Horrific recruiting in the true senior and Junior class

[BCfanatic2020]

Two older players departed. Demarcus Mitchell and Geovante Howard. That leaves 34 recruits. How many are making an impact now.

2020 2021 recruiting classes
Kydran Jenkins 73.4 597
Marcus Mbow 70.3 446
Gus Hartwig 69.0 488
Abdur Rahmann Yaseen 66.8 380
Devin Mockobee 66.4 354
Antonio Stevens 64.9 113
Deion Burks 63.1 671
Sanoussi Kane 60.0 679
Josh Kaltenberger 58.9 249
Clyde Washington 58.2 206
Khordae Sydnor 54.0 88
Mahamane Moussa 53.0 538
Yanni Karlaftis 51.9 430
Drew Biber 42.7 91

You’ve had 6 players play above average football on high snaps. You’ve had 15 players play at all. One more player, Maliq carr, transferred and was given a p5 offer. That’s 17 players out of 36.

What about the others? Did the other 19 players even land at g5? And if so, are they any good?

Jaquez Cross Arkansas state - 71.1 per pff on 328 snaps. Cross has rushed for 522 yards on a 5.4 average for 3 TDs.

Mike alaimo Kent state - 62.0 on 401 snaps. Alaimo has passed for 932 yards, 2 TD and 4 INT

Anthony Romphf western Michigan - Romphf has a 56.6 pff grade on 196 snaps. He has 6 tackles and no interceptions.

Tristan cox Ohio - 51.9 on 101 snaps. Cox has 7 tackles and 0.5 sacks.

Tirek Murphy Rhode Island - 51.2 on 39 snaps. Murphy rushed for 21 yards on 9 carries for Rhode Island in 2022 before never playing again.

Jahvon Grigsby UNLV - 66.8 on 7 snaps this year for the rebels

Rickey smith middle Tennessee - 59.4 on 31 snaps. He has 3 tackles

Collin Sullivan - never played after Purdue

Greg Hudgins - accumulated 1 tackle at Purdue. He never played after leaving

Nalin Fox - never played after leaving Purdue

Marcellus Moore - transferred to Texas to focus on track and field. Never played football again

Jared Bycznski - never played again after leaving Purdue

Ben Kreul - never played again after leaving Purdue program

Zach Richards - never played again

Ryan Brandt - never played again

Jaden alstott-vandevanter - never played again

Preston terrell - never played again

Bryce Austin - never played again

Brandon Calloway - hasn’t played again

There you have it. Brohm had about a 47% hit rate on high school recruits even playing a game in p5 this year. Most of that 53% never even played g5 and the ones who have are doing next to nothing.

 

[Wolegib]

This is what happens when you overload one position with high star ranked players. It improves your overall recruiting class ranking but also provides a false impression on how good your actual recruiting class is. Walters class this year also has a very high overall ranking. However it is overloaded with a lot of highly ranked DBs. I believe he now has 6. In the future he will be faced with several issues. Not all 6 of his DBs will start which may cause several to leave. The ratings of his DBs has inflated his overall recruiting class rating. And by recruiting so many DBs, he is ignoring other areas which will contribute to a recurring issue of lack of depth at other Kerry areas!

 

[BCfanatic2020]

This is what happens when you overload one position with high star ranked players. It improves your overall recruiting class ranking but also provides a false impression on how good your actual recruiting class is. Walters class this year also has a very high overall ranking. However it is overloaded with a lot of highly ranked DBs. I believe he now has 6. In the future he will be faced with several issues. Not all 6 of his DBs will start which may cause several to leave. The ratings of his DBs has inflated his overall recruiting class rating. And by recruiting so many DBs, he is ignoring other areas which will contribute to a recurring issue of lack of depth at other Kerry areas!

Those two classes weren’t overloaded. They just werent very good.

 

[Tommaker]

Two older players departed. Demarcus Mitchell and Geovante Howard. That leaves 34 recruits. How many are making an impact now.

