Lunardi's Sunday morning bracketology

[hunkgolden]

Purdue gets the last of the byes. Celebrating just getting to the dance is certainly not the norm for a top program like ours but given the last couple of years - it certainly is understandable.

This post was edited on 3/8 9:26 AM by hunkgolden

 

[BBG]

And it's a reminder to not give up early in the season and start calling for a coach to be fired before things have a chance to play out.

This was one helluva turn around this season.

 

[hunkgolden]

Originally posted by BBG:
And it's a reminder to not give up early in the season and start calling for a coach to be fired before things have a chance to play out.

This was one helluva turn around this season.

Think of all of people who were calling for among other things:
1. Painter to be fired
2. Mathias to get little to no playing time
3. Bryson to get more playing time
4. Stephens to get more playing time
5. Basil to get more playing time

After all of the complaints and hand wringing about coaching and playing time, the team has gone from last to tied for 3rd and is a Wisky win today away from securing a 1st round bye in the BTT and is most certainly on it's way to the NCAA tournament.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

And Hammons to sit.

 

[hunkgolden]

Originally posted by GemstateBoiler:
And Hammons to sit.

Haas starting for a few weeks was the best thing to ever happen to AJ. Another great coaching decision by Matt.

 

[PU pit bull]

Ah yes, memories of that corny "realism"

 

[boiler-deuce]

Originally posted by PU pit bull:

Ah yes, memories of that corny "realism"

Actually, the "Realism" was 2 years of basement dwelling and looking early on like more of the same. There are no excuses for those 2 years. NONE. Someone acting like it was all worth it is a joke. It was bullshit.... you can't climb on your high horse and point the finger of contempt at those who didn't like what happened. Y'all need to knock this shit off.

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by boiler-deuce:

Originally posted by PU pit bull:

Ah yes, memories of that corny "realism"

Actually, the "Realism" was 2 years of basement dwelling and looking early on like more of the same. There are no excuses for those 2 years. NONE. Someone acting like it was all worth it is a joke. It was bullshit.... you can't climb on your high horse and point the finger of contempt at those who didn't like what happened. Y'all need to knock this shit off.

Sorry but nope. I won't harp on it much more than in this thread, but there was so much garbage on this forum that it deserves being called out.

But then again, 90% of the posters that were spouting that have oddly disappeared....

 

[boiler-deuce]

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by boiler-deuce:

Originally posted by PU pit bull:

Ah yes, memories of that corny "realism"

Actually, the "Realism" was 2 years of basement dwelling and looking early on like more of the same. There are no excuses for those 2 years. NONE. Someone acting like it was all worth it is a joke. It was bullshit.... you can't climb on your high horse and point the finger of contempt at those who didn't like what happened. Y'all need to knock this shit off.

Sorry but nope. I won't harp on it much more than in this thread, but there was so much garbage on this forum that it deserves being called out.

But then again, 90% of the posters that were spouting that have oddly disappeared....

See, here's the problem BBG. No matter how much you act like those 2 years didn't happen....they did. And just because some, including myself, found it unacceptable, and called it such, does not make you right. This team is much improved, but that does not erase those pathetic 2 years. It does not mean they never happened. Or, was ok. It wasn't garbage. It was fact...the teams stunk. This current success does not mean suddenly those years were good. Stop acting like this makes everything ok or you were right. You're all just butt hurt, because you kept parading out these classes as the fix to the failures to no avail. They sucked outright. I posted about how bad those teams were, and I was right...they sucked. Last place sucks. Problem is, not many have the maturity to just be a realist and tell it like it is. Sort of like how I now say this team is vastly improved. This team is on a great roll right now, and I love it. Sadly, not many here have matured and only choose to be petulant children. Of course I thought early on this team was going to stink it up again. So what? History and current play on the court was pretty damning. Now, they look pretty good. For some, that's just not enough. What's really sad is you seem to be glad you drove off some fans. Congrats, I guess. Hope you're proud.

