Majority of House GOP, including 3 Black Republican grifters voted to reinstate confederate monument at Arlington National Cemetary

[tjreese]

Bible views on slavery..... certainly is more interesting than BNI saying the same race baiting crap over and over and over in this thread......

Slavery was a common practice in Biblical times. The Jews were slaves in Egypt. Rome also had slaves. The wealthy Jewish families had slaves.

Some treated them well, others treated them poorly. Some parents sold their children as slaves or even concubines. Many times slaves were taken by military force.

The Bible doesn't condemn slavery.....doesn't endorse it either.

It has instruction for slaves...... for example....
Ephesians 6:5–8, Paul states "Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ".

The Bible has instructions for slave masters.....

Colossians 4:1 advises slave masters to "treat your slaves justly and fairly, realizing that you too have a Master in heaven".

The Bible's main concern though is about people. It's main concern is helping people not to be slaves to sin and to save themselves through repentance and calling on the redemptive blood of Jesus Christ. Simple as A, B,C....
A ....Admit you are a sinner & repent
B ....Believe in Christ
C.....Commit and call on Christ to save you & take him as a gift as your Lord & Savior

I can certainly agree with above. Slavery has existed longer than it hasn't. All of us have ancestry that were slaves or slave holders. It was quite common since the beginning of time...as wrong as it was and is. Slavery is ONLY about vulnerability. Those not vulnerable were not slaves and those that were had many that became slaves. I'll add that Christ expects "good works" as well and yet if people could live up to Christ's teachings there would not be the need for Christ. I hope BNI does not diminish my title by calling you a racist jackass, because I claim the red badge of courage for myself.

 

[tjreese]

I see the civil war as good guys fighting for a noble cause - to end slavery - and a combination of misled and evil guys fighting to uphold a horrible, unchristian institution. Slavery was ultimately what the civil war was about, whether cloaked in the rationalization of states' rights or not.

I do think that if Lincoln had foreseen the death and suffering to come, he might have pursued an economic blockade or some other strategy.

So here it is around 5 AM and I accidently woke up around 3:30 fearful I might miss getting out a text at 6:20 or so to a guy going to a stamping operation to get me some different colors for siding and roofing costs. Then my mind quickly shifts to questions for a doc I see for potential cancer treatment (early stages of prostrate with no typical symptoms) this Friday and how it compares to HIFU and CYRO treatment discussed with another doc on June 14...once I learn what "type" of cancer is determined for a better understanding of which direction to go. Lastly, I have some Purdue friends asking if I'm going to be able to make it out for the Sept 21 game in Oregon that need a decision soon...and all treatments need completed before I go to Italy later this year and I'm unsure what approach I will take, but already scheduled for a July 16 test to determine if HIFU (just approved in 23 in teh USA) or Cyro (burning or freezing the cancer). I'm hopeful that if I go that route I can get in on the August 16 date since the doc only has the equipment for one day a month I used to work out problems at Purdue in my light sleep and didn't realize the effects until the pounding of basketball on my knees started getting sore since I couldn't get into REM sleep and have taken some medicine the last 4 decades to help me stay asleep (as can be seen...sometimes it doesn't work).

I try to temper wrongs years ago, by trying to be in the culture, customs and understandings of the time. None of that changes wrongs, but does give in my opinion a better perspective. Slavery is and was wrong, and a blight on humanity. It is but one example of the evil mankind has done and can do in the future. In a sense, slavery whether cruel or not so cruel is a restriction on freedom and restrictions on freedom is cruel by itself. We should know that in the USA despite the continuous attempts to reduce freedom.

Since the beginning of time, "man" has shown over and over justification for evil. This has not been confined to any continent or timeline, but has endured forever in various forms. Where I struggle is being sure that I would be the exception rather than many that live in the times and lie inside the masses in judging the past. With 20th century eyes it is easy to believe I wouldn't follow the masses, but what if I lived inside the time...inside the particular demographic in question...what would I do? We know the south particularly during Antebellum was backward. Thomas Sowell writes about this in Black Rednecks and White Liberals. Excerpt below in the book gives a bit of the insight...

Would I have chosen Barabbas? My six year old granddaughter read a youthful version of Anne Frank and wants to go to Dachua in a couple of weeks when her parents go (will be the second concentration camp for my daughter). Her father is German and embarrassed in what Germany did and question if it might be a bit too strong for her. The Holocaust has to rank up there as one of the most evil things man has done in the history of man and yet I don't blame Germany on the whole. Some no doubt can be pointed to, but many like slave holders in this country saw the Jews...the blacks as inferiors and thereby justified in their mind mistreatment and in some cases horrific mistreatment. Today we have China killing prisoners to sell their organs as well as practicing slavery. People many times as @SIBoiler2 pointed out are like sheep. Would those today that advocate abortion as justification for the inconvenience by ripping apart a baby or letting it die on the table be potential candidates for slave holders years ago? Man can be quite inventive in justifying harm to others for the benefit of him or her self. I could go on an on, but already had my second cup of coffee and a bacon sandwich and think I've written enough.

