Saw Lou Holtz giving his 2 cents on playing college football this season and the National anthem. Gotta say I agreed with him all the way.
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Saw the same interview...........was spot on... from Northern IN area.....at least High School football a go...but no fans to start! We really need football this Fall....just to get away from the BS media 24/7 of all th e crap going on in this country!! They atleast need to roll it out and see how this shakes out before just cancelling it all together!! But you can count on just one person getting it during a game, the LIB Media will pounce all over it!
As a teacher and a coach in a state that is one of the hot spots of America I have to DISAGREE with you all 100%. You don't test the waters and then find out you got a group of athletes, coaches, officials, stadium personnel sick, you wait until the pandemic is controlled and it by no means is in about 33+ states!
Get rid of the democrats and the virus and Racism will go away.
And therein lies my problem with the "handling" of this virus from day one: we have never, EVER defined success, or even what "controlled" means.
From the outset, my question was, "what defines 'all clear'?"
At first it was, "15 days to flatten the curve"; a recognition that we were never going to prevent people from contracting the virus, we simply wanted to make sure our medical facilities were not overrun so we could properly treat the people who catch the virus.
Now, for some unknown reason, we're trying to keep people from transmitting the virus ... a virus that is clearly run it's course and is now a low-level threat to people who are healthy and without compromised immune systems.
This "pandemic" is close to losing it's status as a "pandemic". Yet, we're seeing a grip that is tightening around the American people, with those in positions of authority working to control more of the movements and actions of the public, insisting they wear masks . . . Masks that many medical professionals have admitted have zero benefit. Those same people in positions of authority are demanding the most healthy among us immediately discontinue their athletic efforts.
Now, with all that stated, we're finding out the reporting is (at best) unreliable, and (at worst) manipulated. We do NOT have the infection rates as they've been reporting. And, what's more, we may not have the mortality rates as they have been reported.
yet, we're all just supposed to shut the hell up and fall in line like sheep.
"...you wait until the pandemic is controlled..."
...as measured by ..................................................??????????????
Here's what you don't seem to understand. You don't "control" a pandemic. You flatten the curve, minimize risk to the most vulnerable, and move on. What's happening right now with shutting things down is a joke and a crime. We're told COVID doesn't spread by protests outdoors where people are shoulder to shoulder. And then we say there's no way we'll play football, outdoors. And don't tell me protesters didn't spread it because they were wearing masks. I saw plenty of protesters yelling in the faces of police officers without masks on. And there's no damn way a cloth mask is going to prevent transmission when you're yelling shoulder to shoulder.
Flatten the curve is the start and then you must see a decline. All flattening does is keep the same number of people getting infected or re-infected! We had two players test positive and immediately shut down for two weeks to stop the spread! Unfortunately even at the high school level social distancing is the most difficult step for the players to master. We had control of masks indoors and social distancing in outdoors drills but the second they started to leave all that went out the door! Just like the bar scenes once people got in the door! The MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, etc with all their protocols, money, daily testing, not just taking a temperature cannot keep all their players safe and you expect high schools to be able to do practice and play, false expectations!
You've been spewing this horseshit for weeks on basketball and football pages. The overwhelmingly majority of posters do NOT WANT to see political bullshit...especially your uneducated, inane drivel. Knock this crap off.
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Nonsense. Balderdash. Bullsh*t.
Early on, all the advocates for flattening the curve showed the curve still rising, but rising over a longer time frame... again, with the sole purpose of not overwhelming medical facilities.
Anyone claiming otherwise is simply moving the goal posts.
"Keeping players safe" is a nonsensical term. If the players are otherwise healthy, they can withstand the COVID-19 virus, the flu virus, or any similar virus.
We've accomplished what we set out to accomplish. Fatality rates are nearing ZERO.
Any argument to do anything other than what we've accomplished has an ulterior motive.
It's time to move on and put this behind us.
Early on, all the advocates for flattening the curve showed the curve still rising, but rising over a longer time frame... again, with the sole purpose of not overwhelming medical facilities.
Anyone claiming otherwise is simply moving the goal posts.
"Keeping players safe" is a nonsensical term. If the players are otherwise healthy, they can withstand the COVID-19 virus, the flu virus, or any similar virus.
We've accomplished what we set out to accomplish. Fatality rates are nearing ZERO.
Any argument to do anything other than what we've accomplished has an ulterior motive.
It's time to move on and put this behind us.
We’ll have to agree in disagreement. Cases are up, so are the volume of tests. Deaths per week are down. Heaviest death toll per week was in April & early May. Younger age groups are testing positive and of those, a high populace are showing minor or no symptoms.
Still a serious concern, but no show stopping, stay at home, educate online type of reaction at this point.
Cases are up because every street corner in America now has testing. In Indiana, we went from 4 testing sites to 211 in something like 8 to 10 weeks.