 

[PaBoiler78]

the only harping I did yesterday was drinking some Harp.

 

[hunkgolden]

Unless I missed something, you're the only one talking about the previous two seasons. Everyone else seems to be talking about this season. The people who were driven off this season I suspect were not Purdue folks anyways - given their very low post counts. Not sure why you are bringing up the past two seasons in this thread. Start your own thread if you would like to rehash those two years.

 

[bodog57]

Originally posted by hunkgolden:
Unless I missed something, you're the only one talking about the previous two seasons. Everyone else seems to be talking about this season. The people who were driven off this season I suspect were not Purdue folks anyways - given their very low post counts. Not sure why you are bringing up the past two seasons in this thread. Start your own thread if you would like to rehash those two years.

+1

 

[boiler-deuce]

Originally posted by hunkgolden:
Unless I missed something, you're the only one talking about the previous two seasons. Everyone else seems to be talking about this season. The people who were driven off this season I suspect were not Purdue folks anyways - given their very low post counts. Not sure why you are bringing up the past two seasons in this thread. Start your own thread if you would like to rehash those two years.

Actually Hunk, you started this crap with this:

Think of all of people who were calling for among other things:
1. Painter to be fired
2. Mathias to get little to no playing time
3. Bryson to get more playing time
4. Stephens to get more playing time
5. Basil to get more playing time

After all of the complaints and hand wringing about coaching and playing time, the team has gone from last to tied for 3rd and is a Wisky win today away from securing a 1st round bye in the BTT and is most certainly on it's way to the NCAA tournament.

That screed was all about the last 2 years and the start of this one. "Last" two years in a row. And nobody would be calling for "Painter to be fired" on just the start of this year alone. Save the self-righteous crap. You're just trying to save face here. I just took exception to YOU rehashing. Nobody assigned you the responsibility of deciding how far we're allow to back in history.

 

[PU pit bull]

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by boiler-deuce:

Originally posted by PU pit bull:

Ah yes, memories of that corny "realism"

Actually, the "Realism" was 2 years of basement dwelling and looking early on like more of the same. There are no excuses for those 2 years. NONE. Someone acting like it was all worth it is a joke. It was bullshit.... you can't climb on your high horse and point the finger of contempt at those who didn't like what happened. Y'all need to knock this shit off.

Sorry but nope. I won't harp on it much more than in this thread, but there was so much garbage on this forum that it deserves being called out.

But then again, 90% of the posters that were spouting that have oddly disappeared....

Come on BBG..........didn't you remember how "maturely" that was handled by those fans (tic). Like was said from day one, being critical of team play, coaching, etc. is one thing, and I think some were fine in the way they discussed it. Sadly, many others were just flat out assh*les about it, claiming to be "realists" as they tore down the entire program. As you said though, a great percentage of those fans are gone, or still lurking, and the board has become much more unified........for the most part. Pride, pride, pride.........it's deadly. Boiler Up!!!!!

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Originally posted by boiler-deuce:

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by boiler-deuce:

Originally posted by PU pit bull:

Ah yes, memories of that corny "realism"

Actually, the "Realism" was 2 years of basement dwelling and looking early on like more of the same. There are no excuses for those 2 years. NONE. Someone acting like it was all worth it is a joke. It was bullshit.... you can't climb on your high horse and point the finger of contempt at those who didn't like what happened. Y'all need to knock this shit off.

Sorry but nope. I won't harp on it much more than in this thread, but there was so much garbage on this forum that it deserves being called out.

But then again, 90% of the posters that were spouting that have oddly disappeared....