2020 2021 recruiting classes
Kydran Jenkins 73.4 597
Marcus Mbow 70.3 446
Gus Hartwig 69.0 488
Abdur Rahmann Yaseen 66.8 380
Devin Mockobee 66.4 354
Antonio Stevens 64.9 113
Deion Burks 63.1 671
Sanoussi Kane 60.0 679
Josh Kaltenberger 58.9 249
Clyde Washington 58.2 206
Khordae Sydnor 54.0 88
Mahamane Moussa 53.0 538
Yanni Karlaftis 51.9 430
Drew Biber 42.7 91

You’ve had 6 players play above average football on high snaps. You’ve had 15 players play at all. One more player, Maliq carr, transferred and was given a p5 offer. That’s 17 players out of 36.

What about the others? Did the other 19 players even land at g5? And if so, are they any good?

Jaquez Cross Arkansas state - 71.1 per pff on 328 snaps. Cross has rushed for 522 yards on a 5.4 average for 3 TDs.

Mike alaimo Kent state - 62.0 on 401 snaps. Alaimo has passed for 932 yards, 2 TD and 4 INT

Anthony Romphf western Michigan - Romphf has a 56.6 pff grade on 196 snaps. He has 6 tackles and no interceptions.

Tristan cox Ohio - 51.9 on 101 snaps. Cox has 7 tackles and 0.5 sacks.

Tirek Murphy Rhode Island - 51.2 on 39 snaps. Murphy rushed for 21 yards on 9 carries for Rhode Island in 2022 before never playing again.

Jahvon Grigsby UNLV - 66.8 on 7 snaps this year for the rebels

Rickey smith middle Tennessee - 59.4 on 31 snaps. He has 3 tackles

Collin Sullivan - never played after Purdue

Greg Hudgins - accumulated 1 tackle at Purdue. He never played after leaving

Nalin Fox - never played after leaving Purdue

Marcellus Moore - transferred to Texas to focus on track and field. Never played football again

Jared Bycznski - never played again after leaving Purdue

Ben Kreul - never played again after leaving Purdue program

Zach Richards - never played again

Ryan Brandt - never played again

Jaden alstott-vandevanter - never played again

Preston terrell - never played again

Bryce Austin - never played again

Brandon Calloway - hasn’t played again

There you have it. Brohm had about a 47% hit rate on high school recruits even playing a game in p5 this year. Most of that 53% never even played g5 and the ones who have are doing next to nothing.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, he struck platinum 3 times in a row with NFL caliber receivers, and he got the hometown kid on the D side that now has a Super Bowl ring. Never any great classes, just some very good players and 2 QB's that worked their butts off to become very, very good (good enough for the NFL). I don't believe in luck, but the phrase "Better to be lucky than good" rings kinda true. And to his credit as a coach, he and his coordinators could dial up some pretty good O.

 

[Wolegib]

Those two classes weren’t overloaded. They just werent very good.

Their overall rankings looked pretty good! This is what happens when you keep recruiting 4/5 star QBs that elevate your class rankings, but you never play them.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Those two classes weren’t overloaded. They just werent very good.

plus the team lacks speed, when the announcers said Thienamen was the 2nd fastest on the team, that's a strong indictment on the wr and rb corps

 

[BCfanatic2020]

This is what happens when you overload one position with high star ranked players. It improves your overall recruiting class ranking but also provides a false impression on how good your actual recruiting class is. Walters class this year also has a very high overall ranking. However it is overloaded with a lot of highly ranked DBs. I believe he now has 6. In the future he will be faced with several issues. Not all 6 of his DBs will start which may cause several to leave. The ratings of his DBs has inflated his overall recruiting class rating. And by recruiting so many DBs, he is ignoring other areas which will contribute to a recurring issue of lack of depth at other Kerry areas!

Also, I’m not sure I’m getting what you’re getting out of this class. It has 4 OL and Mitchell-Irving, Kennedy and Payne should be playing with their hands in the dirt.

You’re gonna see a lot of players given their walking papers. So the idea that we don’t have our MLB yet doesn’t bother me. Beasley and Bradford have serious ability. Koy Beasley has more in common with Thienemann than cam Allen. This team will look different next year

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Their overall rankings looked pretty good! This is what happens when you keep recruiting 4/5 star QBs that elevate your class rankings, but you never play them.