Tell that to the almost 139,000 dead Americans the youngest being only 11 years old and many more that have died of strokes while having COVID! The US also set a new high in deaths YESTERDAY!
Due to the required process of being verified that the cause of death was the COVID-19 and marked that way on the Death Certificate most experts agree that the death number is actually quite higher in that if one dies outside of the hospital or ER room if an autopsy is not performed they go unreported. Autopsies are not free so the rate of those being performed is quite low.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-covid-19-deaths-are-counted1/
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It is the only way to identify the asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19 that are not sick, show no symptoms, pass the Temperature check with flying colors while they infect others until they are treated with the appropriate drugs!
I think we can all agree that if one is personally on the receiving end of a talk by Lou Holtz, a face shield is in order.
"Tell that to the almost 139,000 dead Americans..." What a ridiculous statement, a statement with only one intent: to shut down the conversation.
I'm telling it to everybody. None of what you posted refutes any of my points.
What's more, you, nor I, nor anyone else has any idea how many of those 139,000 died as a result of COVID-19. The included people who died with COVID along with those who died from COVID.
By the CDC's own numbers, at most, the hospitals are seeing a 3-4% increase in COVID patients. Three... to four... percent. Nationwide hospitalizations are down 1-2%, then they're up 1-2%.... while deaths have dropped like a rock.
And again, when you look at all the data, this virus is not creating large mortality numbers for those who are young and healthy. You're in an extremely weak position if you want to argue: "if we just save one life". Or, the equivalent, "there was an 11 year old who died with COVID." Of course those lives are precious. Of course we don't want to lose a single life. If you're going to make that argument, start banning pools, peanut butter, bicycles, cars...
It's ridiculous to say "most experts agree". Most experts most certainly do NOT agree. What's more, this isn't a popularity contest to see how many experts agree. It's true... many people were counted as a COVID fatality when they died with the virus, not from the virus.
"15 days to flatten the curve." The curve was flattened.
To be counted each of the 139,000 verified deaths were certified through THREE protocols…
Only confirmed deaths from COVID-19 are reported, suspected deaths are not. To record a confirmed death from the virus requires a complete death certificate, and a complete death certificate has three components. One is medical, which is filled out by a doctor, hospital staff or a medical examiner’s office depending on where a person dies. The remaining portions are filled out by the funeral home and the family, this is where slowdowns can occur. In some cases, it’s hard to find family members and they have to do their due diligence to find family members! If one dies at home without an autopsy is another non-counter since they are not free many don’t!
The actual number is higher but for reasons mentioned Above they have not been counted, FACTS not OPINIONS!
I think its quite the opposite of that. Yes, 139K deaths are tragic. But there are multiple reports of deaths where someone had covid, but died of another cause. Yet it was still classified as covid. There were also reports of overcounting positive covid cases in Florida where someone waited in line for testing for numerous hours, ended up not being testing, and then received a positive covid test result. At this point, I don't trust any of the reported numbers, especially from the media.
The death rate is down from March/April. That's a fact. And it's a fact because doctors know how to better treat it and testing rates are significantly higher.
Not in Texas... ours is up substantially and I noticed Indiana's is growing too but not at the rates seen in Fla, Georgia, Arizona, California and Texas. In Texas overall percentage of infection found after testing around 16% and the hospitals in the Urban areas Dallas, San Antonio and Houston are packed! More schools are moving their start to AFTER Labor Day and then virtual leaning for most of the first QTR of school....FACT. Check the John Hopkins Covid site for more facts! https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html and for Indiana https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states/indiana
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Umm, I said DEATH RATE, not new cases. Death rate is down significantly.
Tell me sir what are the long term effects on one's body from contracting COVID-19, I and the rest of the world await your expertise! I completely know and understand that the DEATH RATE has been lowered due to a combination of drugs, do YOU know that the average hospital stay has INCREASED for those trying to recover. That is why in the states mentioned before has hospitals operating at or near capacity and elective surgeries have been cancelled. The medical staffs in those states are about at the end of what they can handle!
Very interesting.
Article: FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Questions raised after fatal motorcycle crash listed as COVID-19 death
The facts really aren't as you say they are. The actual numbers are not higher. In fact, they're lower.
The risks to those who are young and without a compromised immune system are extraordinarily low.
An extremely high number of our fatalities has been due to incredibly incompetent leadership; governors and other "leaders" forcing infected patients back into the most vulnerable environments (long term care facilities).
There is no agreement on masks. Even Dr. Fauci doesn't agree with himself. He's on record saying the masks are unnecessary (as are other "experts").
What's more, states are getting hammered with their incorrect reporting (or, at best, incredibly inconsistent reporting) of deaths and testing results.
There's entirely too much "panic porn" being fed to the public, and far too many people unwilling to question it.