See, here's the problem BBG. No matter how much you act like those 2 years didn't happen....they did. And just because some, including myself, found it unacceptable, and called it such, does not make you right. This team is much improved, but that does not erase those pathetic 2 years. It does not mean they never happened. Or, was ok. It wasn't garbage. It was fact...the teams stunk. This current success does not mean suddenly those years were good. Stop acting like this makes everything ok or you were right. You're all just butt hurt, because you kept parading out these classes as the fix to the failures to no avail. They sucked outright. I posted about how bad those teams were, and I was right...they sucked. Last place sucks. Problem is, not many have the maturity to just be a realist and tell it like it is. Sort of like how I now say this team is vastly improved. This team is on a great roll right now, and I love it. Sadly, not many here have matured and only choose to be petulant children. Of course I thought early on this team was going to stink it up again. So what? History and current play on the court was pretty damning. Now, they look pretty good. For some, that's just not enough. What's really sad is you seem to be glad you drove off some fans. Congrats, I guess. Hope you're proud.

Deuce, one question for you. Would you rather have what has happened at Purdue the last three years or what has happened at IU the last three years? Matt or Clappy? AJ/Haas or HMP? Davis/Octeus or JBJ/Yogi.

 

[SYoumans]

deuce is right . . .


Painter, as well as every other coach in the country, needs to be judged on his entire body of work (with more weight assigned towards recent seasons). That body of work includes two putrid seasons in the last three years. That's just fact, and anyone who argues against that has their head in the clouds.

This season is a step in the right direction, but there's still a lot of work to be done and let's not act like a 4th place finish (by tiebreaker) in the Big Ten and barely squeaking into the Dance should be the ultimate goal for this program.

 

[PU pit bull]

I will add that it is time to move on from this, myself included. What happened is over, and everyone knows how it went down. The Boilers need support now, from each and every fan. BTFU!!

 

[BBG]

Re: deuce is right . . .

Originally posted by SYoumans:

Painter, as well as every other coach in the country, needs to be judged on his entire body of work (with more weight assigned towards recent seasons). That body of work includes two putrid seasons in the last three years. That's just fact, and anyone who argues against that has their head in the clouds.

This season is a step in the right direction, but there's still a lot of work to be done and let's not act like a 4th place finish (by tiebreaker) in the Big Ten and barely squeaking into the Dance should be the ultimate goal for this program.

Except that most are not judging Painter on his entire body of work but rather just the previous two years and that is where I have a problem with all of this. Those bad years happened. They are over with. Move on.

Also I wouldn't say we squeaked in to the dance by any stretch. We were shown as "in" even prior to beating Illinois and while you are right this is a step in the right direction of an ultimate goal, trivializing the turnaround done by the entire team isn't right either.

My point in my original post was about those that came on here and just ripped the staff and players that have ultimately been proven wrong. Again, most of those posters have been gone for some time now (although Purdue Alumnus still lingers) and most of the remaining have stepped up and had their crow.

Ultimately it's a moot point, but there is no denying the turnaround this team did from the staff down was nothing short of impressive.

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by PU pit bull:



I will add that it is time to move on from this, myself included. What happened is over, and everyone knows how it went down. The Boilers need support now, from each and every fan. BTFU!!

Yep I am with you. In the end we all just want to win and should celebrate how things turned around.

I'm sorry just a tad that I brought it up and helped in turning this thread in to something I don't think the OP intended. At this point I think we all just need to agree to disagree and get ready for the BTT.

 

[boiler-deuce]

Re: deuce is right . . .

Except that most are not judging Painter on his entire body of work but rather just the previous two years and that is where I have a problem with all of this. Those bad years happened. They are over with. Move on.

Also I wouldn't say we squeaked in to the dance by any stretch. We were shown as "in" even prior to beating Illinois and while you are right this is a step in the right direction of an ultimate goal, trivializing the turnaround done by the entire team isn't right either.

My point in my original post was about those that came on here and just ripped the staff and players that have ultimately been proven wrong. Again, most of those posters have been gone for some time now (although Purdue Alumnus still lingers) and most of the remaining have stepped up and had their crow.

Ultimately it's a moot point, but there is no denying the turnaround this team did from the staff down was nothing short of impressive.

How can we move on with it constantly being paraded out? It's incessant. Never enough with some of you.