 

[Riveting-]

Very fair and also see it more than state rights...financial as well Lincoln very easily could lose a reelection if he came out strongly against slavery. Much of the north had apathy on the situation. The south had been buying slaves...many from the north slave ships for agriculture (cotton). Tax money went heavily to the north as they built up the industry and much less tax money spent on the south. When ramblings about fleeing the slaves started to gain some momentum it marked financial ruin for the south and the few that had many slaves. Who knows if the north would have bought back slaves from the tax money how things would have turned out and freed them if desired. FWIW, I've had many rangers at Gettysburg and Antietam in particular express that the north went to war ONLY when the south fired on Ft Sumpter and why that happened (some believe Lincoln goaded the south into doing such so he could start a war to stop the secession???). Until firing on Sumpter, the north had no interest in war, but once that happened they saw it as an attack on them.

Lincoln wanted the country to remain one...THAT was his goal...not to free slaves. He was willing to not allow it in new territories, but was willing to let it die out (just not expand it) with the Cotton Gin around the corner. Only around 20% give or take a few points had slaves in the south and so many had no particular interest financially in slaves. Had the confederates not went down in the sunken road in Antietam in which they were flanked and massacred and came out a winner instead of suffering heavy losses, the French were in a position of possibly helping the south with another victory.

Slavery was and still is as it exists today, a horrible unchristian approach to humanity. There is no question about that, but I wonder...would we be the minority abolitionists that exist or would we fall into the masses as we see today by so many. Thankfully, mankind has became more human over the years...and not just the last 200 years...

I believe the cotton gin was the main driving factor in the expansion of slavery, without which it may have died out. Far more cotton could suddenly be processed, driving the demand for more land and more slaves.

Slavery and child labor exists in this nation today, driven by Biden's shameful open border policy - and despite all his babble about caring about human rights. That doesn't seem to trouble @BNIBoiler.

 

[Riveting-]

So here it is around 5 AM and I accidently woke up around 3:30 fearful I might miss getting out a text at 6:20 or so to a guy going to a stamping operation to get me some different colors for siding and roofing costs. Then my mind quickly shifts to questions for a doc I see for potential cancer treatment (early stages of prostrate with no typical symptoms) this Friday and how it compares to HIFU and CYRO treatment discussed with another doc on June 14...once I learn what "type" of cancer is determined for a better understanding of which direction to go. Lastly, I have some Purdue friends asking if I'm going to be able to make it out for the Sept 21 game in Oregon that need a decision soon...and all treatments need completed before I go to Italy later this year and I'm unsure what approach I will take, but already scheduled for a July 16 test to determine if HIFU (just approved in 23 in teh USA) or Cyro (burning or freezing the cancer). I'm hopeful that if I go that route I can get in on the August 16 date since the doc only has the equipment for one day a month I used to work out problems at Purdue in my light sleep and didn't realize the effects until the pounding of basketball on my knees started getting sore since I couldn't get into REM sleep and have taken some medicine the last 4 decades to help me stay asleep (as can be seen...sometimes it doesn't work).

I try to temper wrongs years ago, by trying to be in the culture, customs and understandings of the time. None of that changes wrongs, but does give in my opinion a better perspective. Slavery is and was wrong, and a blight on humanity. It is but one example of the evil mankind has done and can do in the future. In a sense, slavery whether cruel or not so cruel is a restriction on freedom and restrictions on freedom is cruel by itself. We should know that in the USA despite the continuous attempts to reduce freedom.

Since the beginning of time, "man" has shown over and over justification for evil. This has not been confined to any continent or timeline, but has endured forever in various forms. Where I struggle is being sure that I would be the exception rather than many that live in the times and lie inside the masses in judging the past. With 20th century eyes it is easy to believe I wouldn't follow the masses, but what if I lived inside the time...inside the particular demographic in question...what would I do? We know the south particularly during Antebellum was backward. Thomas Sowell writes about this in Black Rednecks and White Liberals. Excerpt below in the book gives a bit of the insight...

Would I have chosen Barabbas? My six year old granddaughter read a youthful version of Anne Frank and wants to go to Dachua in a couple of weeks when her parents go (will be the second concentration camp for my daughter). Her father is German and embarrassed in what Germany did and question if it might be a bit too strong for her. The Holocaust has to rank up there as one of the most evil things man has done in the history of man and yet I don't blame Germany on the whole. Some no doubt can be pointed to, but many like slave holders in this country saw the Jews...the blacks as inferiors and thereby justified in their mind mistreatment and in some cases horrific mistreatment. Today we have China killing prisoners to sell their organs as well as practicing slavery. People many times as @SIBoiler2 pointed out are like sheep. Would those today that advocate abortion as justification for the inconvenience by ripping apart a baby or letting it die on the table be potential candidates for slave holders years ago? Man can be quite inventive in justifying harm to others for the benefit of him or her self. I could go on an on, but already had my second cup of coffee and a bacon sandwich and think I've written enough.

