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This time. As long as John Shoop is employed here I will not buy Purdue merchandise, go to a game or watch one on TV.

I've not held to this before....but I started at halftime today and there were so many other good games on I forgot Purdue was even on.

Just can't support this anymore and I'm voting in all the ways I can. Since we aren't getting rid of Hazell allegedly, we have to do SOMETHING! Buheler?
 
Understand the frustration, but remember that doing things like refusing to buy merchandise will end up hurting not just football but basketball too.
 
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Understand the frustration, but remember that doing things like refusing to buy merchandise will end up hurting not just football but basketball too.
exactly !! Unless they feel the pain across the board they will do NOTHING!
That train wreck was a complete embarrassment - and on homecoming.
What a freaking joke
 
This time. As long as John Shoop is employed here I will not buy Purdue merchandise, go to a game or watch one on TV.

I've not held to this before....but I started at halftime today and there were so many other good games on I forgot Purdue was even on.

Just can't support this anymore and I'm voting in all the ways I can. Since we aren't getting rid of Hazell allegedly, we have to do SOMETHING! Buheler?
I won't buy another ticket until Burke is gone. Shoop is the symptom, not the disease.
 
This time. As long as John Shoop is employed here I will not buy Purdue merchandise, go to a game or watch one on TV.

I've not held to this before....but I started at halftime today and there were so many other good games on I forgot Purdue was even on.

Just can't support this anymore and I'm voting in all the ways I can. Since we aren't getting rid of Hazell allegedly, we have to do SOMETHING! Buheler?

Why on earth Shoop?

Seriously. The entire staff is bad. And that staff has been hired and kept in tact by one man - Hazell. Why single out Shoop? If you think Shoop leaves and we're suddenly a good football program - you're nuts.
 
Why on earth Shoop?

Seriously. The entire staff is bad. And that staff has been hired and kept in tact by one man - Hazell. Why single out Shoop? If you think Shoop leaves and we're suddenly a good football program - you're nuts.

Because he's the worst. Other people suck? Guess the f what? He's the worst. Recruiting is bad? Guess what? He's the worst. Burke and the bot suck ... Guess what? Hes... As bad as they are. But when it comes to coaches .. He's the worst.
 
Great reasoning....

He is though. That's what you're not getting. You think other people are saying "Shoop sucks! (And Hudson rules)"

If they fired both its not like if defend Hudson but I know why people are most adamant about shoop
 
He is though. That's what you're not getting. You think other people are saying "Shoop sucks! (And Hudson rules)"

If they fired both its not like if defend Hudson but I know why people are most adamant about shoop
I will tell you that today the defense absolutely sukked. The first IL possession was a touchdown and giving away one at the end of the first half were game killers. IL was the WORST running team (i.e. LAST) in the Big Ten and we made them look awesome with missed tackles, out of position, etc. Offense was equally awful but the whole team was just terrible. I could see it in the body language along the sideline when the game started.
 
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He is though. That's what you're not getting. You think other people are saying "Shoop sucks! (And Hudson rules)"

If they fired both its not like if defend Hudson but I know why people are most adamant about shoop

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what does is accomplish? If Shoop is gone this person will go buy Purdue merchandise, buy tickets, etc? Well great, Shoop can be fired and we will still have a $hitshow of a football program.

Does that make you suddenly proud to wear a Purdue shirt knowing you can tell people, well Shoop isn't there anymore! It's just silly.

At the end of the day, it's on Hazell. Hazell has kept all of these coaches around his entire tenure at Purdue. Why wouldn't Hazell be your focus?
 
This time. As long as John Shoop is employed here I will not buy Purdue merchandise, go to a game or watch one on TV.

I've not held to this before....but I started at halftime today and there were so many other good games on I forgot Purdue was even on.

Just can't support this anymore and I'm voting in all the ways I can. Since we aren't getting rid of Hazell allegedly, we have to do SOMETHING! Buheler?
 
I spent my day in sunny Florida at a park and a nature preserve with family instead of watching the game.
What a good move!!!
Hazel has killed Purdue football.
What an embarrassment
 
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what does is accomplish? If Shoop is gone this person will go buy Purdue merchandise, buy tickets, etc? Well great, Shoop can be fired and we will still have a $hitshow of a football program.