I've played NO PART of trivializing this seasons turnaround. I've celebrated it but tire of the relentless comments as if history has been erased. I'm not going to sit back and let you guys attempt to rewrite history. For 2+ years y'all were wrong and we wee right. The team stunk. Y'all were wrong at the start of this season, we stunk again.

Last place for 2 years did happen. We weren't proven wrong. They are facts.


And this:

Deuce, one question for you. Would you rather have what has happened at Purdue the last three years or what has happened at IU the last three years? Matt or Clappy? AJ/Haas or HMP? Davis/Octeus or JBJ/Yogi.

Are you serious? With all due respect, I don't give a ratsass about IU. I don't "rather" either one. I'd "rather" have Painter not drop the ball like he did for years. I'd "rather" be like MSU or Wisky. And, I'm sorry if this ruffles feathers, but, Painter had the table set. He hit the ground running and was in a position to set the nation on fire. He could have staked his claim on this state and all states in the Mid-West with the momentum he had. If he hadn't messed up, we'd be a premier school right now. He had the world in the palm of his hand....and effed it up. Just because we'll probably make the NCAA doesn't mean he didn't eff up big time. He pissed it away. I really hope he learned from it and we don't see that basement again. Purdue is not a basement program in BB.

 

[boiler-deuce]

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by PU pit bull:



I will add that it is time to move on from this, myself included. What happened is over, and everyone knows how it went down. The Boilers need support now, from each and every fan. BTFU!!

Yep I am with you. In the end we all just want to win and should celebrate how things turned around.

I'm sorry just a tad that I brought it up and helped in turning this thread in to something I don't think the OP intended. At this point I think we all just need to agree to disagree and get ready for the BTT.

Good Lord Please! LOL Can we get past this and stop beating this dead horse.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

I am so excited for next season I think we will be a top 10 team at some point if AJ returns but top 25 if he doesn't. I know everyone says the loss of Octeus will hurt but everyone on the roster should be improved which means the team should be lots better still.

 

[Beeazlebub]

Re: deuce is right . . .

"I really hope he learned from it and we don't see that basement again. Purdue is not a basement program in BB."

This is the key part of this issue. If this season's improvement is indicative of a long-term trend, then I think he not only learned from the past two seasons, but made the appropriate changes to address the situation.

Explanations are not the same as excuses, and reflecting and understanding what happened the previous two years is a critical part of improving the situation. Beyond the obvious change in recruiting strategy, I do not think you can discount issues in Painter's personal life (divorce) as playing a part in recent struggles.

 

[Heller]

If Painter hadn't started playing Scott, Smotherman and Hammons we wouldn't be dancing.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Originally posted by hunkgolden:

Think of all of people who were calling for among other things:
1. Painter to be fired
2. Mathias to get little to no playing time
3. Bryson to get more playing time
4. Stephens to get more playing time
5. Basil to get more playing time

After all of the complaints and hand wringing about coaching and playing time, the team has gone from last to tied for 3rd and is a Wisky win today away from securing a 1st round bye in the BTT and is most certainly on it's way to the NCAA tournament.

All in all I think the comments by a majority of posters were justified (even #1), and I won't give them any static on them.....

#1 It is certainly not out of the ordinary for a coach who has had two awful basement dweller seasons for people to be calling for him to be fired. NO ONE should be given any grief for that as Painter himself said it was inexcusable.

#2 Mathias was playing like crap early on. If you play like crap, it is totally reasonable for posters to notice and question playing time. If you think back to Mathias early games and the awful stats he put up, I think if you are reasonable about it you can see why people said those things.

#3. The only reason people thought Bryson should get more time was...at the time PJT was playing below piss poor..

#4 Did not notice this comment much.

#5 I think Basil played his way to PT people thought he should be getting and justified those comments although really I did not notice comments about Basil's PT much.

