My take on Iowa

[SDBoiler1]

I think after the game you will have a little different opinion of Iowa's offense. They don't put up gaudy stats, but they are definitely better than the national reputation.

Iowa gains ~320 ypg, right?

I think Iowa is efficient on offense. They are fundamentally-sound. Opponents can’t allow Iowa to run with impunity - especially Purdue. Iowa’s offense is not designed to chuck the ball around the yard. Iowa doesn’t have scary WRs. They have tough WRs who get open but don’t scare you with speed or athleticism. They don’t have a Rondale Moore or a David Bell.

Not saying this to impugn Iowa’s offense, QB, or WRs. Iowa scores in the red zone. Purdue has not been scoring in the red zone lately, at least not TDs.

 

[SDBoiler1]

I think after the game you will have a little different opinion of Iowa's offense. They don't put up gaudy stats, but they are definitely better than the national reputation.

That may well be true.

 

[BigAssTurkeyLeg]

Iowa gains ~320 ypg, right?

I think Iowa is efficient on offense. They are fundamentally-sound. Opponents can’t allow Iowa to run with impunity - especially Purdue. Iowa’s offense is not designed to chuck the ball around the yard. Iowa doesn’t have scary WRs. They have tough WRs who get open but don’t scare you with speed or athleticism. They don’t have a Rondale Moore or a David Bell.

Not saying this to impugn Iowa’s offense, QB, or WRs. Iowa scores in the red zone. Purdue has not been scoring in the red zone lately, at least not TDs.

Oh yeah I largely agree. Efficiency and not turning the ball over are the main calling cards. Petras gets a lot of flack from our fans and media, but he's actually a pretty good QB. He makes 3-4 plays a game that end up winning the game. We do have some young talent at WR this year that is getting more reps and becoming more of a focus for our offense. Two 4* true freshman WR Arland Bruce and Keagan Johnson are coming along and adding a little more explosiveness. Also our RB is really dangerous in space and a big threat in the passing game.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Oh yeah I largely agree. Efficiency and not turning the ball over are the main calling cards. Petras gets a lot of flack from our fans and media, but he's actually a pretty good QB. He makes 3-4 plays a game that end up winning the game. We do have some young talent at WR this year that is getting more reps and becoming more of a focus for our offense. Two 4* true freshman WR Arland Bruce and Keagan Johnson are coming along and adding a little more explosiveness. Also our RB is really dangerous in space and a big threat in the passing game.

I think #15 is an underrated RB. I wish Purdue had him. Bruce and Johnson have made some nice plays in the last few games. Charlie Jones seems to have good hands. LaPorta is a very good TE. Iowa always seems to have good TEs - guys who play on Sundays.

Fundamentally, if Purdue turns the ball over against Iowa and gives Iowa a short field, Purdue loses. I question whether a team can generate 3 TOs a game and convert them at the rate Iowa has been for a full season. Things have a way of evening out. Purdue has forced almost no TOs this season so far but only gives up 15.4 ppg and ~ 300 ypg on average.

I am curious to see how Iowa’s offense does against our aggressive, attacking defense. Purdue needs to be sound and can’t get burned over the heads of the Safeties.

 

[BigAssTurkeyLeg]

I think #15 is an underrated RB. I wish Purdue had him. Bruce and Johnson have made some nice plays in the last few games. Charlie Jones seems to have good hands. LaPorta is a very good TE. Iowa always seems to have good TEs - guys who play on Sundays.

Fundamentally, if Purdue turns the ball over against Iowa and gives Iowa a short field, Purdue loses. I question whether a team can generate 3 TOs a game and convert them at the rate Iowa has been for a full season. Things have a way of evening out. Purdue has forced almost no TOs this season so far but only gives up 15.4 ppg and ~ 300 ypg on average.

I am curious to see how Iowa’s offense does against our aggressive, attacking defense. Purdue needs to be sound and can’t get burned over the heads of the Safeties.

Totally agree. I think the key from Iowa's perspective is going to be whether or not our OL can give Petras just enough time and if our WRs can win a few one on one matchups to slow down your attacking Lbs and safeties. If Iowa's WR can, I see a 10-14 pt Iowa win. If they can't I see a slugfest that goes either way with the winner winning by 3-7 points.

