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Lighten up. I was just having fun with it. And no, even though I'm conservative, I don't believe Obama's a terrorist. That's rather idiotic. However, if you don't find it a bit coincidental that the media is overhyping the COVID pandemic and driving a wedge between races in an election year, well, we probably wouldn't agree on the topic...

Ok, I'll lighten up. Usually don't take these boards seriously but that one just really rubbed me the wrong way.

We'll just agree to disagree on the media / COVID. I don't see any "liberal agenda" And not that it matters but I consider myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I've voted for Republican, Democrats and Libertarian. Voted for Obama in 08 but not in 12.
 
Death rates are down due to finally discovering the drugs that work that's all. Recover times are longer and costlier, in the hot spot metro areas have both hospitals and ICU's near their max's, after effects are still present in many RECOVERED patients, the fallacy that young do not get infected or die has been debunked, long term effects of contacting the disease are still unknown and all you worry about is deaths. In the Houston Metro area KIDS 0-19 now make up 12% of positive tests and growing!

Very glad you are not in a position of authority to make decisions regarding students.

AAP overwhelmingly supports kids going back to school. On the data they have looked at, the flu is a more dangerous virus than COVID in children. Children have been shown some ability to actually break the chain of infection.

So if you want to close schools now, once November hits are they closed until flu season is over? Since this is about keeping everyone safe and all.
 
AAP overwhelmingly supports kids going back to school. On the data they have looked at, the flu is a more dangerous virus than COVID in children. Children have been shown some ability to actually break the chain of infection.

So if you want to close schools now, once November hits are they closed until flu season is over? Since this is about keeping everyone safe and all.

Not in Texas, more systems are 1) delaying the start of the school year until after Labor Day and 2) when they do open it will be Virtual Learning only for a period of time. All three major population centers, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio have adopted that model. The way things are going look for FLA , CA and AZ to be next very soon!
 
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Not in Texas, more systems are 1) delaying the start of the school year until after Labor Day and 2) when they do open it will be Virtual Learning only for a period of time. All three major population centers, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio have adopted that model. The way things are going look for FLA , CA and AZ to be next very soon!

What does what Texas is doing have to do with the AAP recommendations? You just completely ignored what I said to repeat what you have said ad nauseum.
 
"irrational" is letting emotion drive a discussion and resulting decisions.

Jack, I've respected much of what you've posted in the past. What's going on with this virus has truly been "irrational".

Texas just pushed back the first day of practice to September 7 a one month delay. This is for the 5A and 6A schools, the biggest, due to the pandemic and also noted there may be further changes if the situation continues. Wear your irrational crown proudly as other stricken states will follow if their COVID situations continues!
 
What does what Texas is doing have to do with the AAP recommendations? You just completely ignored what I said to repeat what you have said ad nauseum.
Most medical Doctors and experts do not agree and state the students can learn at home and can be seriously physically harmed at school and their emotional state will recover when learning at home. Many parents have gone the home school route especially at the lower levels if they were forced to return to school in two weeks.
 
Most medical Doctors and experts do not agree and state the students can learn at home and can be seriously physically harmed at school and their emotional state will recover when learning at home. Many parents have gone the home school route especially at the lower levels if they were forced to return to school in two weeks.

"Most medical doctors and experts do not agree and state the students can be seriously physically harmed..."

I specifically site the AAP, you fall to some vague "experts say" BS. What experts? Experts like the group of physicians specifically looked to for the care of children?? GTFO with your alarmist drivel, many children are being seriously physically harmed by abusive parents because they can't get out of the house.

If parents want to homeschool, I fully support their decision. However, being forced into that decision by fear-mongering teachers and politicians is something I do not support.
 
Texas just pushed back the first day of practice to September 7 a one month delay. This is for the 5A and 6A schools, the biggest, due to the pandemic and also noted there may be further changes if the situation continues. Wear your irrational crown proudly as other stricken states will follow if their COVID situations continues!

"Irrational"... clearly, that word does not mean what you think it means.