Does that make you suddenly proud to wear a Purdue shirt knowing you can tell people, well Shoop isn't there anymore! It's just silly.

At the end of the day, it's on Hazell. Hazell has kept all of these coaches around his entire tenure at Purdue. Why wouldn't Hazell be your focus?
This! This disaster is on Hazell and he has yet to man up and take responsibility for the lack of performance. His team was not ready to play today. So now we've been blown out by Wisky, Minny, Illini, VA Tech and lost to softballs in the non conference games. How is this PROGRAM showing any improvement over 2013?
 
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what does is accomplish? If Shoop is gone this person will go buy Purdue merchandise, buy tickets, etc? Well great, Shoop can be fired and we will still have a $hitshow of a football program.

Does that make you suddenly proud to wear a Purdue shirt knowing you can tell people, well Shoop isn't there anymore! It's just silly.

At the end of the day, it's on Hazell. Hazell has kept all of these coaches around his entire tenure at Purdue. Why wouldn't Hazell be your focus?
But if Hazell is coming back, I say we fire shoop and Hudson and take their 2
Salaries combined and go hire the best recruiter we can get with it. Then have hazell coordinate the offense (or Malone or whoever) and freeman coordinate the defense. We couldn't be any worse off, right?
 
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This! This disaster is on Hazell and he has yet to man up and take responsibility for the lack of performance. His team was not ready to play today. So now we've been blown out by Wisky, Minny, Illini, VA Tech and lost to softballs in the non conference games. How is this PROGRAM showing any improvement over 2013?
This team has regressed.That is all.
 
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But if Hazell is coming back, I say we fire shoop and Hudson and take their 2
Salaries combined and go hire the best recruiter we can get with it. Then have hazell coordinate the offense (or Malone or whoever) and freeman coordinate the defense. We couldn't be any worse off, right?
Probably the smartest thing I've read on here in a long time.
 
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Why on earth Shoop?

Seriously. The entire staff is bad. And that staff has been hired and kept in tact by one man - Hazell. Why single out Shoop? If you think Shoop leaves and we're suddenly a good football program - you're nuts.

Here's all you need to know about Shoop...we've had 3 QBs selected to the Elite11 camp, 2 earning Elite11 recognition. It isn't easy to make it to that camp, you don't get there by chance. Shoop is 0-3 with these guys when it comes to any measure of growth or success. We lack talent at a number of positions. QB isn't one of them.
 
This is on the HC. We suck across the board. Offense is awful. OL is weak and receivers can't get open and can' catch when they do. Defense sucks at every level, DL, LBs and secondary. We have decent punter. Hazell built this and now needs to own it.
 
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I will tell you that today the defense absolutely sukked. The first IL possession was a touchdown and giving away one at the end of the first half were game killers. IL was the WORST running team (i.e. LAST) in the Big Ten and we made them look awesome with missed tackles, out of position, etc. Offense was equally awful but the whole team was just terrible. I could see it in the body language along the sideline when the game started.

Look I've slammed Hudson plenty. I think both should go. But shoop has been worse longer and embodies our culture of playing not to lose as if we are somebody. Those criticizing Hudson are fighting a losing battle when it's s direct reply to shoop sucking. fine.. Fire both of them. But I've been a Cubs fan in the mid 90s. I know what it smells like when the person running your team (Burke) says "here's a plate of horse dung, take it or leave it cause it isn't changing."

So we both know he isn't about to fire shit. And before someone starts in with the trustees... Once again.. They both suck.
 
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what does is accomplish? If Shoop is gone this person will go buy Purdue merchandise, buy tickets, etc? Well great, Shoop can be fired and we will still have a $hitshow of a football program.

Does that make you suddenly proud to wear a Purdue shirt knowing you can tell people, well Shoop isn't there anymore! It's just silly.

At the end of the day, it's on Hazell. Hazell has kept all of these coaches around his entire tenure at Purdue. Why wouldn't Hazell be your focus?

But that's your problem ... You assume that people talking about what frustrates them MOST means that's ALL that frustrates them. Hazell and Hudson can get the F out too for all I care but we all know that isn't about to happen.

Yes... I think shoop is the worst. But if he's failing the class with a 55% then the other two morons are lucky to have a D-.