Excellent post - and best wishes on your treatment.

 

[bonefish1]

Yep as far as something like cross burnings. Prior to that in high school, during baseball practice the school bus dropping off the local public school kids passes by our baseball field and yelled the n-word at me and the 2 blacks they saw on the field.

Who knows who did the cross burnings at Purdue. Could have been the KKK or some other racist jackass.

wow...if someone yelling the n-word at you on the baseball field 40 years ago is the worst act of racism you've ever personally experienced, then I'd say you haven't it had it too rough.
Are you surprised whites weren't rioting after "White men can't jump" was released in theaters?

Good God man....quit looking for reasons to be offended.

 

[bonefish1]

Dude, how many times do we have to talk about Kamala Harris’ 3rd great grandfather owning slaves. When your 3rd great grandfather is an Irish dude living in Jamaica during the trans Atlantic slave trade, I guess you better believe he owned slaves. Colin Powell is a light skinned black dude with Jamaican heritage. His ancestors most likely owned slaves also. I may have some ancestors that owned slaves. So what is your point. You do this all the time. I’m in the middle of having good discussions about race. Then here you come late to the party as usual and bring up old points about Harris’ ancestors owning slave. So, what is your point?

I do it all the time because you're a hypocrite and talk out of both sides of your mouth. You only view and consider one side of the issue and it's always the side that suits your racist narrative. That's not surprising though because it's very much the Democrat liberal playbook on debate.

So, if all of our ancestors owned slaves, are all of our ancestors horrible people. Or, so certain people get a pass? And, since no living person ever owned a slave and no living person was ever enslaved, shouldn't every living person no be admonished of having anything to do with slavery. The slate is wiped clean, so to speak?

 

[tjreese]

Excellent post - and best wishes on your treatment.

Thank you. The book I referenced is quite good, if you have time to read it and have interest. One of the things I keep putting off that I want to do is to write a bit about my life for my children. My father was also diabetic, had a stroke and lost his speech and was paralyzed when I was 20 and there were many questions left unanswered. I want to leave some insight into my life for them when they get mature enough to wonder. My text has been sent and now I question what time today I go out and lay some more pavers before it gets too hot...although I have some watermelon (bad for diabetic) to help with that heat for later.

 

[Riveting-]

Thank you. The book I referenced is quite good, if you have time to read it and have interest. One of the things I keep putting off that I want to do is to write a bit about my life for my children. My father was also diabetic, had a stroke and lost his speech and was paralyzed when I was 20 and there were many questions left unanswered. I want to leave some insight into my life for them when they get mature enough to wonder. My text has been sent and now I question what time today I go out and lay some more pavers before it gets too hot...although I have some watermelon (bad for diabetic) to help with that heat for later.

Maybe hire out that paver project...?

 

[BNIBoiler]

I believe the cotton gin was the main driving factor in the expansion of slavery, without which it may have died out. Far more cotton could suddenly be processed, driving the demand for more land and more slaves.

You are absolutely correct, the cotton gin did drive the expansion of slavery. Yes, that meant more slaves.

 

[BNIBoiler]

I do it all the time because you're a hypocrite and talk out of both sides of your mouth. You only view and consider one side of the issue and it's always the side that suits your racist narrative. That's not surprising though because it's very much the Democrat liberal playbook on debate.

So, if all of our ancestors owned slaves, are all of our ancestors horrible people. Or, so certain people get a pass? And, since no living person ever owned a slave and no living person was ever enslaved, shouldn't every living person no be admonished of having anything to do with slavery. The slate is wiped clean, so to speak?

That's a dumb question. If our ancestors owned slaves then yes they are horrible people. Who's admonishing people today that never had anything to do with slavery? What are you talking about?

 

[tjreese]

Maybe hire out that paver project...?

Putting down 50 40 lbs each on paver limestone. Typically have to place down and redo 2 to 3 times each paver while on my knees reaching to my side and swinging the pavers into place. I take it easy as I have some time, but need some physical exercise for the diabetes. Just finished working on a son's old Cadillac with the infamous Northstar engine that over heated...only thing left is possible leak between water in head and exhaust. Over the last few months replaced radiator twice due to leaks, thermostat, water pump and crossover that had two bolts that were a nightmare (progressive issues over time).

pavers are to expand an area to allow the relatively new smoker to be alongside the grill and griddle. I have a Purdue concrete bench to move out there to sit on as needed. You are right though in that I should hire more things out. @TwinDegrees2 suggested such a while back! Got two more trees I need to cut down (red crimson maple & white pine) and a son suggesting I need to cut out some cancer in a truck and spot weld some metal and he said he would paint. retirement for me has not slowed down my activities. My dry eyes have been most troublesome as it has put a damper on my reading. I had to put a pause on (Dave is such a nice man)

 

[BNIBoiler]

wow...if someone yelling the n-word at you on the baseball field 40 years ago is the worst act of racism you've ever personally experienced, then I'd say you haven't it had it too rough.
Are you surprised whites weren't rioting after "White men can't jump" was released in theaters?