I've cited statistics ... data ... trends ... historical comments/decisions about COVID vis-a-vis current comments/decisions ... demonstrated how the goal is no longer the goal ... advanced a rational discussion of this virus, and what we are and should be doing.

You provide emotion. Meaningless retorts. Posts bereft of substance.

The decision of "Texas" is irrelevant, if there's no support for the decisions, no science (or data) backing the decisions, and no clear objective to reach. In the absence of any of that, it's simply an emotional, irrational reaction.

"hey, we should go along because ... Texas ... 5A and 6A schools ... "

Be better, Jack. Offer something of substance, instead of parroting what someone else decides. You can blindly follow, or engage in critical thinking and analysis. So far, you've chosen the former.
 
"Irrational"... clearly, that word does not mean what you think it means.

I've cited statistics ... data ... trends ... historical comments/decisions about COVID vis-a-vis current comments/decisions ... demonstrated how the goal is no longer the goal ... advanced a rational discussion of this virus, and what we are and should be doing.

You provide emotion. Meaningless retorts. Posts bereft of substance.

The decision of "Texas" is irrelevant, if there's no support for the decisions, no science (or data) backing the decisions, and no clear objective to reach. In the absence of any of that, it's simply an emotional, irrational reaction.

"hey, we should go along because ... Texas ... 5A and 6A schools ... "

Be better, Jack. Offer something of substance, instead of parroting what someone else decides. You can blindly follow, or engage in critical thinking and analysis. So far, you've chosen the former.

You obviously want the last say in your incorrect assessment of the situation so after you respond to this you will not see any further responses from me but riddle me this 1) if one tests positive and recovers then tests positive a second time at a later date is he counted once or twice by the CDC 2) what are the KNOWN long term effects that still persist in many recovered COVID patients 3) tell me the which of the current hot spot southern states have lower daily DEATHS now, not a unless % recently since their established HIGHS during the first shutdown and finally your % rate is THE easiest number for a state to manipulate by their number of tests given without respect to the area they were given in versus the hot spot counties %'s.
 
You obviously want the last say in your incorrect assessment of the situation so after you respond to this you will not see any further responses from me but riddle me this 1) if one tests positive and recovers then tests positive a second time at a later date is he counted once or twice by the CDC 2) what are the KNOWN long term effects that still persist in many recovered COVID patients 3) tell me the which of the current hot spot southern states have lower daily DEATHS now, not a unless % recently since their established HIGHS during the first shutdown and finally your % rate is THE easiest number for a state to manipulate by their number of tests given without respect to the area they were given in versus the hot spot counties %'s.

You've become unhinged (and, dare I say, incredibly "irrational"?!) on this topic. You've refused to acknowledge the data and the progress. You've written post after post, amounting to nothing more than panic porn.

If you post something that's nothing more than fear mongering and panic porn, yeah... you run the "risk" of being called on it. You did, and you have. If you choose to continue to post in such a manner, I'll reserve the right to respond. Don't like it? Don't post. It's really no more difficult than that.

Since you called me out and specifically asked questions, it's absurd to think I wouldn't respond.

So, I will.

Re #1, "counting issues" have been reported in the media. The number of "duplicate positives" is unknown. There have been many reports/accounts of erroneous and unreliable data from testing. Ditto COVID-caused deaths. You refuse to admit and acknowledge that. Bottom line, the fact we have significant increases in tests administered, along with the positive test, countered by a massive drop in fatalities and hospitalizations, can lead to different conclusions, all favorable.

Re #2, in short, since COVID was only discovered a few months ago, the long term effects are merely speculation. What we do know, is that prior strains of influenza have had long-term respiratory effects. Long term effects from COVID are not out of the question, and might even be expected.

Re #3, hot spots occur with virtually every strain of virus; they flare up in one spot then subside, only to flare up in another then subside. When months have gone by and the overall fatality rate AND hospitalization rates are dropping substantially (massively!), that's an incredibly POSITIVE sign and reason for encouragement, not doom and gloom. It's certainly not a reason to strangle the public even more with onerous restrictions.

