Nojel didn’t get into Michigan if anyone cares

[Wolegib]

I hold degrees from 4 Universities. And I attended 6-7 collecting a course here and there.

I did have one Problem with my Purdue credits. At the time Purdue English 101 and 102 were 2 credit courses. At UTSA, they required 6 credits of English. So I took another English course. Issue solved.

I also had an issue transferring credits from Weber State to Purdue. Weber State was on a quarter basis. So I provided a description of the course, it was reviewed and it was ok as long as I was able to have the minimum credits to graduate. Again, simple issue- case solved.

UTSA also required that I take a course in Texas history. So I did. Case solved.

a question I have. Wasn’t there something introduced a few years ago that an athlete had to have so many credits towards progress in their Major to be labeled for that education level? And there were entrance requirements required to admittance into each School? Like you took general classes like chemistry and Calculus etc before being accepted into the Purdue School of Science or Engineering management etc? Perhaps he had enough credits, But not enough of his chosen major to be accepted into his school. My son had a similar hurdle for his Sports Administration degree at SIU. But again he had the right credits and was admitted to his school without incident.

I hate to say it, but as a parent of an athlete, I have personal knowledge that at every school there are educational specialists who make sure students get their correct classes and also attend them. I was also a college tutor and instructor at a junior college.

I can think of no reason for any student or athlete to be denied admission To any University with a few possible exceptions. The biggest reason is failure to complete required classes. A person can only take so many golf, swimming and dance classes. You are expected to actually take classes that are part of your major.

the biggest issue is with today’s technology if you are short 1-5 classes, there are so many online courses you can complete that will fill that void and be accepted. However, you do have to actually take them and they are harder than one might be led to believe. Since his announcement to transfer and today is about the right length to take and complete an online course. Unfortunately most online courses don’t play favorites.

I’m a single parent kid. I remember my mom’s involvement in my College education. Her philosophy was that it was my education and also MY RESPONSIBILITY! And it was the same way with my son

 

[Wolegib]

There was another post by a well respected poster that speculated He would never play a game in a Michigan uniform and his most likely destination this year would be in one of the minor pro leagues rather than at a school.

On a related note, didn’t Michigan get a commitment from another guard about a week after he committed?

Last question. Was it ever confirmed if he Ever received a scholarship? Committing to Michigan is a lot different than receiving a scholarship. Michigan is a very expensive school for out of state students.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

and not surprised....at all.

 

[mathboy]

There was another post by a well respected poster that speculated He would never play a game in a Michigan uniform and his most likely destination this year would be in one of the minor pro leagues rather than at a school.

On a related note, didn’t Michigan get a commitment from another guard about a week after he committed?

Last question. Was it ever confirmed if he Ever received a scholarship? Committing to Michigan is a lot different than receiving a scholarship. Michigan is a very expensive school for out of state students.

There are some unverified rumors that Nojel never received an offer from Michigan. He announced it, momma puffed out her chest, then the offer never materialized. In fact my source says Howard called Matt Painter to make sure our coach knew the situation, that Howard never intended to make an offer.

this really sucks for Nojel. He is a good kid that has made some bad choices. I hope he can find a better path that gets him back on a basketball court. It sure as hell won’t be in a Purdue uniform.

 

[JohnHoosierr]

One way or another this was bound to happen. Crazy how much damage she's done to his basketball career. Just glad Painter and the team can move forward and no longer have to deal with treed and all the baggage she brings.

 

[Boiler Boy]

I believe Howard is on record saying they wouldn’t take him if he had to sit a year. They wanted him for this year only

 

[Boileratthebeach]

There are some unverified rumors that Nojel never received an offer from Michigan. He announced it, momma puffed out her chest, then the offer never materialized. In fact my source says Howard called Matt Painter to make sure our coach knew the situation, that Howard never intended to make an offer.

this really sucks for Nojel. He is a good kid that has made some bad choices. I hope he can find a better path that gets him back on a basketball court. It sure as hell won’t be in a Purdue uniform.