 

[BrewHawk]

The teams that give Iowa fits usually load the box and are able to play man on the perimeter. Run blitz to the play-side and are able to generate a pass rush with 4 guys. This is mostly what Penn St. did to contain the offense in the first half. However, when you look at the second half numbers, Iowa was able to get some traction.

The OL is young and has a steep learning curve. They had poor tempo to start the game, but settled in and did a decent job in the second half. Goodson can make a big play out of a small space. Johnson will only become more a part of the offense and is our most gifted receiver along with Jones.

I see growth week to week with our offense. Our defense was ready to go to start the season. If/when the offense becomes above average, Iowa is going to be one heck of a tough out.

All this said with our punter being the best position for position player on the team.

 

[SDBoiler1]

The teams that give Iowa fits usually load the box and are able to play man on the perimeter. Run blitz to the play-side and are able to generate a pass rush with 4 guys. This is mostly what Penn St. did to contain the offense in the first half. However, when you look at the second half numbers, Iowa was able to get some traction.

The OL is young and has a steep learning curve. They had poor tempo to start the game, but settled in and did a decent job in the second half. Goodson can make a big play out of a small space. Johnson will only become more a part of the offense and is our most gifted receiver along with Jones.

I see growth week to week with our offense. Our defense was ready to go to start the season. If/when the offense becomes above average, Iowa is going to be one heck of a tough out.

All this said with our punter being the best position for position player on the team.

Against PSU I was surprised at some of the shots Petras took on blitzes. To his credit he missed few if any plays. He got plastered on a few of those blitzes. Early in the game, that one shot hurt just watching it on TV.

 

[Bippus33]

George is the most physically dominant player we’ve had probably since rod woodson. Single blocking him would be a mistake by any team

Ok, I`ll Bite. Not throwing shade on GK but when do you remember him dominating or taking over a game like Woodson, Kerrigan and Short did at their respective positions on multiple occasions?????
Just a question.....

 

[BrewHawk]

Against PSU I was surprised at some of the shots Petras took on blitzes. To his credit he missed few if any plays. He got plastered on a few of those blitzes. Early in the game, that one shot hurt just watching it on TV.

Yeah, just not quick enough to get out of the way. Plus, PSU has a ton of speed in their back seven.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Ok, I`ll Bite. Not throwing shade on GK but when do you remember him dominating or taking over a game like Woodson, Kerrigan and Short did at their respective positions on multiple occasions?????
Just a question.....

Or Roosevelt Colvin? Akin Ayodele?

 

[SDBoiler1]

Yeah, just not quick enough to get out of the way. Plus, PSU has a ton of speed in their back seven.

I give him credit for his toughness. That one shot would have knocked some other QBs out of the game. It looked like it hurt bad. He kind of limped off the field but came back next series like it never happened.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Or Roosevelt Colvin? Akin Ayodele?

I'll throw another one out there who gets forgotten some....played on under-whelming teams, which is part of it.......Jeff Zgonina was a "Hoss and a Half" as Keith Jackson would say.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Ok, I`ll Bite. Not throwing shade on GK but when do you remember him dominating or taking over a game like Woodson, Kerrigan and Short did at their respective positions on multiple occasions?????
Just a question.....

He doesn’t have a player near his caliber in the front seven, so you can triple team him. What do you think happens if you triple team Shaun Phillips?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Or Roosevelt Colvin? Akin Ayodele?

You’re not serious … please tell me you aren’t. We will see come draft day

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

You’re not serious … please tell me you aren’t. We will see come draft day

It will be tough to see Big George go, but he will do very well, IMO. I've seen him generally projected anywhere from 6-15 with many in the top 10. Thibodeaux likely to be the first lineman taken (if not overall #1). Eagles, Lions, and Jets (oh my!) have extra 1st round picks, although that could change before draft day.

Philadelphia could be in that 7-9 range with a second first rounder from Miami.