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Jack, here's an article from medpagetoday.com (I'm unfamiliar with their work, but found the reporting interesting): LINK
The numerous quotes in that article amount to an incredible indictment as to how deaths are being reported. In short, reading articles like this and many others (along with the one cited above) should absolutely p*ss off all of us. Pandemics need to be taken seriously, and all of us deserve competent leadership; leadership that does not manipulate data and abuse their positions of power and authority in a tyrannical manner.
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Many respiratory viruses (including recent outbreaks of the flu) have long term effects.
Jack, CDC reports that COVID cases (hospitalizations) in the states I've seen listed as "hot spots" are up 3-4%.
The only FACT I've stated is that the DEATH RATE is down. You seem to not want to acknowledge that while you talk around it with all of these other statements...
Haha- remember when the New York Times printed thousands of names of Covid victims on the front page of their Sunday edition- and the SIXTH PERSON ON THE LIST had died of a gunshot wound!!???
Whoa!! Don't go there or GoldandBlackintheSaddle will beat you senseless virtually...
A massive increase in testing, death rates coming down, medical "professionals" (ha!) trying to claim a motorcycle accident is due to COVID-19, and still we need to have tyrannical control of the masses.
Kids are not an at-risk group.
Death rates are down due to finally discovering the drugs that work that's all. Recover times are longer and costlier, in the hot spot metro areas have both hospitals and ICU's near their max's, after effects are still present in many RECOVERED patients, the fallacy that young do not get infected or die has been debunked, long term effects of contacting the disease are still unknown and all you worry about is deaths. In the Houston Metro area KIDS 0-19 now make up 12% of positive tests and growing!
Very glad you are not in a position of authority to make decisions regarding students.
Very glad you are not in a position of authority to make decisions regarding students.
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Death rates are down due to this virus running it's course.
This is like many viruses. The young simply do not succumb, en masse.
That's what the numbers show. Disagree?
Prove otherwise.
If that cannot be done, this is nothing more than panic porn... which is what we've seen from those driving the panic.
If you are not elderly, if you are not immunocompromised, you should go about your lives. PERIOD!
This is like many viruses. The young simply do not succumb, en masse.
That's what the numbers show. Disagree?
Prove otherwise.
If that cannot be done, this is nothing more than panic porn... which is what we've seen from those driving the panic.
If you are not elderly, if you are not immunocompromised, you should go about your lives. PERIOD!
Whoops!
More data manipulation.
San Antonio removes more positive cases... LINK
Yet... we're assured, there are STANDARDS... yes, standards, as to who is a COVID-19 and who is not.
Horse hockey.
This pandemic is being used (and abused) by those in authority.
Yet, we're to cower in fear... with a diaper on our face.
More data manipulation.
San Antonio removes more positive cases... LINK
Yet... we're assured, there are STANDARDS... yes, standards, as to who is a COVID-19 and who is not.
Horse hockey.
This pandemic is being used (and abused) by those in authority.
Yet, we're to cower in fear... with a diaper on our face.
"irrational" is letting emotion drive a discussion and resulting decisions.
Jack, I've respected much of what you've posted in the past. What's going on with this virus has truly been "irrational".
Pat,
I’m going to try and give a mindful reply to your post. Even though you were trying to call me out, I like you; we’ve shared some good times in game threads.
I really wish that there were no political discussions on the football / bb pages. They seem to serve no purpose other than further the divide in our country and say “hooray for our side.” For the most part, I try to avoid / ignore them but alas I caved in. As was pointed out in the ‘Hey Mods’ thread, it’s usually just a handful of posters who continually do the political crap. A couple of them think they’re being cute or witty with their not so veiled barbs and quips.
That said, I’m going to be a hypocrite and mention politics here. That particular garbage-poster I replied to has posted such things as “Obama is a terrorist” and “The liberals are racists and are responsible for this virus.” Good God man, it would almost be funny but that guy is serious. Hell, he may have even gotten a few “likes.”
Being that it is common knowledge that players, recruits, player’s families (Nojel’s mom, Haas’ uncle, Proctor’s dad, Kelsey Barlow, et al) read these forums, do you think a post that says, “Obama is a terrorist” is a good look for Purdue fans to have?
I would think that most rational people – even if they didn’t care for President Obama as a president – would agree that he is a very good and decent Human Being…about the farthest thing from a damn terrorist.
How do you think a young African American recruit might feel if he were to come on these boards or social media and see a Purdue fan write, “Obama is a terrorist.” Do you think that is a good look or a bad look?
If you want to align yourself with that cesspool-of-a-poster then go ahead. The next time Painter or Brohm misses out on a young African American recruit, just know that there was a possibility he sees part of the Purdue fan base write utter trash like “Obama is a terrorist.” So to you or anyone who reads these boards, look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself what you condone or condemn.
Lighten up. I was just having fun with it. And no, even though I'm conservative, I don't believe Obama's a terrorist. That's rather idiotic. However, if you don't find it a bit coincidental that the media is overhyping the COVID pandemic and driving a wedge between races in an election year, well, we probably wouldn't agree on the topic...
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