That's absolutely what happened. This story makes no sense on so many levels:

1) Credits not transferring...ok so some credits don't transfer but some do. All that means is that you might have been one year away from graduating at Purdue but because they don't all transfer so he's two years away from graduating at Michigan. Hell even if none of them didn't transfer he could still be admitted as a true freshman. Point is credit transfers are not the reason for non admittance.
2) Wouldn't someone have already looked at his transcript if in fact Michigan was interested? Pretty sure during the recruiting process in high school, grades, etc. are clearly evaluated early on. And on the flip side, you think a kid is going to pick a school to transfer without knowing how his credits are going to transfer and what his path to graduation would look like? Doubt it. He probably had to go through the normal admission process like a regular student transfer and is now learning something.
3) He probably thought he would transfer and then try and earn a spot as a walk on. How that in anyone's mind would come to fruition is beyond me though.

Wait for Howard to publicly rebuke this statement. Dumb gets dumber waiting for dumbest yet.

Finally is anyone else not annoyed by the grammatical errors and typos in his statement? I mean cmon. He clearly didn't attend enough classes at Purdue.

 

[wolvermaker]

New poster here (undergrad UM, PhD Purdue). My understanding is Eastern's major at Purdue is in Sales/Marketing and that Michigan doesn't have a comparable degree, but does have Marketing in the Business School which not just anybody can transfer into (similar to Kranert). I would guess that he could transfer to Michigan, but not into Marketing, and too many of his transfer courses would only count as electives. IOW, he would have to change majors and probably be two semesters or so behind what he was at Purdue. Michigan is pretty finicky about transfer credits, which is why you rarely see Juco athletes transferring there.

 

[Level 42]

It really pains me to see this happen and also to know that I spent so much time defending him and his mom on here. I don't necessarily regret doing that and will again in a second, but the utter stab in the back is what gets me the most.

This is karma punching them both squarely in the face.

 

[GABoilermakers]

I hate to pile on, but he wasn't admitted because of many credits that didn't transfer because of his major?

Exactly what credits wouldn't transfer from Purdue to Michigan? Did he suddenly change his major to aeronautical engineering or molecular biology?

also, credits transferring has nothing to do with being accepted. If Michigan wanted him, he’d simply have been accepted just with fewer credits, which isn’t uncommon as a senior to be.

 

[BoilerJS]

Detroit Free Press Article

So Purdue credits aren't good enough to transfer into UM's general studies program?
I'd suggest Nojel's Purdue credits weren't enough to get him a UM degree so he could transfer as a graduate and not sit a year.
Howard wasn't wasting 2 years on Nojel. He needs immediate help.

 

[njm8845]

also, credits transferring has nothing to do with being accepted. If Michigan wanted him, he’d simply have been accepted just with fewer credits, which isn’t uncommon as a senior to be.

this exactly.

It’s two separate issues. the number of credits that would transfer don’t affect whether or not you get admitted.

it’s not like Michigan says “you wouldn’t have enough credits to transfer here, so we’re not going to admit you”

this weird concept, along with the fact that UM never officially recognized him, makes me pretty certain that an offer was never formally issued.

 

[Spinn]

This was Howard's way of giving Eastern an "out" and not be overly embarrassed by not being given a scholarship.

 

[boilerHup]

I think Kelsey Barlow summed it up well a few months ago when he posted about his book. If a school wants you, they will make it work to get you in.

This is also true of job offers and relationships

 

[lbodel]

I don't understand the "credits didn't transfer" story as a school will usually accept credits without a grade. What was his major? This is a bit of an insult to Purdue if true.

Selling and sales management is what is on his Purdue bio.

I don't know much about that major.

Transferring credits isn't always easy if there's not a comparable major -- selling and sales management isn't in Krannert, so I doubt it transfers into Michigan's even better business school.

That being said, it's a P-5 basketball program...if they want a player they'll get him in.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Selling and sales management is what is on his Purdue bio.

I don't know much about that major.

Transferring credits isn't always easy if there's not a comparable major -- selling and sales management isn't in Krannert, so I doubt it transfers into Michigan's even better business school.

