How about we just give Painter Crean's recruiting budget, keep him at Purdue, then see what he could do?
IU at least Co-B1G Champs
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if crean didn't fix the defense, he would have been
i would hope Painter has the same budget to work with. Purdue just doesn't use it all.How about we just give Painter Crean's recruiting budget, keep him at Purdue, then see what he could do?
Decked in my gear, IU fans snarling at me already. Can't believe how crowded it is out here outside assembly hall. looks like they are doing some work on this place. how about purdue does some irreparable damage to this place tonight, lmao, these fans are such a joke and their ribbing me isn't going to help them tonight when Hammons abuses them like he always does (look it up). anyway, i can't wait to shove this win down their throat on my way out of here. Traffic was a b_t_h getting in here. Ugh,
My picks for tomorrow are spot on. Let's not be looking in the rear-view mirror. Glass-half full. C'mon
Iowa over "That team down in Bloomington" in a blow-out
Purdue over Nebraska @PBA 69-60
I think Painter could accomplish a bit more at IU. Probably about what Crean has accomplished, which is superior to Painter in less time. My point again is they are about equal with Crean having accomplished more in 8 years than Painter in 11, and the "advantage" IU has making up the difference.
Interesting iu is up 2 games in loss column in first but ranked roughly the same as Purdue, Maryland, and Iowa. MSU with 5 losses in BIG and #2 in the nation.
MSU has been winning road and home games against tough competition. , Indiana hasn't won on the road vs. a ranked team and they won't because they are a terrible road team. they were 1-4 on the road prior to their last road game against woeful Illinois. Maryland is a beast and is right-ranked. IU is WR'ed.
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And here you are, with a new screen name obsessing about Purdue on the Purdue board. lol.
IU has 3 bad losses that drop it below the other four teams. It's just that simple.
Purdue has better wins then IU with RPI #15 MSU and #10 Maryland, Purdue at #18 is IU's best overall win. Purdue also has better road wins in Pitt and Wisconsin compared to IU's best road win at Michigan. We also have a toss up neutral site win with Florida versus their Notre Dame.
IU has a chance to pass us if they win out. But as it stands, if they don't and we do, they may share the title, but we likely get the better seed.
correct, IU has very few good wins (ranked teams) and awful road losses (you just don't lose to Penn State and struggle against Rutgers, I mean RUTGERS actually gave them a game, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?), --- purdue has great road wins as i mentioned in the post before, Wisky probably has the best measurables wins of all of em, except iowa early.
Doesn't cream have a losing record in the big ten? He had 2 lottery picks and flamed out in the tournament. He won the title this year because of an extremely weak schedule. Ya, not impressed. Hope iu gives him an extension.
This thread just needs to die. Come on Purdue peeps, stop feeding the trailer park troll's obsession with us.
Purdue lost to Illinois.
Very possibly the worst Illinois team I have ever seen.
PSU has a few very good wins against good teams this year.
For all the talk of the unbalanced schedule this year, I wouldn't read too much into Indiana's loss at PSU.
Penn State has done that to good B1G teams over the years. Hell, we needed a minor miracle to get out of their place with a W last year.
Our loss at Illinois was far less excusable --- and far more damaging to our B1G title hopes.
Penn State has done that to good B1G teams over the years. Hell, we needed a minor miracle to get out of their place with a W last year.
Our loss at Illinois was far less excusable --- and far more damaging to our B1G title hopes.
Illinois, although not good, is hard to beat at their place normally, they are really banged up but Nunn had a good game as did their leading scoring phenom.
Tend to agree here.....Purdue's losses to Iowa (2), Maryland, and Indiana certainly could be viewed as frustrating and disappointing, but the losses @ Illinois and @ Michigan were the ones that really kept the Boilers from getting back into contention for the conference race.
Really don't know what to make of this team as far as results going forward......could be good....could be really good....or could be disappointing.....the opportunities will be there......can the Boilers "knock down" or open the door? Even with all of the ups and downs.....I think there are more positives than negatives going forward....but the Boilers are going to need some leaders to step up the rest of this year and next year IMO.
Should be interesting either way....
You will see a burgeoning team effort @PBA tonight. Tonight is the start of great things to come.
They're horrible and basically look like they've received zero coaching or preparation.
If Groce survives there it will be a miracle.
I wouldn't try to sugar coat our loss to Illinois. They played their best game of the season and we played very poorly. Really bad loss for us. Happens from time to time. Say what you will about Penn State but that was a bad loss for IU too. People can debate how much worse it is to lose at Illinois than at Penn State but the bottom line is that both games are bad losses for the respective teams.
Oh, IU losing to PSU is a bad loss, but PSU is far better coached than Illinois. PSU beating Iowa a few days later proved that to me.
Illinois might have more talent than PSU, but Groce is horrible. I have never seen a more clueless looking team on the court than this year's Illini team.
Since thread is about IU let's talk about the elephant in room. How will IU play without Robert Johnson? He was a steadyng influence, and an important cog in the scoring. He was also a pretty good defender. Will IU be affected by his loss? Could the rankings and seeding be taking this aspect into consideration?
New information: RoJo might just have a high ankle sprain, and might be playing in the NCAAs. I had heard ACL, so I assumed he would be out the rest of the season. I sincerely hope he can return to the team this year, if just for his sake.