While I was one that questioned Painter not based on coaching BUT on recruiting....and will continue to do so as it is so vital to the Purdue program that I will always question a classes that I think Purdue should do better. Never ever said he should be fired but even now I ill watch that 2016 class very critically. Likewise, I gave him a lot of credit for recent classes and the up tick in recruiting in those classes since 2012 is the biggest reason we are where we are now.

Other than that I was guilty of #2. Even then I liked to watch his play, even if he pts, shooting and especially D is not where it is now.

 

[potfhindy]

The more you post, the more you know. Those who have fewer than 500 posts should have their opinions discounted by at least 50%. We need more rules on this board and fewer licenses to post. The early season losses were part of the Master Plan and all posts of criticism of play were clearly ill founded.

 

[since1980]

I've been one of those who has been very critical of Painter and I won't hide from that. I also don't have a high number of posts because I haven't been on here long enough to have thousands and I don't feel the need to comment all the time just to comment. Having a lot of posts on there means nothing other than you are on the message boards a lot.

I think Painter is a pretty decent coach, which his record shows. I think he represents the program well and the University. So did Gene Keady over his tenure. They are good company men. They are good enough that they are hard to fire, but not good enough to get you to the promise land.

But I look at the big picture. Many people on here are quick to praise and say 'I told you so' because we went 12-6 in the conference. But I look at it as we have some pretty good talent, the only team with pretty good twin towers inside, a really good 5th year PG, skilled 3 and 4 men...so there is no reason we shouldn't have done well. I predicted 23 regular season wins, which would have been pretty accurate had we not blown the N. Florida and Gardner Webb game. So in my mind we underachieved a bit overall. If we lose our first and only BTT game and finish with 20 wins, I don't think we would be a lock for the tourney.

I don't get why some Purdue fans on here argue that being average is something to write home about and puff their chest out saying I told you so. I like Painter, but my beef is I don't think when you look at the big picture that he can recruit well enough and develop players well enough to make us a serious title contender. Yes, he is a good coach in terms of competing in the BIG 10 and he wins a lot of BIG 10 COY awards for that.

But I want Final Fours and consistent top 25 teams. I don't want round of 32 or sweet 16 losses that are made to feel like moral victories because we almost won against 1 or 2 seeds. I don't want players who are afraid to shoot because the coach publicly doesn't instill confidence in them.

No reason any Purdue fans should be gloating because we might sneak into the tournament, just because pre-season predictions said we weren't going to be any good. This team is talented enough it could have won 23-25 regular season games. Our sophomore class has almost regressed since last year.

Having said all of that (which I know I will get ripped for since I am not happy happy happy drinking the cool-aid), I hope Purdue plays to their potential the rest of the way out and Painter gets us to a Final Four. I don't see any reason why this team couldn't get there. We have a 5th year PG, a couple of shooters who can get hot, versatile 3 and 4 men, and a couple of the most effective 5 men in the country....and we play pretty good defense. If we make a run, I will be the first to praise Painter and say I was wrong.

 

[gelesen]

So what do you want?an'an

Sounds like your mad we had a good year and you're still living in the past. Sure you can't reverse the last to years but so what. They are history. I guess if want to dwell on them suit yourself.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I think that there's no reason to believe that Painter isn't capable of coaching Purdue to a Final Four. He had the team to get there twice before Hummel suffered two ACL tears.
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[TwinDegrees2]

Re: deuce is right . . .

Originally posted by boiler-deuce:
Last place for 2 years did happen. We weren't proven wrong. They are facts.


And this:

Deuce, one question for you. Would you rather have what has happened at Purdue the last three years or what has happened at IU the last three years? Matt or Clappy? AJ/Haas or HMP? Davis/Octeus or JBJ/Yogi.