Jack, I don't live my life in worry and dread over things that present a low risk to me. I absolutely want to keep safe all the high-risk people in my life. Embracing panic porn as you have is simply not the way to combat a virus like this. Reasonable minds can disagree. You've taken "ureasonable-ness" (and irrationality) to a new level with this topic.
 
Ok, I'll lighten up. Usually don't take these boards seriously but that one just really rubbed me the wrong way.

We'll just agree to disagree on the media / COVID. I don't see any "liberal agenda" And not that it matters but I consider myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I've voted for Republican, Democrats and Libertarian. Voted for Obama in 08 but not in 12.
Well, who's driving the Covid agenda overseas?
 
AAP overwhelmingly supports kids going back to school. On the data they have looked at, the flu is a more dangerous virus than COVID in children. Children have been shown some ability to actually break the chain of infection.

So if you want to close schools now, once November hits are they closed until flu season is over? Since this is about keeping everyone safe and all.
Have a very good friends lose a family member and friend of his family to Covid. I had the flu back in 2015, which do you think I'm more afraid of?
 
We shoukd definitely drive policy based on your personal experience
No! But think GOD none of you dummies (me being nice) were around during the Polio epidemic, You would have said it was happening to poor people only. Not to worry.
 
Tell that to the almost 139,000 dead Americans the youngest being only 11 years old and many more that have died of strokes while having COVID! The US also set a new high in deaths YESTERDAY!

Due to the required process of being verified that the cause of death was the COVID-19 and marked that way on the Death Certificate most experts agree that the death number is actually quite higher in that if one dies outside of the hospital or ER room if an autopsy is not performed they go unreported. Autopsies are not free so the rate of those being performed is quite low.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-covid-19-deaths-are-counted1/

I tried telling that to the almost 139,000 dead Americans, but for some reason, they were unresponsive. Biden is still trying to figure out why.
 
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To be counted each of the 139,000 verified deaths were certified through THREE protocols…
Only confirmed deaths from COVID-19 are reported, suspected deaths are not. To record a confirmed death from the virus requires a complete death certificate, and a complete death certificate has three components. One is medical, which is filled out by a doctor, hospital staff or a medical examiner’s office depending on where a person dies. The remaining portions are filled out by the funeral home and the family, this is where slowdowns can occur. In some cases, it’s hard to find family members and they have to do their due diligence to find family members! If one dies at home without an autopsy is another non-counter since they are not free many don’t!

The actual number is higher but for reasons mentioned Above they have not been counted, FACTS not OPINIONS!
Please cite sources for this. It is contrary to everything that is being reported.
 
It is the only way to identify the asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19 that are not sick, show no symptoms, pass the Temperature check with flying colors while they infect others until they are treated with the appropriate drugs!
Are you at a standstill in your you life or are you living life? We must move forward at this point. I’ve been wearing masks when and where appropriate and sanitize as much as possible, but I and many others are moving forward thru these painful life experiences.
I mean no ill will to you. I’m just letting you and others know where I stand. I’m talking to as many youth about these same feelings so they know it is ok to be concerned, but push onward. They have much to live for in these trying times.
 
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To be counted each of the 139,000 verified deaths were certified through THREE protocols…
Only confirmed deaths from COVID-19 are reported, suspected deaths are not. To record a confirmed death from the virus requires a complete death certificate, and a complete death certificate has three components. One is medical, which is filled out by a doctor, hospital staff or a medical examiner’s office depending on where a person dies. The remaining portions are filled out by the funeral home and the family, this is where slowdowns can occur. In some cases, it’s hard to find family members and they have to do their due diligence to find family members! If one dies at home without an autopsy is another non-counter since they are not free many don’t!

The actual number is higher but for reasons mentioned Above they have not been counted, FACTS not OPINIONS!

In Illinois, if you die with COIV-19, whether or not it was the cause of death, it is counted as a COIVD-19 death.
 
