a couple of times
  • He's brought a ton of talent to IU this year and more is coming in '17.
  • His kids, for the most part, graduate
  • Butts in seats is what Fred Glass loves. The school is making money from the program
  • National TV....the best recruiting tool to get students to IU.
  • Fred doesn't listen to the fan base, especially a fanbase on Peegs or here. And he shouldn't.
And, Steve Alford has told those he knows, he will not coach at IU, Bennett will not come to IU, and Brad isn't leaving the Celtics for IU. So you may be stuck with the Clapping Fool for a few more years. And honestly, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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If IU fires Crean, their will be a ton of interest in that job. Coaches around the country realize that the only thing wrong with that program is "the coach." Are you telling me that they couldn't at least hire Chris Holtman? Mike Brey? Chris Mack? All upgrades from Crean.
 
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If IU fires Crean, their will be a ton of interest in that job. Coaches around the country realize that the only thing wrong with that program is "the coach." Are you telling me that they couldn't at least hire Chris Holtman? Mike Brey? Chris Mack? All upgrades from Crean.
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The crispy Colonel Sanders would be an upgrade.
 
Boiler Wolf said:
It's tough to follow a coach with the success of Knight. Look at the number of coaches at UCLA since Wooden was there. Holland went to three straight FFs and that wasn't good enough.
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Difference in UCLA and IU is IU doesn't have Walton chirping about Knight all the time and criticizing the new guy the way he does everyone else.
 
fkfootball said:
If IU fires Crean, their will be a ton of interest in that job. Coaches around the country realize that the only thing wrong with that program is "the coach." Are you telling me that they couldn't at least hire Chris Holtman? Mike Brey? Chris Mack? All upgrades from Crean.
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I doubt Brey would leave ND. He's in cush city there. Holtman...maybe, and he is better than Crean. I don't see the love for Mack.
 
Greg Marshall would be an enormous upgrade and I think he would come. Crean's seat is already on fire. The boosters started talking after the Louisville loss. Word is he wouldn't have made it through last season if we'd have lost to ND.
 
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Greg Marshall would be an enormous upgrade and I think he would come. Crean's seat is already on fire. The boosters started talking after the Louisville loss. Word is he wouldn't have made it through last season if we'd have lost to ND.
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There's been "those" rumors about Crean getting canned for years. Yet he's still there, and my guess he'll be there next year unless he decides to leave on his own, which even Crean can't be dumb enough to give up that huge gift of a salary. Would you please tell me why the love affair with Marshall? What makes you think he'd be any better than Crean?
 
TwinDegrees2 said:
There's been "those" rumors about Crean getting canned for years. Yet he's still there, and my guess he'll be there next year unless he decides to leave on his own, which even Crean can't be dumb enough to give up that huge gift of a salary. Would you please tell me why the love affair with Marshall? What makes you think he'd be any better than Crean?
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Because he's as good of an X and Os guy as there is in the country. He's been a coach like 19 years I believe and has finished 1st in his conference 10 of them, 2nd like 4 of them, and 3rd a couple. He took Winthrop to the tourney like 7 times, WS to the FF once and would've done so twice if they'd been in an anyone's bracket but UK the year they were undefeated. UK was a matchup nightmare given their size.

He's not only a great coach he's also extremely consistent. Two qualities that are very appealing when you've suffered through a near decade of the Clapper. The only question is could he recruit. If not we'd basically be Bo Ryan Wisconsin. If so maybe Duke. I'm not worried as Mike Davis and Kelvin Sampson each landed multiple burger boys, and Crean has landed like 5 of them. None are elite recruiters.
 
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If IU fires Crean, their will be a ton of interest in that job. Coaches around the country realize that the only thing wrong with that program is "the coach." Are you telling me that they couldn't at least hire Chris Holtman? Mike Brey? Chris Mack? All upgrades from Crean.
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Not sure on Holtman. He seems very happy at Butler and his pay is competitive with most mid pack P5 schools. Sure IU could offer more money but it's a very similar job to ND football HC. And the same fan base.

We'll see. I'd hate to lose Holtmann.
 
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Because he's as good of an X and Os guy as there is in the country. He's been a coach like 19 years I believe and has finished 1st in his conference 10 of them, 2nd like 4 of them, and 3rd a couple. He took Winthrop to the tourney like 7 times, WS to the FF once and would've done so twice if they'd been in an anyone's bracket but UK the year they were undefeated. UK was a matchup nightmare given their size.

He's not only a great coach he's also extremely consistent. Two qualities that are very appealing when you've suffered through a near decade of the Clapper. The only question is could he recruit. If not we'd basically be Bo Ryan Wisconsin. If so maybe Duke. I'm not worried as Mike Davis and Kelvin Sampson each landed multiple burger boys, and Crean has landed like 5 of them. None are elite recruiters.
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Marshall has always reminded me of Tom Crean the way he looks and acts. I don't know that the IU Nation could stand another one back to back. :D
 
fkfootball said:
If IU fires Crean, their will be a ton of interest in that job. Coaches around the country realize that the only thing wrong with that program is "the coach." Are you telling me that they couldn't at least hire Chris Holtman? Mike Brey? Chris Mack? All upgrades from Crean.
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I would be surprised if Brey would be interested. That said Mack maybe...Hotman I don't know. Every situation is different.
 
boilerzz said:
Have IU fans come to the conclusion yet that Blackmon is more negative than positive? Your team really gelled when he went out last season and became a significantly better defensive team. The dude is talented offensively but I don't see him as a great teammate and his apathy toward D is as much a negative as his offense brings.
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Blackmon is too busy showboating on the offensive end to play any defense....He would be a great 6 on 6 player
 
Brey wouldn't even crack the top 15 of realistic options. The last 2 coaching searches we landed a Final 4 coach from a major conference, and our program is in much better shape today than it was in either of them. We'll get someone elite assuming Glass doesn't blow it.
 
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