Are you serious? With all due respect, I don't give a ratsass about IU. I don't "rather" either one. I'd "rather" have Painter not drop the ball like he did for years. I'd "rather" be like MSU or Wisky. And, I'm sorry if this ruffles feathers, but, Painter had the table set. He hit the ground running and was in a position to set the nation on fire. He could have staked his claim on this state and all states in the Mid-West with the momentum he had. If he hadn't messed up, we'd be a premier school right now. He had the world in the palm of his hand....and effed it up. Just because we'll probably make the NCAA doesn't mean he didn't eff up big time. He pissed it away. I really hope he learned from it and we don't see that basement again. Purdue is not a basement program in BB.

It wasn't about IU, but about what can and does happen. I could have said Nebraska, Penn State, any team with a let down. My point is Purdue is moving up, getting back to where NOT JUST YOU, but all Purdue fans want them to be. Revisionist history is just that and some folks ain't happy unless they're unhappy.

 

[lbodel]

Do you realize what you're "demanding"....there's about 3 programs in the county that do that consistently? And hell, Kentucky was in the NIT 2 years ago!

As of right now, there are 8 teams that have been to the NCAA Tournament more than 5 years in a row.

Half of the NCAA Tournament is simply luck of the draw. Butler made the national championship game 2 years in a row. They were a 5 seed and an 8 seed those two years. Of the 8 teams those two years in the Final Four, 1 was a #1 seed.

Your demands would end with almost every coach deserving to be fired according to your standards.

 

[since1980]

It is sports. Why as a fan should I be excited that we are just a solid program and have been to 1 final four since I was born???
Why should I want to settle for average results? Why be ok that the 5 star talent doesn't really consider Purdue and goes to our conference rivals???? Why should we be ok with that?

Yes, I would totally risk firing a very solid coach like Painter after he has shown exactly what he can do with the program in hopes that throwing a ton of money to a Shaka Smart or throwing as much money as humanly possible at Brad Stephens might start bringing in a 5 star recruit every once in a while and give us a better shot at having a higher ceiling.

Theo Epstein fired a manager who did a really good job with the Cubs last year in his FIRST year with a bunch of youngsters because he wants to win a world series...so he did what he had to do to get the best manager in baseball (according to some people's opinions).

As a Purdue fan, we are all taught that we should be the little brother of OSU and Michigan and IU. It doesn't need to be that way. With the right people in place and right formula, we can be a top program. Blindly supporting average only keeps us average.

 

[PU pit bull]

Didn't you just say," I hope Purdue plays to their potential the rest of the way out and Painter gets us to a Final Four. I don't see any reason why this team couldn't get there."

and," But I look at it as we have some pretty good talent, the only team with pretty good twin towers inside, a really good 5th year PG, skilled 3 and 4 men...so there is no reason we shouldn't have done well."

and,"This team is talented enough it could have won 23-25 regular season games"

but then you said,"I like Painter, but my beef is I don't think when you look at the big picture that he can recruit well enough and develop players well enough to make us a serious title contender."

and then followed up with,"If we make a run, I will be the first to praise Painter and say I was wrong."

Still trying to figure this one out," I don't want players who are afraid to shoot because the coach publicly doesn't instill confidence in them."

Now you're talking about "blindly supporting average"?

I guess I don't know where you stand, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

 

[lbodel]

Ok first off, never compare pro sports and college sports. There are 30 teams in Major League Baseball. There are almost HALF that number just in the Big Ten.

Secondly, please don't ever use the Cubs as a comparison to what Purdue should strive for. LOL

Third, I never said we should "settle" and "shouldn't try", but things aren't simple. If what you're saying should be "standard" was so simple, more teams would be doing it, right? I've made several posts on the basketball and football boards about how Purdue shouldn't act like second class citizens, should be more confident, have high expectations. But there's also a reality.

It's also hilarious that you say you'd fire Matt Painter for Shaka Smart or Brad Stevens because they can get us a 5 star recruit. Can you let me know how many 5 star recruits they ever had committed? It's 0. Brad Stevens had 2 four star recruits in...6 years? Shaka Smart's team has the same record in the A10 as Purdue has in the Big Ten.