Good God man....quit looking for reasons to be offended.

Why would whites riot after "White men can't jump" was released? That movie was written, produced, and directed by white folks.

 

[tjreese]

I believe the cotton gin was the main driving factor in the expansion of slavery, without which it may have died out. Far more cotton could suddenly be processed, driving the demand for more land and more slaves.

Slavery and child labor exists in this nation today, driven by Biden's shameful open border policy - and despite all his babble about caring about human rights. That doesn't seem to trouble @BNIBoiler.

I do not have an informed opinion on the cotton gin and workers. Historically technology replaces labor. I’ve seen this across much of industry and in many types of technology for over four decades. Today, many can see this in self check outs whether at Mc Donald’s, groceries, credit card checkout for gas not to mention chip placement on circuit boards and so forth. I’m not saying it is incorrect to believe that the cotton gin would expand slavery, but the thought does go against history on many fronts. Perhaps if I were better read on that particular area I could understand why that could be true. You left out sex trafficking as well by ole Joe for the opportunity of more votes. Imagine living in a world where some are indifferent to terrorist, drug trafficking, sex trafficking but quite disturbed by mean tweets. Ole Jack and ole Joe getting a few holes in their boat. 😊

 

[BNIBoiler]

I can certainly agree with above. Slavery has existed longer than it hasn't. All of us have ancestry that were slaves or slave holders. It was quite common since the beginning of time...as wrong as it was and is. Slavery is ONLY about vulnerability. Those not vulnerable were not slaves and those that were had many that became slaves. I'll add that Christ expects "good works" as well and yet if people could live up to Christ's teachings there would not be the need for Christ. I hope BNI does not diminish my title by calling you a racist jackass, because I claim the red badge of courage for myself.

The cotton gin was so efficient that they needed more slaves to plant and harvest the cotton.

 

[Boiler Buck]

As far as I know in my expansive search of history there has not been a skin color that has avoided the terrible fate of slavery. Not sure any races can claim the mantle of oppression.

But for me, I am so impressed by how many in all races have overcome their oppression. Some in a generation, some in several. And that is something to behold and admire.

That is why education is so important. Other than great parents and God.......vocational & college educations have the capacity to change a person more than any single worldly force. That's why it drives me nuts when people vote DEM as DEM School Unions have circumvented success more than any other worldly force. Besides taxes, it likely is the complimentary reason I vote for the worthless Republicans.

 

[tjreese]

The cotton gin was so efficient that they needed more slaves to plant and harvest the cotton.

Could be I’m unaware of the bottleneck in the process as previously stated

 

[tjreese]

As far as I know in my expansive search of history there has not been a skin color that has avoided the terrible fate of slavery. Not sure any races can claim the mantle of oppression.

But for me, I am so impressed by how many in all races have overcome their oppression. Some in a generation, some in several. And that is something to behold and admire.

That is why education is so important. Other than great parents and God.......vocational & college educations have the capacity to change a person more than any single worldly force. That's why it drives me nuts when people vote DEM as DEM School Unions have circumvented success more than any other worldly force. Besides taxes, it likely is the complimentary reason I vote for the worthless Republicans.

Thomas Sowell — 'You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible.'. Course he is a grifter and so the “message” can’t be true. Such a racist…

 

[BoilerAndy]

How can I deflect when I started the topic about confederate monuments? Deflecting is when I respond to someone’s topic by bringing up another issue that has nothing to do with the original topic. I responded to the big cities crime problem several times.

Now you just called me a racist. I said nothing racist nor did I put down any racial or ethnic group. So, how am I a racist. Y’all do this everytime. Call me a racist when I’m the one raising attention to racism. That’s ridiculous.

In this thread, you exhibit the most shameful combination of racism and virtue signalling I may have ever seen. You say that the murders of black people in Dem-run cities are THEIR problem, and they have to learn to deal with it. Then, after washing your hands of all those deaths, you act as if you are some kind of champion for the black community because you call out statues?!

 

[BNIBoiler]

In this thread, you exhibit the most shameful combination of racism and virtue signalling I may have ever seen. You say that the murders of black people in Dem-run cities are THEIR problem, and they have to learn to deal with it. Then, after washing your hands of all those deaths, you act as if you are some kind of champion for the black community because you call out statues?!