 

[SDBoiler1]

You’re not serious … please tell me you aren’t. We will see come draft day

Both of these guys played multiple years in the NFL. Shaun Phillips, too. Rosie won a couple of Super Bowl rings with the Pats.

George Karlaftis is a stud. He gets double and triple teamed most of the time. If you look at ability to rush the passer Colvin, Ayodele, and Phillips were among the best I’ve ever seen. Colvin and Phillips were very quick and strong.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Both of these guys played multiple years in the NFL. Shaun Phillips, too. Rosie won a couple of Super Bowl rings with the Pats.

George Karlaftis is a stud. He gets double and triple teamed most of the time. If you look at ability to rush the passer Colvin, Ayodele, and Phillips were among the best I’ve ever seen. Colvin and Phillips were very quick and strong.

I didn’t say they weren’t good. George being more physically dominant doesn’t mean those guys suck. There is a reason he’s gonna go first round though

 

[CRWash63]

Penn St would have won if QB wouldn’t have got hurt

IF IF IF IF - IF WISHES WERE HORSES; BEGGARS WOULD RIDE. GO HAWKS!

 

[cidsports]

Using Iowa and “explosive plays” in the same sentence is an oxymoron. Iowa’s offense is a lot of good things, but explosive is not one of them.

Are you saying James Franklin lied that Iowa beat Penn State in the explosive plays column?

A 44 yard TD is an explosive play I believe most coaches would say.

Freshman Keagan Johnson had his third 40+ yard reception of the season, with one against PSU setting up a field goal.

Iowa's defense held Penn State to one play over 30 yards.

Thus the comment.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Are you saying James Franklin lied that Iowa beat Penn State in the explosive plays column?

A 44 yard TD is an explosive play I believe most coaches would say.

Freshman Keagan Johnson had his third 40+ yard reception of the season, with one against PSU setting up a field goal.

Iowa's defense held Penn State to one play over 30 yards.

Thus the comment.

Iowa is a formidable foe

 

[PaBoiler78]

Are you saying James Franklin lied that Iowa beat Penn State in the explosive plays column?

A 44 yard TD is an explosive play I believe most coaches would say.

Freshman Keagan Johnson had his third 40+ yard reception of the season, with one against PSU setting up a field goal.

Iowa's defense held Penn State to one play over 30 yards.

Thus the comment.

what did Capt. Kirk say about Franklin's accusations ( supposedly fired back at Franklin) for something?

 

[SDBoiler1]

Are you saying James Franklin lied that Iowa beat Penn State in the explosive plays column?

A 44 yard TD is an explosive play I believe most coaches would say.

Freshman Keagan Johnson had his third 40+ yard reception of the season, with one against PSU setting up a field goal.

Iowa's defense held Penn State to one play over 30 yards.

Thus the comment.

Even if he did say it, 1 game doesn’t make Iowa’s offense explosive. You guys -320 ypg. Even against Colorado State you had trouble moving the ball.

Also, Purdue hasn’t been explosive the last few weeks either, but we average almost 418 ypg.

 

[StallmanCurse]

Even if he did say it, 1 game doesn’t make Iowa’s offense explosive. You guys -320 ypg. Even against Colorado State you had trouble moving the ball.

Also, Purdue hasn’t been explosive the last few weeks either, but we average almost 418 ypg.

Total yardage has nothing to do with explosiveness. What a strange post.

 

[DodgerHawki]

I think #15 is an underrated RB. I wish Purdue had him. Bruce and Johnson have made some nice plays in the last few games. Charlie Jones seems to have good hands. LaPorta is a very good TE. Iowa always seems to have good TEs - guys who play on Sundays.

Fundamentally, if Purdue turns the ball over against Iowa and gives Iowa a short field, Purdue loses. I question whether a team can generate 3 TOs a game and convert them at the rate Iowa has been for a full season. Things have a way of evening out. Purdue has forced almost no TOs this season so far but only gives up 15.4 ppg and ~ 300 ypg on average.

I am curious to see how Iowa’s offense does against our aggressive, attacking defense. Purdue needs to be sound and can’t get burned over the heads of the Safeties.