Also, how many programs have gone and spent a fortune on the "next big thing" only to see it explode in their face? Look at our neighbors to the south. And using the same school as an example, having 5 star recruits is great - but what happens if you can't coach a team?

Purdue has the ability to get top notch recruits - we've had good recruiting classes. 5 star recruits are not common. Currently, there is 1 five star recruit committed to a Big Ten program. In 2014, there were 3 total that went to Big Ten schools. In 2013, there were 3. You know where 33% of those went to? IU.

I mean my goodness, are there things Purdue can do to improve, both internally within the basketball staff, and externally in terms of the athletic department? ABSOLUTELY. Purdue is just now getting to the point of having a consistent coaching staff. They probably need to wrap up 1 successful year to really get some traction. But there's just no such thing as the perfect coach. Painter is one of the best coaches out there (particularly at his age) in some facets of the game. Does he have weaknesses? Sure. But the guy is 44 years old and has 211 wins at Purdue in 11 seasons.

But what you're saying is the problem and your solution is a bit absurd. Cool it.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

lbodal - I completely agree. Well said.

Painter is still a young coach with a very promising future. He took over a last place program and is about to take it to it's 7th NCAA Tournament in 9 years.
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[BillzMC]

Originally posted by lbodel:
Ok first off, never compare pro sports and college sports. There are 30 teams in Major League Baseball. There are almost HALF that number just in the Big Ten.

Secondly, please don't ever use the Cubs as a comparison to what Purdue should strive for. LOL

Third, I never said we should "settle" and "shouldn't try", but things aren't simple. If what you're saying should be "standard" was so simple, more teams would be doing it, right? I've made several posts on the basketball and football boards about how Purdue shouldn't act like second class citizens, should be more confident, have high expectations. But there's also a reality.

It's also hilarious that you say you'd fire Matt Painter for Shaka Smart or Brad Stevens because they can get us a 5 star recruit. Can you let me know how many 5 star recruits they ever had committed? It's 0. Brad Stevens had 2 four star recruits in...6 years? Shaka Smart's team has the same record in the A10 as Purdue has in the Big Ten.

Also, how many programs have gone and spent a fortune on the "next big thing" only to see it explode in their face? Look at our neighbors to the south. And using the same school as an example, having 5 star recruits is great - but what happens if you can't coach a team?

Purdue has the ability to get top notch recruits - we've had good recruiting classes. 5 star recruits are not common. Currently, there is 1 five star recruit committed to a Big Ten program. In 2014, there were 3 total that went to Big Ten schools. In 2013, there were 3. You know where 33% of those went to? IU.

I mean my goodness, are there things Purdue can do to improve, both internally within the basketball staff, and externally in terms of the athletic department? ABSOLUTELY. Purdue is just now getting to the point of having a consistent coaching staff. They probably need to wrap up 1 successful year to really get some traction. But there's just no such thing as the perfect coach. Painter is one of the best coaches out there (particularly at his age) in some facets of the game. Does he have weaknesses? Sure. But the guy is 44 years old and has 211 wins at Purdue in 11 seasons.

But what you're saying is the problem and your solution is a bit absurd. Cool it.

Dude Absolutely +1 to this!!

You nailed it with this post. I'm standing up and clapping from my desk right now after this post, people are looking at me funny and I don't even care...

 

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What the hell happened in this thread?


College sports is cyclic. Every team has its good years, and its bad years, some just has more than others. I remember when PU was one of the top football programs in the nation, #5 in the nation, playing #10 Wisconsin, and basically had the game up 10. (will never forget this game). Orton, fumbled, Wisconsin scooped, scored, and basically, Purdue never recovered as a football program. We've been going downhill since and have hit rock bottom and it doesn't look like its changing.


Purdue was awful for 2 straight years in basketball recently, Painter was going through a tough time in his life, NCAA changed rules that seemed to directly effect Purdue more than any other country with the style of defense we played, and we recruited some pretty "high" ranked players who just never panned out.