It is their problem because they live under those conditions. And they can only fix it. I never said that they have to learn to deal with it. After seeing program after program in these areas. I’ve seen marches after marches. Athletes have their foundations in these areas. All that and the problem has gotten worse. This have been going on for decades none of these events have worked. So I’ve come to the conclusion they have to help themselves. These programs aren’t going to stop single mothers from having babies. Or stop gangbangers from killing each other. Or raise their school test scores. Or, deal drugs on the corners. I said there folks have to some how on their own realize what they are doing and change their culture. This has nothing to do with a racist confederate statue as that is a separate issue.

You are another person on this site that call me a racist for pointing out racism. That doesn’t make any sense.

 

[Riveting-]

It is their problem because they live under those conditions. And they can only fix it. I never said that they have to learn to deal with it. After seeing program after program in these areas. I’ve seen marches after marches. Athletes have their foundations in these areas. All that and the problem has gotten worse. This have been going on for decades none of these events have worked. So I’ve come to the conclusion they have to help themselves. These programs aren’t going to stop single mothers from having babies. Or stop gangbangers from killing each other. Or raise their school test scores. Or, deal drugs on the corners. I said there folks have to some how on their own realize what they are doing and change their culture. This has nothing to do with a racist confederate statue as that is a separate issue.

You are another person on this site that call me a racist for pointing out racism. That doesn’t make any sense.

Aggressive law enforcement can obviously reduce the murders, crime and drug dealing. If you don't believe that, then why have any law enforcement at all ?

 

[BoilerAndy]

It is their problem because they live under those conditions. And they can only fix it. I never said that they have to learn to deal with it. After seeing program after program in these areas. I’ve seen marches after marches. Athletes have their foundations in these areas. All that and the problem has gotten worse. This have been going on for decades none of these events have worked. So I’ve come to the conclusion they have to help themselves. These programs aren’t going to stop single mothers from having babies. Or stop gangbangers from killing each other. Or raise their school test scores. Or, deal drugs on the corners. I said there folks have to some how on their own realize what they are doing and change their culture. This has nothing to do with a racist confederate statue as that is a separate issue.

You are another person on this site that call me a racist for pointing out racism. That doesn’t make any sense.

It's a separate issue in your mind because you want it to be a separate issue. Your holy crusade against the statues is about racism (or so you say). Then you make statements about turning your back on their real problems. Your ideas have failed and so you want to virtue signal about statues, as if statues impact the lives of poor black people. Feel better about yourself?

What Dems are doing to Dem cities couldn't work -- and you wonder why it has gotten worse?
Defund the police. Really?
Don't enforce the laws. Revolving door justice system. Criminals are committing crimes against the black community while out on bail or after being released without jail time.
Police stand down when there are riots, destruction, and looting. Why stop if there are no consequences? You are rewarding bad behavior. Businesses serving the black community are destroyed or forced to leave.
Force kids to stay in failed schools -- to keep the union vote. Without an education, you are forcing them into these conditions. There really is no way out.

Dems are doing everything they can to keep black people in these conditions. But yeah, let's bring down those statues. That's sure to improve their lives.

 

[bonefish1]

It is their problem because they live under those conditions. And they can only fix it. I never said that they have to learn to deal with it. After seeing program after program in these areas. I’ve seen marches after marches. Athletes have their foundations in these areas. All that and the problem has gotten worse. This have been going on for decades none of these events have worked. So I’ve come to the conclusion they have to help themselves. These programs aren’t going to stop single mothers from having babies. Or stop gangbangers from killing each other. Or raise their school test scores. Or, deal drugs on the corners. I said there folks have to some how on their own realize what they are doing and change their culture. This has nothing to do with a racist confederate statue as that is a separate issue.

You are another person on this site that call me a racist for pointing out racism. That doesn’t make any sense.

Do you not make the connection between how blacks act in the hood and then the resulting effects? (what you would call 'racism')?
You claim blacks are unfairly treated by the police. Yet, if blacks are shooting eachother, dealing drugs, etc, how should police treat them, especially when police are made out to be the enemy.?

 

[Boilermaker03]

It is their problem because they live under those conditions. And they can only fix it. I never said that they have to learn to deal with it. After seeing program after program in these areas. I’ve seen marches after marches. Athletes have their foundations in these areas. All that and the problem has gotten worse. This have been going on for decades none of these events have worked. So I’ve come to the conclusion they have to help themselves. These programs aren’t going to stop single mothers from having babies. Or stop gangbangers from killing each other. Or raise their school test scores. Or, deal drugs on the corners. I said there folks have to some how on their own realize what they are doing and change their culture. This has nothing to do with a racist confederate statue as that is a separate issue.

You are another person on this site that call me a racist for pointing out racism. That doesn’t make any sense.

It's gotten worse because the draw of the Democrat social programs that are keeping people in poverty and single parent households are too strong to overcome. They have to be done away with to fix the problem. But you can't seem to grasp that concept.

 

[BNIBoiler]

It's gotten worse because the draw of the Democrat social programs that are keeping people in poverty and single parent households are too strong to overcome. They have to be done away with to fix the problem. But you can't seem to grasp that concept.

