I think Coach Crean is due for a big contract extension with lots more guaranteed money. Can I get a second?
Let me be the first to say...
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Why would you not if you are an Indiana fan? He is the AP coach of the year and won the Big Ten regular season title outright by two games.
He is the first Indiana coach in 33 years to win two outright titles within four years. Purdue hasn't won an outright Big 10 title in 20 years. Michigan State has won one in the last 16 years.
I like Matt Painter, but what is your argument in favor of him as opposed to Tom Crean? Just curious...
clappy is a better coach than people on this board think but he is also very weird
Granted I guess. Is he any "weirder" than Bob Knight or Gene Keady or Rick Pitino or Tom Izzo?
If so, how is he "werider?"
Here here! More years for Crean! I have been championing his contract extension since the beginning of the season. IU fans just don't understand the gem they have in him. More years and money is certainly warranted for the Creanster!
maybe not Knight or Izzo but he is definitely weirder than Tim Miles, Painter, Chris Collins, Greg Gard, John Beilin, Thad Matta, etc. The list could go on and on.
We all know what weird means. You don't need examples or a definition.
Hell, . . I am just thrilled that he is coming back. I personally believe he fell into an team improvement, when Blackmon was injured. Without it, he could have been gone.
PS I am also hoping that all the IU fans vigorously disagree with me and makes sure he gets a 20 year extension !
PS I am also hoping that all the IU fans vigorously disagree with me and makes sure he gets a 20 year extension !
He's locked in now for years. All the IU fan's I know are now licking his boots when they were calling for his head about 2 months ago. An outright B1G title heals a lot...we know they crave banners to wave at us. LOL. I'm pretty glad as I think he pretty much sucks.
It is a great line from Seinfeld. I think the same thing after I watched Tom Crean make a scene at the UM game a few years back. ...and after I read what he said the OSU guard about him voting in the all-BIG contest. It was enough to know Crean was a clown. Regardless of his success this year, I still think he is a creepy clown. Keep him if you like, but I think Crean is a poor representative of IU.
I can see where that sentiment comes from.
Two outright B1G titles in four years, with this year winning by two games. A top ten team, and a really, really good incoming recruiting class.
Don't think IU will extend just yet, but an NCAA tournament run could up the ante.
Kudos to Abu for recognizing the accomplishment. We are rivals, but once the tourney starts I'm rooting for ALL B1G teams.
You must be drinking the Hoosier Koolaid. Put the pitcher of Koolaid down, step back from the table, and wait for the Big Ten Tourney choke and NCAA choke to roll around and you'll sober back up. How can you talk contracts when he hasn't even gotten the Big Ten regular season champs to the elite 8 or final 4. Anything less and he is just another coaching body. Here are some teams that he is very unlikely to beat in the tournament:
Syracuse - Yes, believe it or not
Maryland
Purdue
MSU
Kentucky
Utah
Butler
Iowa
Duke
North Carolina
Kansas
Oregon
I have no doubt that these teams will beat them and there are a dozen more that will be primed for the upset. Crean over Coach Cal? Ha, not going to happen. I'm not trying to slam IU, but their NCAA track record with Crean speaks for itself. 2 regoinal semi-final losses to Syracuse and Kentucky and one first round loss to Wichita State. He has only made it to NCAA three time with the hoosiers, just 3. All disappointments. Coaching blunders (defense, rotations, zone matchup disasters), all deer in the headlights type of situations.
I have to agree he has done/said some weird things that doesn't represent IU well , but he has gotten much better and a better coach.
I wanted him gone early in the year, but am very happy with him now.
Regardless of how we think, the rest of the country agrees he is doing one of the best jobs in the country.
It is a great line from Seinfeld. I think the same thing after I watched Tom Crean make a scene at the UM game a few years back. ...and after I read what he said the OSU guard about him voting in the all-BIG contest. It was enough to know Crean was a clown. Regardless of his success this year, I still think he is a creepy clown. Keep him if you like, but I think Crean is a poor representative of IU.
I don't think you get it.
I don't like Crean. I would fire him tomorrow, but.......wait for it.......he's better than Painter.
You can argue that, but you'd be wrong. And....you know it.
