I'm cooking up some crow right now. It's simmering and I'm about ready to stick a fork in it. I just can't believe the choke job by Iowa over the last few weeks. They are still a very good team, don't dare count them out. You could be sorry.
IU at least Co-B1G Champs
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Yeah, I can believe that. In reality, RMK used to say that first and foremost, the goal of every season was to win the B1G Title. I guess your co workers probably just enjoyed engaging in trash talk between rivals. Anyway, I'm glad that there's a "2016" being added to the banner that lists the B1G titles.
All that said, if IU goes out before the E8, I'll still feel overall disappointed with the way the season turns out. Without trying to diminish the accomplishment of the conference title, what happens in the NCAAT is more important to me personally.
Purdue has been an interesting team this season. I was really impressed with the early season. They could still make some noise but they really need (I know it's been said countless times) improved backcourt play.
What everyone is failing to realize is that about every three to four years Tom Crean is going to have a solid team and here's why.....when you are constantly bringing in recruits that don't live up to expectations and then cutting them lose and starting over you can build a strong roster with the ones you keep....basic math, he gets a 13 man roster out of 25 recruits over a four year period....
Over the last 5 years, Crean has finished higher than Painter in the B1G 4 times and has 2 league titles. Painter has zero.
If Crean is inconsistent and poor, what exactly does that make Painter? What has he accomplished?
Nice selection of time frame. Just the last five conveniently omits Etwaan and REobbie, etc., How about you include the whole time Crean has been coaching?
I beleive over the last 10 years, IU and Purdue are even when it comes to who finished ahead of who.
So, over 5 years ago Painter was something special? You mean during the years IU was rebuilding? Okay. 5 years ago Painter was awesome.
Why has he sucked the last 5?
Unfortunately for Purdue, if JO had one more year of eligibility then they are
maybe Honey_Badger can predict Pudues future.
Explain to me where I said Painter was better than Crean? Usually, when someone responds to a post, they have an opinion on that specific post....they don't use that reply as an opportunity to push their own propaganda on someone else's website.....but, hey what do I know.
Cool, we're on the same page then. When I read MSU message board or Wisky message boards in the past and I see fans make fun of Crean, there is absolutely nothing that can be said. Izzo and Bo are (and were) 100% better than Crean. When I see Purdue fans make fun of Crean, I laugh. For obvious reasons.
Oh no, Painter is better than Crean, I just didn't make any mention of it in that post. Find something better to do with your time....nobody cares.
I'm proud to call him the coach of my alma mater, I believe he represents my University in a professional manner, he instills pride in his players, and he is highly involved in his community....does he have shortcomings as a game coach? Sure, but there's more to it than that....you want to sum everything up with statistics over a time frame that fits your argument....Painter is 3X Big10 coach of the year and has a better "body of work" anyway you cut it. You can have your clown dancing on your sideline, just please stop telling us why we should appreciate him. Good day.
I'm proud to call Painter your coach too.
On that we agree 110%, my man!
Good day to you!!
I was mistaken. Iowa is merely a shadow of the team they were at the beginning of the season. Did not realize they had fallen that far.
If your team wins the B1G outright, the players should get to cut down the nets if they want to do it. You're not cutting the nets down for winning your Senior Night, you do it because you won the league championship. If Purdue went 17-1 in winning the B1G in a landslide and lost the last game of the season at home, would that mean they forfeit their right to cut down the nets for the championship?! These "cut down the nets" jokes at a time IU just secured an outright B1G title by winning their hardest road game of the year... just seems silly to me.
The suggestion has been raised that that strength of schedule waters down Indiana's championship push, but it's actually not at all uncommon. Wisconsin, for example, played the Big Ten's easiest schedule last season, when the Badgers won the conference outright.
In fact, since 2002, of the 11 outright Big Ten champions, only three -- 2007 Ohio State, 2013 Indiana and 2014 Michigan -- have finished better than 10th in the Big Ten in conference SoS*. Only one of those three, IU three years ago, finished in the top half of the conference, and even then, only barely, at sixth.
In fact, since 2002, of the 11 outright Big Ten champions, only three -- 2007 Ohio State, 2013 Indiana and 2014 Michigan -- have finished better than 10th in the Big Ten in conference SoS*. Only one of those three, IU three years ago, finished in the top half of the conference, and even then, only barely, at sixth.
I believe just one (2015).
.....but if you're trying (hilariously, I might add) to compare Bo Ryan to Matt Painter, then have at it.
Bo Ryan has 4 total B1G championships. How many does Painter have?
Bo Ryan has 3 B1G tournament championships. How many does Painter have?
Bo Ryan took Wisconsin to 2 Final Fours and finished as National runner up last season. How many Final Fours has Painter been to?
My post had nothing to do with Painter. It was about you saying that Bo was "100%" better than Crean. Bo was a great coach but Crean has a lot of seasons yet to go and he's already proven he can put together contending teams. He just might get to the final four again this year which would equal Bo's number of trips.
And yet, Crean is on the verge of equaling his number of FFs and has produced more conference titles in the last five years. Crean also, as I said, has a lot of coaching yet to do. Had Bo Ryan actually won it all (notice we aren't talking about Izzo), I might be on board with the 'Bo the wonder coach' thing. Ultimately he ended up being Gene Keady, a really good coach but...
Crean has ridden D Wade's coattails to ONE FF. A much better team with Zeller and Oladipo couldn't get him there again. If you think he's "on the verge" of getting there again with this bunch you truly are as delusional and stupid as you have always seemed while posting so arrogantly on the Stye which is where you belong and should stay.
Painter does more with less. Crean gets lucky with finding players like Olidapo, Sheehe, OG, Morgan, Watford, and people like that. Sometimes a blind pig finds an acorn.
Davis "may" not be the same player as he was before the injury. IT is hard to quantify...actually impossible to quantify it as a result of the injury. More defense has been removed from the game this year as the arc extended out another foot. More protection of the perimeter players due to more emphasis on calling fouls while f'ing around dribbling and increasing the opportunity for more perimeter baskets due to 16.6% reduction the shot clock or 20% reduction in the clock if one assumes that it takes about 10 seconds on the average to start to get the ball in position to start an offense. No 5 second call to remove more perimeter defense. None of those were in play when most of IU's team was recruited, but all have helped IU this year. Personally, I wonder how many successful coaches would actually think Crean is better than Painter...not forum people, but people that have been in the arena? The IU team with Zeller was very good, this team maybe not so much...
Crean is the one with complete lack of discipline and mentor-ship. His players smoked weed with no ramifications, drove drunk, hit players and caused brain injuries while drinking, used fake IDs in bars, and generally did whatever they wanted to. Sampson just abused his cell phone with recruits.
If Painter was the coach of IU he would have a few national titles already. Just about anyone can recruit at IU because it's IU. Just look at Crean. He is a shitty coach but yet brings in awesome talent no matter what.
Recruiting at IU was nearly impossible after Sampson left. So I would hesitate a bit and qualify your statement. But we've NEVER had any controversy (Purdue), therefore our recruiting has been stable. We've never so much as had a blemish on our record unlike Kentucky and Indiana and North Carolina and many other (Tennessee), etc.