There is nothing that you can do to take away single mothers from having kids. When consigliere, Rudy Guiliani was mayor of NYC, did the numbers of single mothers decline, no, Gangs were still gangbanging. Stop and harass only found a small percentage of guns on the people that they harassed. We've been through this over and over. It's not as simple as just replacing one regime with another. Cultures has to be changed.

 

[SKYDOG]

It's gotten worse because the draw of the Democrat social programs that are keeping people in poverty and single parent households are too strong to overcome. They have to be done away with to fix the problem. But you can't seem to grasp that concept.

I wonder why the black community has this issue more so in this country than the Indians, Hispanics, Asians, or others? Maybe they do and it’s a perception?

 

[Katscratch]

I wonder why the black community has this issue more so in this country than the Indians, Hispanics, Asians, or others? Maybe they do and it’s a perception?

Maybe because instead of immigrating to this country while possessing skills and a positive culture…

their ancestors were brought to this country in chains, bred like cattle, denied education, and when freed left in mass numbers penniless, illiterate, and discriminated against. So they moved to urban ghettos to attempt to find work and escape an oppressively racist and hostile south.

Or it could be due to some two bit politician that’s easy to blame, but I very much doubt it.

 

[BNIBoiler]

I wonder why the black community has this issue more so in this country than the Indians, Hispanics, Asians, or others? Maybe they do and it’s a perception?

The first 8 or so years after the Civil War, blacks relatively had decent lives. Blacks were able to own land, black men were able to vote. Black men held major public offices including being appointed to the US Senate and Congress. President Grant deployed US troops to the south to oversee and protect. Then jacked up Hayes compromise kicked in when he got elected president and he removed the troops and basically the Jim Crow was born.

Jim Crow are was detrimental to blacks now. The KKK was now formed. Many blacks were lynched. Racists made it hard for blacks to vote with stupid laws like counting the number of jelly beans in a jar among other laws. Blacks could not hold public office. Blacks could not go to the public schools.

By the time of WW1 on through the 20s and 30s the Great Migration began where blacks from the south came up to the northern cities hoping for better opportunities like schools and jobs. Unfortunately blacks faces as much segregation in the north as they did in the south. Housing segregation now led to blacks living together in certain parts of the cities. Employment segregation led to poverty in these areas.

Poverty leads to despair. Despair leads to substance, abuse and crime. By the 60s, the black family is starting lose is grip. Young people are choosing the streets. Also, by the 60s blacks are now allowed access to the welfare system that FDR did not include for them. Vietnam war, substance abuse, incarceration etc lead to the rise in single mothers. The 1964 and 1965 Voting and Civil rights bills ended Jim Crow. However, segregation and discrimination in employment, housing/redling, loans still exists going into the 70s. Throughout the 70s crime and the number of gangs increases as these folks still live in despair in the same communities.

By the 80s the 3rd and forth generations are still living in poverty as the cycle continues. Single motherhood continues. Also, by the 80s the crack cocaine epidemic hits the inner cities badly. Substance abuse is at at all time high now. Incarceration due to crack cocaine takes away a lot of men away from the families as well as gang related warfare selling the crack is exacerbated.

Children born under these conditions brains do not get fully developed due to poor prenatal care. Most I believe are inflicted with PTSD from the fail violence that they experience. This leads to poor academic performance and poor behavior in schools.

How We Built the Ghettos

A brief introduction to America's long history of racist housing policy.

www.thedailybeast.com

Creating the Black Ghetto: Black Residential Patterns Before and During the Great Migration - PMC

Were black ghettos a product of white reaction to the Great Migration in the 1920s and 1930s, or did the ghettoization process have earlier roots? This presentation takes advantage of recently available data on black and white residential patterns ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Boiler Buck]

Also, by the 60s blacks are now allowed access to the welfare system that FDR did not include for them. Vietnam war, substance abuse, incarceration etc lead to the rise in single mothers.

Most would say it's primarily the welfare system that encourages single mothers in all races. There is alot of literature on this if you are interested in being educated.

Your take is way off.

 

[Katscratch]

Most would say it's primarily the welfare system that encourages single mothers in all races. There is alot of literature on this if you are interested in being educated.

Your take is way off.

“Most would say.”

You read the last two posts and that’s what you’ve got? You are posting to respond, not reading to understand.

 

[SKYDOG]

The first 8 or so years after the Civil War, blacks relatively had decent lives. Blacks were able to own land, black men were able to vote. Black men held major public offices including being appointed to the US Senate and Congress. President Grant deployed US troops to the south to oversee and protect. Then jacked up Hayes compromise kicked in when he got elected president and he removed the troops and basically the Jim Crow was born.

Jim Crow are was detrimental to blacks now. The KKK was now formed. Many blacks were lynched. Racists made it hard for blacks to vote with stupid laws like counting the number of jelly beans in a jar among other laws. Blacks could not hold public office. Blacks could not go to the public schools.