Yeah there is a myth that Iowa just has no skill talent whatsoever. They don't have the explosive players of OSU, Michigan, PSU or even a David Bell, but they do have some guys who can make big plays. Goodson has scoring runs this year of 55, 46, 35, and 67 yards. If a play is blocked really well and/or the defense gets mis-aligned, he does have the ability to make a defender miss and go the distance. You hit on the players that are likely to make plays for Iowa. Ragaini, the WR, scored on a 43-yard pass to win the game against PSU.

Yes, it will be interesting to see how Iowa does against Purdue's defense. Iowa will have to try and hit some big plays, I just don't think that Iowa will be in a position to grind out long drives. Purdue's defense just won't let you play that way.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Total yardage has nothing to do with explosiveness. What a strange post.

Total yardage is surely an indication of explosiveness. Iowa has a pedestrian offense. Are you arguing they don’t?

 

[FirstDownB]

Even if he did say it, 1 game doesn’t make Iowa’s offense explosive. You guys -320 ypg. Even against Colorado State you had trouble moving the ball.

Also, Purdue hasn’t been explosive the last few weeks either, but we average almost 418 ypg.

CID was pretty clear in his original post that Iowa is simply making more explosive plays than their opponents. Not that they are an 'explosive offense'. He's clarified this context a couple times. It's really a statement as much about their defense as their offense. Not sure why the need to drag this out.

 

[soybean]

Total yardage is surely an indication of explosiveness. Iowa has a pedestrian offense. Are you arguing they don’t?

Stats are for losers, points are for winners.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Stats are for losers, points are for winners.

It’s one hell of a lot easier to score points when your defense forces a +15 TO margin and you constantly give your offense short fields.

I guess ppg isn’t a stat? WTF. What an ungifted comment by you.

 

[StallmanCurse]

Total yardage is surely an indication of explosiveness. Iowa has a pedestrian offense. Are you arguing they don’t?

No, it isn't at all. The two can correlate, but it's not causation. An offense can put up a ton of yards without being explosive.

Let me copy and paste my previous reply to you on the subject. Maybe you didn't see it, or maybe you didn't respond because it doesn't fit your narrative. See below...

They're basically middle of the pack within the conference:
12th in 10+ yard scrimmage plays
7th in 20+
8th in 30+
6th in 40+

But the direct quote was, "more explosive plays than their opponents." Which is entirely correct within that context. Long scrimmage plays gained vs allowed:

(10+) 61 vs 54
(20+) 22 vs 14
(30+) 11 vs 8
(40+) 8 vs 3

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Can I safely assume you believe Purdue also has a pedestrian offense, as they trail Iowa in explosiveness and scoring offense?

 

[khael-hawk]

what did Capt. Kirk say about Franklin's accusations ( supposedly fired back at Franklin) for something?

He didn't specifically state anything, but he definitely drew the outline and printed the color numbers so you could read them

Said Iowa fans aren't stupid and they felt like they could smell a rat. Pointed out how we have people on staff that are aware of that type of stuff going on elsewhere, and even know what their code words were for when it was called for.

 

[SDBoiler1]

No, it isn't at all. The two can correlate, but it's not causation. An offense can put up a ton of yards without being explosive.

Let me copy and paste my previous reply to you on the subject. Maybe you didn't see it, or maybe you didn't respond because it doesn't fit your narrative. See below...

They're basically middle of the pack within the conference:
12th in 10+ yard scrimmage plays
7th in 20+
8th in 30+
6th in 40+

But the direct quote was, "more explosive plays than their opponents." Which is entirely correct within that context. Long scrimmage plays gained vs allowed:

(10+) 61 vs 54
(20+) 22 vs 14
(30+) 11 vs 8
(40+) 8 vs 3

____

Can I safely assume you believe Purdue also has a pedestrian offense, as they trail Iowa in explosiveness and scoring offense?

You completely ignored the comment I made to another Hawkeyes fan in this thread. Iowa is +15 in TO margin. Iowa has scored many of their points, due to the TOs, with short fields. It’s a lot easier to score when starting at the opponents 30 games yard line or better, right? Or even just on the opponent’s side of the field?