I'm not satisfied that Crean is the coach at IU. I don't expect him to be a consistent winner, but if Painter were head coach at IU, I'd be looking for a bridge from which to leap.
I also want to thank honey_badger for continuing to slam IU and Crean.
He's like a freaking good luck charm for the Hoosiers!
I am starting to come around to the idea that he must be an IU fan trolling these boards.
Nobody could possibly be that clueless.
He's like a freaking good luck charm for the Hoosiers!
I am starting to come around to the idea that he must be an IU fan trolling these boards.
Nobody could possibly be that clueless.
But I would send my grandkids to Painter in a heart beat and know they would grow up to be the kind of men I want them to be...Send them to Crean and if they don't get creaned odds are they will get arrested for drugs or alcohol.....
This is a good and valid point. I can't stand IU, and I do think Crean is strange, but he is the better coach. He has accomplished more then CMP.
I don't like Tom Crean but IU is a far, far bigger party school than Purdue is. I went to IU and I've been in West Lafayette many times. Very different campus and culture. Things are going to happen sometimes and sometimes kids are going to do stupid things. Very tough thing to control and I'll bet Matt Painter, DJ Byrd and Kelsey Barlow know what I'm talking about.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Just because a kid gets suspended or kicked off doesn't equate to driving drunk, seriously injuring another player and continuing the same behavior. Barlow was never arrested for anything. He simply broke rules set up by his coach. DJ did nothing wrong and should never have been suspended and likely would not have if he played for Crean. The only thing you are correct about is that IU is a big party school and Purdue isn't.
...and all the players who were involved in the serious stuff were sent packing. Crean moronically gave Perea a light punishment the first time and paid a major price. Yogi and Williams had minor stuff and they're still playing. Holt, Perea and Davis are all elsewhere. It's all good in the end.
Sometimes you're gonna have players that make partying a priority over basketball. Crean didn't do a good enough job with punishments to the point that the president of the university basically said enough is enough.
Since that point, everybody seems to be flying straight. All is good (especially on the court!)
For now. Crean has a history of letting kids get away with stuff, Painter does not. Yogi's problems were no big deal although it was stupid for him to think no one would recognize him.
But the problem with your post was equating Barlow and DJ with the guys IU had to kick off. Pretty bad when your President has to force the coach to kick players off.
Ha ha. If you don't see it I would prefer you speak for the entire fan base.
Crean teams live and die by the 3 and therefore are inconsistent. This year you finished first and 3 games ahead of Purdue and we are in pretty much the same boat seed wise for Sunday. MSU finished 2 games behind you and is already considered a better seed by 2 spots.
Painter has a 64% winning percentage in the B1G versus 55% for Crean. Painter won back to back championships with a conference title on '09 and a B1G tourney championship in '10.I don't think you get it.
I don't like Crean. I would fire him tomorrow, but.......wait for it.......he's better than Painter.
You can argue that, but you'd be wrong. And....you know it.
I'm not satisfied that Crean is the coach at IU. I don't expect him to be a consistent winner, but if Painter were head coach at IU, I'd be looking for a bridge from which to leap.
Painter has been B1G coach of the year 3 times.
Both coaches have been to 2 sweet 16's.
I'm not so sure Crean is really ahead in that comparison. When you take into consideration the unbalanced schedule and where both teams sit right now, after IU lost 3 less B1G games then us. Your argument loses even more.
Lastly if you add in the perception of each coach and the actions of both on and off court? Then Crean is clearly not the superior.
Kids do stupid things. You don't think Barlow did something stupid?
Riiiiiight. Because of him, DJ Byrd was arrested.
I think the more damning thing is that if Blackmon continues to play big minutes IU doesn't learn to defend. Robert Johnson was always the better all around player and team guy. Blackmon was only concerned about his stats. At least from what I observed. Plus Buckley does most of the coaching and development of players.
I'm only worrying about the last 5 years, you know...since IU had to be rebuilt from scratch?
Painter didn't take on anything close to that level rebuild and since then, IU has been the better program and it isn't close.
Crean is recruiting better and winning more. I don't think you'll see IU winning just a couple of games here and there again, like in Crean's first few years or anything like that again in your lifetime.
Painter needs to pick it up.
Just saying....hmmmmm send my loved ones to Painter or Crean for coaching and guidance.....REALLY easy choice...sorry...just is...