By the time of WW1 on through the 20s and 30s the Great Migration began where blacks from the south came up to the northern cities hoping for better opportunities like schools and jobs. Unfortunately blacks faces as much segregation in the north as they did in the south. Housing segregation now led to blacks living together in certain parts of the cities. Employment segregation led to poverty in these areas.

Poverty leads to despair. Despair leads to substance, abuse and crime. By the 60s, the black family is starting lose is grip. Young people are choosing the streets. Also, by the 60s blacks are now allowed access to the welfare system that FDR did not include for them. Vietnam war, substance abuse, incarceration etc lead to the rise in single mothers. The 1964 and 1965 Voting and Civil rights bills ended Jim Crow. However, segregation and discrimination in employment, housing/redling, loans still exists going into the 70s. Throughout the 70s crime and the number of gangs increases as these folks still live in despair in the same communities.

By the 80s the 3rd and forth generations are still living in poverty as the cycle continues. Single motherhood continues. Also, by the 80s the crack cocaine epidemic hits the inner cities badly. Substance abuse is at at all time high now. Incarceration due to crack cocaine takes away a lot of men away from the families as well as gang related warfare selling the crack is exacerbated.

Children born under these conditions brains do not get fully developed due to poor prenatal care. Most I believe are inflicted with PTSD from the fail violence that they experience. This leads to poor academic performance and poor behavior in schools.

How We Built the Ghettos

A brief introduction to America's long history of racist housing policy.

www.thedailybeast.com

Creating the Black Ghetto: Black Residential Patterns Before and During the Great Migration - PMC

Were black ghettos a product of white reaction to the Great Migration in the 1920s and 1930s, or did the ghettoization process have earlier roots? This presentation takes advantage of recently available data on black and white residential patterns ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What you posted along with the articles are very informative. I guess that could have lead to many broken families. I just don’t understand why it continues to happen today, unless many of the examples of what you posted continues on currently. Do these same circumstances happen to the other races or pretty much just the black race? I really have no idea what Hispanics, Asians and others are up against currently.

 

[BNIBoiler]

What you posted along with the articles are very informative. I guess that could have lead to many broken families. I just don’t understand why it continues to happen today, unless many of the examples of what you posted continues on currently. Do these same circumstances happen to the other races or pretty much just the black race? I really have no idea what Hispanics, Asians and others are up against currently.

It continues to happen today because it’s a vicious cycle lasting generations. The Native Americans have had it bad but in a different way. But Jim Crow was aimed only towards black Americans was the biggest detriment to blacks in America that we are still feeling the affects of it. The water fountains during that time said “White” and “Colored”. No other ethnic groups were targeted like that during Jim Crow. The US that many would like just deny and water down has done horrible stuff to different ethnic groups. During WW2 Japanese Americans were out into internment camps. The US did not put any German Americans or Italian Americans into interment camps. Boilermaker03, Boiler Buck, and tjreese will probably have some lame excuse or denial of why.

 

[BoilerAndy]

There is nothing that you can do to take away single mothers from having kids. When consigliere, Rudy Guiliani was mayor of NYC, did the numbers of single mothers decline, no, Gangs were still gangbanging. Stop and harass only found a small percentage of guns on the people that they harassed. We've been through this over and over. It's not as simple as just replacing one regime with another. Cultures has to be changed.

Violent crimes indeed declined under Guilliani. Nearer to Purdue, once Dems took control of Indianapolis, violent crimes rose to the point where families visiting downtown in the evenings has declined. It has happened in cities across the country. You saying policies and leadership won't change anything is absurd. Why would culture change when the current culture is rewarded?

 

[BNIBoiler]

Most would say it's primarily the welfare system that encourages single mothers in all races. There is alot of literature on this if you are interested in being educated.

Your take is way off.

Nope. Most right wingers with an agenda would say that.

 

[bonefish1]

There is nothing that you can do to take away single mothers from having kids. When consigliere, Rudy Guiliani was mayor of NYC, did the numbers of single mothers decline, no, Gangs were still gangbanging. Stop and harass only found a small percentage of guns on the people that they harassed. We've been through this over and over. It's not as simple as just replacing one regime with another. Cultures has to be changed.

Stop n Frisked worked. It was proven to work.
Yet, you wouldn't want SnF on the S and W sides of Chicago because you feel it infringes on civil rights. You'd rather have over 100 shot and 18 killed on a holiday weekend.

 

[BNIBoiler]

Stop n Frisked worked. It was proven to work.
Yet, you wouldn't want SnF on the S and W sides of Chicago because you feel it infringes on civil rights. You'd rather have over 100 shot and 18 killed on a holiday weekend.