To me, for who we are at Purdue, Dino babers is IT.

Do I expect stuff that's intuitive to happen? No!
 
This time. As long as John Shoop is employed here I will not buy Purdue merchandise, go to a game or watch one on TV.

I've not held to this before....but I started at halftime today and there were so many other good games on I forgot Purdue was even on.

Just can't support this anymore and I'm voting in all the ways I can. Since we aren't getting rid of Hazell allegedly, we have to do SOMETHING! Buheler?

 
But if Hazell is coming back, I say we fire shoop and Hudson and take their 2
Salaries combined and go hire the best recruiter we can get with it. Then have hazell coordinate the offense (or Malone or whoever) and freeman coordinate the defense. We couldn't be any worse off, right?

If coach HAT isn't going to man up and leave, he should effing earn his remaining $6,000,000.00+ pay. Fire the coordinators and have coach HAT DO IT. Maybe a Grad Student or make Player -Coordinators. New Pal is right it couldn't be any worse! I thought Fred Akers was the worst and this is so far beyond the low of Fred Akers a magic 8 ball would be on par or better. Nothing to lose, and I think a Grad Student or Player Coordinator would honestly put much more effort into it. This bunch is just waiting for the shoe to drop seeing how long the ride will last.
 
Basketball will be just fine, Mackey will be full and the BB Program will not suffer one bit your logic is unfounded!
That's what I thought, but there are STILL tickets available for Big Ten games at Mackey this year. There are STILL tickets available to the f'ing M$U game!! How can a team with so much hype around it not sell out those games? That's why Burke and the BOT don't care about all of the "I'm not buying another ticket blah blah blah" from fans. Most of them aren't buying tickets anyway (not to offend those of you who are. I get the frustration). Call me out if you want, but I offered my tickets for today's game to 5 Purdue grads at the office and no one took them - for FREE. They all had some BS story about crap they had to do today. One guy even asked me if I had heard anything about Swanigan getting cleared yet. These are our fans. Sports are not a priority to the BOT because they are not a priority for us alumni.
 
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But if Hazell is coming back, I say we fire shoop and Hudson and take their 2
Salaries combined and go hire the best recruiter we can get with it. Then have hazell coordinate the offense (or Malone or whoever) and freeman coordinate the defense. We couldn't be any worse off, right?

I don't know how serious you are in saying this, but again, firing coordinators right now is pointless. We have a lame duck head coach. Nobody in their right mind will come work for Hazell. You aren't going to get anyone legit to come work for a coach who has won 6 games in 3 years and is literally only being "kept" right now because of an expensive buyout.

It's a pointless job. Nothing is going to turn around next year and we actually lose some of our best players.
 
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But that's your problem ... You assume that people talking about what frustrates them MOST means that's ALL that frustrates them. Hazell and Hudson can get the F out too for all I care but we all know that isn't about to happen.

Yes... I think shoop is the worst. But if he's failing the class with a 55% then the other two morons are lucky to have a D-.

To me, for who we are at Purdue, Dino babers is IT.

Do I expect stuff that's intuitive to happen? No!

But that's not what this person said. This person said they won't buy a t-shirt that says Purdue again until Shoop is gone. Which doesn't sound like they're also pissed at Hazell given that they'll go buy game tickets and t-shirts as soon as Shoop is gone. It's just dumb.
 
I don't know how serious you are in saying this, but again, firing coordinators right now is pointless. We have a lame duck head coach. Nobody in their right mind will come work for Hazell. You aren't going to get anyone legit to come work for a coach who has won 6 games in 3 years and is literally only being "kept" right now because of an expensive buyout.

It's a pointless job. Nothing is going to turn around next year and we actually lose some of our best players.
That's a gut punch of reality. Why take a job when you know you have a 95% chance of being fired in a year? Good point.
 
That's what I thought, but there are STILL tickets available for Big Ten games at Mackey this year. There are STILL tickets available to the f'ing M$U game!! How can a team with so much hype around it not sell out those games? That's why Burke and the BOT don't care about all of the "I'm not buying another ticket blah blah blah" from fans. Most of them aren't buying tickets anyway (not to offend those of you who are. I get the frustration). Call me out if you want, but I offered my tickets for today's game to 5 Purdue grads at the office and no one took them - for FREE. They all had some BS story about crap they had to do today. One guy even asked me if I had heard anything about Swanigan getting cleared yet. These are our fans. Sports are not a priority to the BOT because they are not a priority for us alumni.