But don't get me wrong, I am thrilled Crean is once again the second coming....Hope His next contract is a 20 year one. Sounds like we would all be happy about it...
Okay.
...and your kid will likely be looking up at Crean and IU in the standings.
So....there's that.
Again you are wrong. DJ was arrested because he did something stupid but the charges were dropped when the full facts were known. Barlow and DJ should have called the Police. That bar had zero right to keep any kids credit card once they leave the bar which is all DJ and Barlow wanted. Barlow was banned from going to the bars by Painter but both were 21 at the time. Barlow was dismissed and DJ missed a game.
Oh, he's not the second coming at all.
He's just better than Painter.
.....but maybe with IU winning 2 titles in the last 4 years, Painter might have some motivation to get better results!
We'll see though.
I don't think they get that!
1. Crean recruits better...should have a huge winning record.
2. 2 B1G championships=1 sweet sixteen?
3. The number of transfers and players kicked off the team.
4. Players that dislike him after playing for him that disliked him as a person/coach. (Roth,etc). I should've said alums and trustees.
5. 2 top 4 NBA draft picks, Senior Mr. Basketball, McDonald's All- American point guard, top 40 foward = sweet 16!
6. Tends to over recruit and then kicks kids off the team.
7. His manurisism's towards coaches and players.
8. Tends to let players control his team instead of the coach.
1. Crean recruits better...should have a huge winning record.
2. 2 B1G championships=1 sweet sixteen?
3. The number of transfers and players kicked off the team.
4. Players that dislike him after playing for him that disliked him as a person/coach. (Roth,etc). I should've said alums and trustees.
5. 2 top 4 NBA draft picks, Senior Mr. Basketball, McDonald's All- American point guard, top 40 foward = sweet 16!
6. Tends to over recruit and then kicks kids off the team.
7. His manurisism's towards coaches and players.
8. Tends to let players control his team instead of the coach.
Just finished higher in the B1G 4 out of the last 5 years, with 2 B1G championships. This year's outright championship by 2 games!
I guess if you wanna go back further than 5 years to when IU was in a complete rebuild, that might build your confidence in Painter.
........you may wanna do that.
If you like to use just recent history, then look at their records in the last two years. Both are 24-12. Crean with 3 burger boys and Painter one.
I don't think anyone with any basketball kneiledge at all would pick Crean over Painter. All of the talking heads are talking about the unbalanced schedule. It's not rival fans making this stuff up. In what you seem to think is Creans best year, Purdue is right there with you after coughing up a few games they should have won. The fact that you are celebrating it like a National Championship warms my heart. I hope all IU fans feel this way. Live and die by the 3 for the next ten years. Please!!
...and IU didn't lose some games they should have won? Riiiiiight.
Did Purdue just watch IU win a B1G title for the second time in 4 years? Yeah, you're right there with us...as Miss Congeniality.
Isn't one of those Burger Boys out for the year and has been for nearly the entire season?
Isn't another one of them a freshman your experienced bigs were supposed to completely dominate in the lone match up IU won?
Why is AJ Hammons the new Jess Settles of the B1G? Why couldn't Painter get him to the NBA, with his size and skill? Why is Bryant on most mock drafts as a first rounder? Where are Hammons and Biggie expected to get drafted?
You pick one thing and decide that is the only measurement. I tend to look at the macro which includes things like Creaning players who have invested in the program only to be dismissed, not for being a problem but because Crean has no loyalty. Remember it is you who claims Crean is better, I never said Painter was better. To me, both have yet to prove which one is best.
Creaning players....interesting.
http://www.hammerandrails.com/2014/3/18/5523224/purdue-basketball-and-the-growing-transfer-problem
http://www.hammerandrails.com/2014/3/18/5523224/purdue-basketball-and-the-growing-transfer-problem
His market for in-state kids has fallen off as well. I called this along time ago! Unfortunately when you dump on young kids in the local AAU market you put a bad taste with local kids. He needs to continue to recruit out of the state which eventually will burn him with big supporters.
Yeah, Thomas Bryant, OG Anunoby and Juwan Morgan aren't from Indiana.
....they're also huge reasons IU just won the B1G.
I think you're also gonna like the class of kids IU has coming in next year, too!
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