New information: RoJo might just have a high ankle sprain, and might be playing in the NCAAs. I had heard ACL, so I assumed he would be out the rest of the season. I sincerely hope he can return to the team this year, if just for his sake.
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Good point Math.....Blackmon was easy to replace because of addition by subtraction. By getting James out of the line up, IU became quicker and smarter on the defensive end. Personally, I don't think it's any thing genius by Two Tone Tommy as much as James was slow and a total liability. I've always respected the way Johnson plays...in control, for the team, very good shot selection, and he plays defense.Since thread is about IU let's talk about the elephant in room. How will IU play without Robert Johnson? He was a steadyng influence, and an important cog in the scoring. He was also a pretty good defender. Will IU be affected by his loss? Could the rankings and seeding be taking this aspect into consideration?
Crean was able to offset Blackmon with Annuoby and Hartman picking up some of the scoring slack with James on the bench. Right now, I think if they don't have Johnson, it's going to hurt them big time.
Groce won't survive but he will get a good coaching job elsewhere because he knows basketball, he has just had hard luck staying healthy and a few lost recruits to crazy circumstances.
Inaccurate. Crean spends more money recruiting than any other BIG school. That means he can attend games of kids in New Jersey one week and kids in Calif. the next. There are at least a dozen states where he has not worn out his welcome among the high school coaches, I am sure.
They will be hurting vs. iowa. i take all things into consideration (injuries, "crean-factor", how they play on the road), and this all translates into a HUGE blowout loss for indiana. Not just a solid blow-out (like 19 or 20), but a blood-letting to the tune of around 30. McCaffery will rub it into their faces pretty good (as far as not letting up at the end when he could put reserves in). Just have a really good feeling about this.Since thread is about IU let's talk about the elephant in room. How will IU play without Robert Johnson? He was a steadyng influence, and an important cog in the scoring. He was also a pretty good defender. Will IU be affected by his loss? Could the rankings and seeding be taking this aspect into consideration?
New information: RoJo might just have a high ankle sprain, and might be playing in the NCAAs. I had heard ACL, so I assumed he would be out the rest of the season. I sincerely hope he can return to the team this year, if just for his sake.
But I'm just saying that Matt could spend that if he wanted to. The AD wouldn't care. It's a big-time profit sport for Purdue.Inaccurate. Crean spends more money recruiting than any other BIG school. That means he can attend games of kids in New Jersey one week and kids in Calif. the next. There are at least a dozen states where he has not worn out his welcome among the high school coaches, I am sure.
Inaccurate. Matt is constrained by budget. In fact, for a wile, his budget was so bad that he had to limit recruiting to just Indiana and Illinois. Even then, he could hardly find money to pay for rental cars for his assistants on the recruiting visits. That penny pinching paid off in last place finish in the BIG. He does not have the recruiting budget Crean does. Painter is doing better recruiting, but he still is geographically restrained for the most part.
I find it hard to believe that rental cars were hard to come by for assistants. Makes no sense for a school like purdue . Painter has a huge salary, so perhaps that takes up what would otherwise be room to breath, but being a state school all the records are available if someone asks for them. I'll have to look up that information, I'm sure I can find it.Inaccurate. Matt is constrained by budget. In fact, for a wile, his budget was so bad that he had to limit recruiting to just Indiana and Illinois. Even then, he could hardly find money to pay for rental cars for his assistants on the recruiting visits. That penny pinching paid off in last place finish in the BIG. He does not have the recruiting budget Crean does. Painter is doing better recruiting, but he still is geographically restrained for the most part.
How to you know this to be true? Conceptually, it makes sense that he's "restrained" if you assume IU/Crean spending is the baseline for not being restrained. But then again, IU/Crean spent like 50% more on recruiting than the next highest team (Illinois). So I'm not sure that's really the best lens through which to look at this. I think the more import question is - does he have enough recruiting budget to see the players he and his staff want to see when they want to see them? .. does he get the things paid for that he wants/needs that are within reason? If he can answer "yes" to those, then I'd argue that he's not really restrained. If he gets to September and Burke tells him the "sorry bub, you're budget is busted so no more scouting for you", then I'd agree with you. I just haven't seen any evidence to support that other than the conventional wisdom held by many on this board.Inaccurate. Matt is constrained by budget. In fact, for a wile, his budget was so bad that he had to limit recruiting to just Indiana and Illinois. Even then, he could hardly find money to pay for rental cars for his assistants on the recruiting visits. That penny pinching paid off in last place finish in the BIG. He does not have the recruiting budget Crean does. Painter is doing better recruiting, but he still is geographically restrained for the most part.
EDIT: Sorry... my post wasn't the best choice for this thread as bumping it only perpetuates more of the back-and-forth troll posts (re: Illinois, Penn State, IU better, Purdue better, etc.)
Hmm guess you can take off the co-champs and call them the 2016 Regular Season Champions.
Its actually a good thing for us that they look to win at Iowa
Its actually a good thing for us that they look to win at Iowa
every time purdue won the big ten, the iu jokers i work with would say. well, big ten titles dont mean anything. so dont blow smoke up our butts saying that is not how iu fans think. every iu fan says the ncaa is the only title to brag about.