The reduction in crime, although still at alarming levels, was due to extra police manpower in these areas. The actual policy, unconstitutional by the way, in of itself did not reduce the crime. Stop and harass only worked when the the police had probable cause to stop someone, go figure. Stop and harass did not work due to the police stopping any law abiding black citizens of all walks of life including business owners, students going to local colleges, going to work, etc. Some were stopped and harassed more than once. Stop and harass still doesn't prevent single mothers having babies which is the bottom line.

Does Stop-And-Frisk Reduce Crime? | Department of Criminology

crim.sas.upenn.edu

 

[bonefish1]

The reduction in crime, although still at alarming levels, was due to extra police manpower in these areas. The actual policy, unconstitutional by the way, in of itself did not reduce the crime. Stop and harass only worked when the the police had probable cause to stop someone, go figure. Stop and harass did not work due to the police stopping any law abiding black citizens of all walks of life including business owners, students going to local colleges, going to work, etc. Some were stopped and harassed more than once. Stop and harass still doesn't prevent single mothers having babies which is the bottom line.

Does Stop-And-Frisk Reduce Crime? | Department of Criminology

crim.sas.upenn.edu

You're wrong, it did work.

Opinion | It's easy to criticize stop-and-frisk. It's harder to wrestle with its real legacy.

New York went too far with the practice, but it helped reduce a staggering crime rate that damaged communities far more than the tactics used by police.

www.nbcnews.com

What % of drop in murders and shootings (99.5% in which the victims are black or brown and the shooter is black or brown) on the south/west sides of Chicago would be required for you to think it's worth the inconvenience to citizens?
I could drive thought Englewood tonight and pick out 50 people to SnF and I guarantee I would find some guns in my selection. (I'm not SnF the lady with 3 kids and a bag of groceries or the guy gettin goff work wearing his UPS delivery uniform......)

 

[BNIBoiler]

You're wrong, it did work.

Opinion | It's easy to criticize stop-and-frisk. It's harder to wrestle with its real legacy.

New York went too far with the practice, but it helped reduce a staggering crime rate that damaged communities far more than the tactics used by police.

www.nbcnews.com

What % of drop in murders and shootings (99.5% in which the victims are black or brown and the shooter is black or brown) on the south/west sides of Chicago would be required for you to think it's worth the inconvenience to citizens?
I could drive thought Englewood tonight and pick out 50 people to SnF and I guarantee I would find some guns in my selection. (I'm not SnF the lady with 3 kids and a bag of groceries or the guy gettin goff work wearing his UPS delivery uniform......)

I don't mind stop and frisk when it comes to stopping someone that seem suspicious, just cause. That's has always been the police policy. It becomes stop and harass when the cops in NYC stopped black men, all ages coming and going to work, school, church etc. That's why the percentage of guns that were found was so low because most of the folks that were stopped were not criminals. Again and again, for the sake of argument stop and harass did drop crime in NYC. The crime was still high, single mothers are still having babies, rapes are still high, gangbangers are still gangbanging, drugs are still being sold, kids still don't care about going to school, etc., etc.

 

[bonefish1]

I don't mind stop and frisk when it comes to stopping someone that seem suspicious, just cause. That's has always been the police policy. It becomes stop and harass when the cops in NYC stopped black men, all ages coming and going to work, school, church etc. That's why the percentage of guns that were found was so low because most of the folks that were stopped were not criminals. Again and again, for the sake of argument stop and harass did drop crime in NYC. The crime was still high, single mothers are still having babies, rapes are still high, gangbangers are still gangbanging, drugs are still being sold, kids still don't care about going to school, etc., etc.

Would you be in favor of SnF only on the S and W sides of chicago and only for black/brown males between the ages of 15-45?
A) That's where the shootings take place
B) That's who doing the shooting

To me, this would be a more targeted approach, and would reduce the stopping of people going to work, church, etc.

 

[BNIBoiler]

Would you be in favor of SnF only on the S and W sides of chicago and only for black/brown males between the ages of 15-45?
A) That's where the shootings take place
B) That's who doing the shooting

To me, this would be a more targeted approach, and would reduce the stopping of people going to work, church, etc.

Only if you stop them for just cause. Not people just walking down the street minding there on business. People on the south and west side of Chicago still go to church, work. shop, etc. Still does not stop single mothers.

 

[Telling The Truth]

Would you be in favor of SnF only on the S and W sides of chicago and only for black/brown males between the ages of 15-45?
A) That's where the shootings take place
B) That's who doing the shooting

To me, this would be a more targeted approach, and would reduce the stopping of people going to work, church, etc.

As long as you'd also be in favor for stop and frisk for all white males and females between 40 and 70 near the U.S. Capitol.

1. That's where the attempted insurrections take place.
2. That's who is doing the insurrecting.

I would also then be in favor of stop and frisk for all white males with orange bronzing makeup between 75 and 80 near Mar-A-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida.

1. That's where the unauthorized relocation and hiding of classified national security documents takes place.
2. That is who is doing the unauthorized hiding of classified national security documents.