That being said, it's a P-5 basketball program...if they want a player they'll get him in.

My guess is, Michigan wanted him only if he got a waiver and was able to play right away, and they have since found out he wouldn’t.

 

[mathboy]

What does Nojel do now?

 

[njm8845]

Selling and sales management is what is on his Purdue bio.

I don't know much about that major.

Transferring credits isn't always easy if there's not a comparable major -- selling and sales management isn't in Krannert, so I doubt it transfers into Michigan's even better business school.

That being said, it's a P-5 basketball program...if they want a player they'll get him in.

credit transfers are indeed complicated.

But he could have had 0 credits transfer and still been accepted.

so he’s either misinformed or lying when he says “that’s the only reason I wasn’t accepted.”

 

[lbodel]

credit transfers are indeed complicated.

But he could have had 0 credits transfer and still been accepted.

so he’s either misinformed or lying when he says “that’s the only reason I wasn’t accepted.”

That's why I said if they wanted him, they would have gotten him.

 

[Level 42]

What does Nojel do now?

MAC school or overseas.

 

[70boiler]

New poster here (undergrad UM, PhD Purdue). My understanding is Eastern's major at Purdue is in Sales/Marketing and that Michigan doesn't have a comparable degree, but does have Marketing in the Business School which not just anybody can transfer into (similar to Kranert). I would guess that he could transfer to Michigan, but not into Marketing, and too many of his transfer courses would only count as electives. IOW, he would have to change majors and probably be two semesters or so behind what he was at Purdue. Michigan is pretty finicky about transfer credits, which is why you rarely see Juco athletes transferring there.

Selling and sales management is what is on his Purdue bio.

I don't know much about that major.

Transferring credits isn't always easy if there's not a comparable major -- selling and sales management isn't in Krannert, so I doubt it transfers into Michigan's even better business school.

That being said, it's a P-5 basketball program...if they want a player they'll get him in.

credit transfers are indeed complicated.

But he could have had 0 credits transfer and still been accepted.

so he’s either misinformed or lying when he says “that’s the only reason I wasn’t accepted.”

These are pretty convincing thoughts...

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This is all just a sad ending to what should have been a positive outcome. Now it's a case study and cautionary tale for intercollegiate athletes and their parents alike.

It's a shame that Nojel squandered his senior year, another chance to demonstrate his elite defensive ability, a potential third Big Ten championship, and, most importantly, a degree from Purdue University.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

So Purdue credits aren't good enough to transfer into UM's general studies program?
I'd suggest Nojel's Purdue credits weren't enough to get him a UM degree so he could transfer as a graduate and not sit a year.
Howard wasn't wasting 2 years on Nojel. He needs immediate help.

If he were to be a graduate transfer he would be doing it after getting a PURDUE degree, not a Michigan degree. And after all of this, it's very hard to see the possibility of him graduating from anywhere in 3 years, even plus a summer.

 

[purduepat1969]

What does Nojel do now?

Just ask his mom...

 

[Chuchumutha]

Ron Patterson, not Hollowell

Thanks. My bad.

 

[SIBoiler2]

MAC school or overseas.

IF he can catch on with an overseas team it is his best bet. Anything in D1 would require sitting out a year no matter the conference.

 

[FleeTheScene]

Nojel isn't asking my opinion but why even try to transfer to another college at this point? He'll have to sit and even if he doesn't, what is the end game that he couldn't achieve by playing overseas now? He's not an NBA player, going through the pre-draft process again has shown him that, so why not look to get paid now in one of the international leagues? There are all different levels of competition out there and he was able to contribute on a top 25 ncaa team so he would probably have a very nice career so long as he understands and executes in a role that fits his skill set.

 

[Emartin70287]

IF he can catch on with an overseas team it is his best bet. Anything in D1 would require sitting out a year no matter the conference.

except coming back to purdue. that wouldnt require sitting out.

 

[PurduePete98]

except coming back to purdue. that wouldnt require sitting out.