There's a lot more to it than just black and white ticket sales. First off, trying to give away tickets for a football game to see this team is one thing. Secondly, I wouldn't say Purdue's fans don't care because someone thought Swanigan hasn't been cleared. That was a rather recent thing and quite frankly, with the internet there's a lot of mis-informed people out there. Hell, this board is full of misinformation half the time and this is supposed to be the die-hards.

For basketball, there's a lot of factors. First off, consumers in general are not as apt to buy tickets way in advance for events knowing the secondary market exists (and often can be cheaper than buying from the source). This is happening everywhere, not just Purdue. Michigan State's tickets aren't flying off the shelves either. Second, this is also happening everywhere, but weekday games are a tougher sell more and more. With so much going on, plus the ease of watching games online/TV, weekday games are just not popular to go to. For example, Purdue's sold more tickets for their Saturday game vs. Nebraska than their weeknight game against Ohio State. Again, this is not a Purdue thing - this is happening across the board.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think Purdue's done a terrible job at marketing and taking advantage of what they have. Purdue's had one of the largest student sections in the country for the last 10+ years. And yes, do a lot of them stay in Lafayette after graduating? No. But do you think most of Michigan State's grads stay in East Lansing? No. When Purdue's had games in Indianapolis and Chicago, they've done a terrible job at turning them out. The Boilermaker Blockbuster used to sell out - now it's impressive if Purdue can get 5,000 fans at a game in Indianapolis. And it's not like our alumni base has shrunk 60% in that time.

This goes back to my major beef with Burke. He's not a marketing guy and that's a-ok. He doesn't have to be. But he has someone overseeing marketing that has an accounting/finance background. They've completely churned out marketing staff and the product has shown no consistency.

When Purdue wants to market/brand itself as a major player, then Purdue will be fine. Purdue's AD will not brag, take chances, be bold, etc. Until Purdue wants to brand itself as better than others, we will continue to have our tail between our leg.
 
Basketball will be just fine, Mackey will be full and the BB Program will not suffer one bit your logic is unfounded!

You lack a fundamental understanding as to how athletic departments funding functions for major universities (insert Purdue joke here). The money all goes into one pot and football drives a big chunk of that. Significant impacts to football revenue impact every other program. Doesn't matter if Mackey is full every game. It is very naive to say that impacts to football revenue don't impact anything else beyond football. Every AD in the country would tell you otherwise.

I agree with you that the basketball program will end up being fine, but that is because most Purdue fans won't chose the nuclear option when it comes to JPC, merchandise, etc, not because the basketball ball funding is somehow isolated or separate from everything else.
 
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I don't know how serious you are in saying this, but again, firing coordinators right now is pointless. We have a lame duck head coach. Nobody in their right mind will come work for Hazell. You aren't going to get anyone legit to come work for a coach who has won 6 games in 3 years and is literally only being "kept" right now because of an expensive buyout.

It's a pointless job. Nothing is going to turn around next year and we actually lose some of our best players.
Yes I have made all the points you just did, but I am dealing from a "hazell is staying for 2016" perspective.

You are saying we couldn't get a recruiter better than shoop or Hudson for $700K?
 
I will tell you that today the defense absolutely sukked. The first IL possession was a touchdown and giving away one at the end of the first half were game killers. IL was the WORST running team (i.e. LAST) in the Big Ten and we made them look awesome with missed tackles, out of position, etc. Offense was equally awful but the whole team was just terrible. I could see it in the body language along the sideline when the game started.
Even the tv announcers were saying that IL was running the exact same play over and over without Purdue making any adjustments. When Glen Mason makes comments about bad coaching, you know it's bad!
 
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Yes I have made all the points you just did, but I am dealing from a "hazell is staying for 2016" perspective.

You are saying we couldn't get a recruiter better than shoop or Hudson for $700K?
Even the best recruiters have to have something to sell. If Hazell still in charge of this train wreck, who is going to want to come here? The recruiter isn't the issue. It's the team leadership that's the problem.
 
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