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Our players face a much greater risk from heat stroke or CTE than from COVID-19. And the coaches, referees, fans likely face a greater risk of being in a car accident traveling to the game than dying from COVID-19. These are risk that we were willing to take in the past (though, CTE has caused some to some parents to keep kids out of football), but with the current media hysteria around COVID-19, we've lost all form of common sense.

Same thing with schools, 20+ kids will die this year riding or getting on/off a school bus. Yet we'll take that risk versus the remote chance of a child spreading or dying from COVID-19. And college students -- alcohol, STDs, etc. -- all chances taken in the past, but not COVID-19 -- too dangerous. Again, common sense out the door.
 
In Illinois, if you die with COIV-19, whether or not it was the cause of death, it is counted as a COIVD-19 death.
My aunt in Illinois was telling me of a person whom died and they initially attributed the death to Covid19, but when challenged, they had to go back and remove Covid19 from the death certificate. ...
It almost sounded as if some may be getting Covid19 as a default cause when it may be natural causes or too much work to determine otherwise.
 
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154,391 US deaths at of the end of business 7/31/2020, Indiana’s toll now almost 3,000 and growing rapidly as more HS’s to delay openings and to open virtually with some shutting down their Athletics.
 
Like the US, Indiana's fatality rate has diminished, and is near zero.

For Indiana, 92% of fatalities were over age 60, with 0.1% younger than age 20.

Administrators and politicians are pushing panic porn by threatening to shut down HS athletics. There is (and never was) a threat to HS athletes, or students in general.
 
Like the US, Indiana's fatality rate has diminished, and is near zero.

For Indiana, 92% of fatalities were over age 60, with 0.1% younger than age 20.

Administrators and politicians are pushing panic porn by threatening to shut down HS athletics. There is (and never was) a threat to HS athletes, or students in general.
Lake Central administration has decided to shut down the fall sports for a month. Not sure if the virus is the concern or limiting the losses for the football team. Lol!
 
As a teacher and a coach in a state that is one of the hot spots of America I have to DISAGREE with you all 100%. You don't test the waters and then find out you got a group of athletes, coaches, officials, stadium personnel sick, you wait until the pandemic is controlled and it by no means is in about 33+ states!
Should be full go with 100% fan attendance.
 
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Done…B1G & PAC pulled the plug on Fall Football as they should have due to the pandemic! Hopefully they can salvage the School’s Fall semester! Over 5,000,000 US COVID cases and 163,100 US deaths!
 
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Done…B1G & PAC pulled the plug on Fall Football as they should have due to the pandemic! Hopefully they can salvage the School’s Fall semester! Over 5,000,000 US COVID cases and 163,100 US deaths!
It was a snowflake move giving in to lefitst propaganda. I know I just said to others to keep the political stuff of the forum, but that is all we have now.
 
Done…B1G & PAC pulled the plug on Fall Football as they should have due to the pandemic! Hopefully they can salvage the School’s Fall semester! Over 5,000,000 US COVID cases and 163,100 US deaths!
What a moronic statement. They absolutely should be playing football. There is a greater risk that these kids get killed traveling to games than there is that they die from Covid.
 
I think the morons are those that think this was a bad decision. There are many older people that support the Football Program such as Coaches, Cafeteria personnel, Athletic Department personnel, residence personnel, etc. Ya’ll are too narrow minded and only thinking of the players!
 
I think the morons are those that think this was a bad decision. There are many older people that support the Football Program such as Coaches, Cafeteria personnel, Athletic Department personnel, residence personnel, etc. Ya’ll are too narrow minded and only thinking of the players!
Yep its called a job,
 
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With out football they can be relived of there duties

Opt out. Take a LOA. Ask employers to work with people to find a way they can keep their job while they feel.... "unsafe".

The moronic position is the one that says everything has to be shut down if one person is at risk. Nowhere, and at no time, have we ever done that before.

I'd like to be kind, but that's just stupid. Shut down the entire country, the economy, all events, everything . . . if there's just one person that might feel at risk.

SMDH
 
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