We don't need/want him back. We have 6 solid guards. It's likely his minutes would have decreased dramatically this coming season.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Nojel isn't asking my opinion but why even try to transfer to another college at this point? He'll have to sit and even if he doesn't, what is the end game that he couldn't achieve by playing overseas now? He's not an NBA player, going through the pre-draft process again has shown him that, so why not look to get paid now in one of the international leagues? There are all different levels of competition out there and he was able to contribute on a top 25 ncaa team so he would probably have a very nice career so long as he understands and executes in a role that fits his skill set.

This. Go make 6 figures for 10-12 years, save your money, then come back and pay to finish your education later.

 

[jeremyfrank33]

This. Go make 6 figures for 10-12 years, save your money, then come back and pay to finish your education later.

I heard the Purdue TBT team needs one more player...

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Didn't he need to graduate from Purdue to play immediately at Michigan or any other D1 school without a waiver? Or Did that rule Just change?

 

[Inkjet200]

This. Go make 6 figures for 10-12 years, save your money, then come back and pay to finish your education later.

I think it is better to go straight through. To each their own.

 

[SIBoiler2]

except coming back to purdue. that wouldnt require sitting out.

Never gonna happen. Too many bridges burned.

 

[lbodel]

This. Go make 6 figures for 10-12 years, save your money, then come back and pay to finish your education later.

It really depends what league -- there's some myth that there's an eternal fountain of 6 figure contracts in Europe.

Unless you're really in the top league, the average salary for a somewhat high level league in Europe is $40-60k. 1 or 2 players may make $100k on that team. And many are making $30-40k (or less).

Of course, there's other perks -- it's not taxed, they often get a place to live so they don't pay housing costs, etc.

Someone like Willie Deane - he was a "star" player in Europe and played in the best league. He was making 6 figures as a star player (and obviously was a scorer...)

Of course, if you want to keep playing basketball there is ample opportunity. Even making $40k tax-free with housing paid for you can live comfortably -- while criss-crossing Europe. Not a bad gig at all.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

It really depends what league -- there's some myth that there's an eternal fountain of 6 figure contracts in Europe.

Unless you're really in the top league, the average salary for a somewhat high level league in Europe is $40-60k. 1 or 2 players may make $100k on that team. And many are making $30-40k (or less).

Of course, there's other perks -- it's not taxed, they often get a place to live so they don't pay housing costs, etc.

Someone like Willie Deane - he was a "star" player in Europe and played in the best league. He was making 6 figures as a star player (and obviously was a scorer...)

Of course, if you want to keep playing basketball there is ample opportunity. Even making $40k tax-free with housing paid for you can live comfortably -- while criss-crossing Europe. Not a bad gig at all.

I personally know 2 guys who played in Europe, and I feel pretty confident Nojel could make low 6 figures somewhere overseas. Well, at least pre-COVID. Who knows now.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Didn't he need to graduate from Purdue to play immediately at Michigan or any other D1 school without a waiver? Or Did that rule Just change?

Kids get waivers like crazy lately. DJ Carton from Ohio State just got a waiver to play next season at Marquette. He was the player who left Ohio State because of mental issues. Sometimes there's no rhyme or reason as to who gets a waiver and who doesn't. I wouldn't think Eastern would be able to get one but who knows.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I think it is better to go straight through. To each their own.

Well sure, but that’s water under the bridge now.

I think financially he’d be better off playing for money now, rather than sitting a year, then playing another year for free, at a MAC/WAC type school, which is probably where he will end up now.

 

[Spinn]

This. Go make 6 figures for 10-12 years, save your money, then come back and pay to finish your education later.

He won't make 6 figures for a long time. It will me like starting in AAA baseball and having to work his way up. Some clubs pay as low as 1k per month.

 

[BoilerJS]

If he were to be a graduate transfer he would be doing it after getting a PURDUE degree, not a Michigan degree. And after all of this, it's very hard to see the possibility of him graduating from anywhere in 3 years, even plus a summer.

I know, I was being sarcastic.
The only way he was going to be accepted by UM was if he had graduated. So I was joking that his Purdue credits wouldn't allow him to get a UM under grad degree so he could apply for grad school and play right away.
I guess I need to be more specific.