At some point Iowa’s going to start NOT generating 3 TOs/game (reversion to the mean - things start evening out). Then what do they do? What do they do when they have to drive 80+ yards?

 

[SDBoiler1]

No, it isn't at all. The two can correlate, but it's not causation. An offense can put up a ton of yards without being explosive.

Let me copy and paste my previous reply to you on the subject. Maybe you didn't see it, or maybe you didn't respond because it doesn't fit your narrative. See below...

They're basically middle of the pack within the conference:
12th in 10+ yard scrimmage plays
7th in 20+
8th in 30+
6th in 40+

But the direct quote was, "more explosive plays than their opponents." Which is entirely correct within that context. Long scrimmage plays gained vs allowed:

(10+) 61 vs 54
(20+) 22 vs 14
(30+) 11 vs 8
(40+) 8 vs 3

____

Can I safely assume you believe Purdue also has a pedestrian offense, as they trail Iowa in explosiveness and scoring offense?

Do you honestly think Purdue has a pedestrian offense? (I don’t.) One that seems to give Parker as much trouble as anyone in the BIG every year?

 

[StallmanCurse]

You completely ignored the comment I made to another Hawkeyes fan in this thread. Iowa is +15 in TO margin. Iowa has scored many of their points, due to the TOs, with short fields. It’s a lot easier to score when start at the opponents 30 games yard line or better, right? Or even just on the opponent’s side of the field?

At some point Iowa’s going to start NOT generating 3 TOs/game (reversion to the mean - things start evening out). Then what do they do? What do they do when they have to drive 80+ yards?

As you completely ignored my original comment, twice now. You want to use turnover margin to discount Iowa's ppg, but also penalize their total yardage. Stop talking out both sides of your mouth.

 

[speed4power]

Interesting matchup this week, looking forward to it

 

[FirstDownB]

I want to go for the upset special, but not having Horvath is going to hurt. He single handedly matched Iowa's physicality in last year's game and picked up some tough first downs. I don't think we have that guy right now.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

If we beat Iowa we could get to 6-6 by beating northwestern and Indiana.. that looks doable in a bad scenario

How pathetic in Brohm's fifth season, now with all his recruits, that 6-6 would be acceptable. Anything less than 8 wins should be considered a failure. j

 

[BBG]

How pathetic in Brohm's fifth season, now with all his recruits, that 6-6 would be acceptable. Anything less than 8 wins should be considered a failure. j

Les Miles would of been a bigger failure. Just knock it off already. You've gone from mildy annoying to off the deep end just because Purdue didn't pick Miles.

I usually have no problems with you, but you're being ridiculous.

 

[asby]

I can't be the only one that thinks we are gonna get manhandled? On the road...Are offense is anemic...Their defense is better than ours....I hope it's a good game but u have no faith in our offense

 

[IAHawk2011]

Total yardage is surely an indication of explosiveness. Iowa has a pedestrian offense. Are you arguing they don’t?

It sounds like a cop out, but it’s really not - Iowa doesn’t care about gaining yards. They are perfectly content to pick up a first down or two, let the punter pin the opponent inside their own ten yard line, and let the defense do its thing. Ferentz has always been a field position guy, but even more so this year with the best punter and best defense he has had in his 20+ years at Iowa.

There have really only been two games this year where the offense was put in a position where they had to make plays (Colorado State and Penn State), and each time the offense did a pretty good job moving the ball when it needed to.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

How pathetic in Brohm's fifth season, now with all his recruits, that 6-6 would be acceptable. Anything less than 8 wins should be considered a failure. j

You’re not dealing in reality. When I think about what should be considered a failure I think about what administrations and coaches previous to this one have done to set Purdue up relative to other programs.

what you should do is pretend you’re talking to Morgan burke and ask “remember when tiller said you should make a big boy commitment to football and you didn’t? Well this is the result.”

this is probably 8-3 team in the 2007 big ten. It’s not 2007 anymore.

consider this.. we may be happy with 6-6 and in my time following Purdue (98-present) what players have we gotten who had the recruiting rating of bell and karlaftis and actually delivered? Who did tiller get who was both rated that high and played that well.. and we still might go 6-6.

it’s because you reap what the f you sow