The classes may have been rated high by rivals. They weren’t very good

 

[BCfanatic2020]

plus the team lacks speed, when the announcers said Thienamen was the 2nd fastest on the team, that's a strong indictment on the wr and rb corps

Brohm recruited and developed TEs very well. Hagen and shephard had their units down. When shephard left the WR room went in the tank. It’s a bunch of guys. Even Burks needs to be a freak at his size to play WR outside and he ain’t it. It’s 3 complimentary guys with no one guy who threatens the defense.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I've said it before, I'll say it again, he struck platinum 3 times in a row with NFL caliber receivers, and he got the hometown kid on the D side that now has a Super Bowl ring. Never any great classes, just some very good players and 2 QB's that worked their butts off to become very, very good (good enough for the NFL). I don't believe in luck, but the phrase "Better to be lucky than good" rings kinda true. And to his credit as a coach, he and his coordinators could dial up some pretty good O.

They could. They just didn’t develop a roster as well as they won games in the last 1.75 seasons they were here.

 

[RDUBoiler]

Two older players departed. Demarcus Mitchell and Geovante Howard. That leaves 34 recruits. How many are making an impact now.

2020 2021 recruiting classes
Kydran Jenkins 73.4 597
Marcus Mbow 70.3 446
Gus Hartwig 69.0 488
Abdur Rahmann Yaseen 66.8 380
Devin Mockobee 66.4 354
Antonio Stevens 64.9 113
Deion Burks 63.1 671
Sanoussi Kane 60.0 679
Josh Kaltenberger 58.9 249
Clyde Washington 58.2 206
Khordae Sydnor 54.0 88
Mahamane Moussa 53.0 538
Yanni Karlaftis 51.9 430
Drew Biber 42.7 91

You’ve had 6 players play above average football on high snaps. You’ve had 15 players play at all. One more player, Maliq carr, transferred and was given a p5 offer. That’s 17 players out of 36.

What about the others? Did the other 19 players even land at g5? And if so, are they any good?

Jaquez Cross Arkansas state - 71.1 per pff on 328 snaps. Cross has rushed for 522 yards on a 5.4 average for 3 TDs.

Mike alaimo Kent state - 62.0 on 401 snaps. Alaimo has passed for 932 yards, 2 TD and 4 INT

Anthony Romphf western Michigan - Romphf has a 56.6 pff grade on 196 snaps. He has 6 tackles and no interceptions.

Tristan cox Ohio - 51.9 on 101 snaps. Cox has 7 tackles and 0.5 sacks.

Tirek Murphy Rhode Island - 51.2 on 39 snaps. Murphy rushed for 21 yards on 9 carries for Rhode Island in 2022 before never playing again.

Jahvon Grigsby UNLV - 66.8 on 7 snaps this year for the rebels

Rickey smith middle Tennessee - 59.4 on 31 snaps. He has 3 tackles

Collin Sullivan - never played after Purdue

Greg Hudgins - accumulated 1 tackle at Purdue. He never played after leaving

Nalin Fox - never played after leaving Purdue

Marcellus Moore - transferred to Texas to focus on track and field. Never played football again

Jared Bycznski - never played again after leaving Purdue

Ben Kreul - never played again after leaving Purdue program

Zach Richards - never played again

Ryan Brandt - never played again

Jaden alstott-vandevanter - never played again

Preston terrell - never played again

Bryce Austin - never played again

Brandon Calloway - hasn’t played again

There you have it. Brohm had about a 47% hit rate on high school recruits even playing a game in p5 this year. Most of that 53% never even played g5 and the ones who have are doing next to nothing.

How does this compare to other Big Ten schools? I imagine quite a few guys in every class at every school "miss." You can only have 44 guys (at most) on your two-deeps. Maybe you have a few guys redshirting. That leaves about twenty players who get lost in the shuffle. This looks like an unusually bad class, but players sometiumes miss.

 

[Wolegib]

Also, I’m not sure I’m getting what you’re getting out of this class. It has 4 OL and Mitchell-Irving, Kennedy and Payne should be playing with their hands in the dirt.

You’re gonna see a lot of players given their walking papers. So the idea that we don’t have our MLB yet doesn’t bother me. Beasley and Bradford have serious ability. Koy Beasley has more in common with Thienemann than cam Allen. This team will look different next year

What I’m getting at is the players recruited were not very good to begin with other than the QBs and WRs. The best teams like ND, USC, Iowa and UW didn’t recruit 4/5 star QBs and RBs. But their 3 star skilled players performed well because they recruited 4/5 star offensive linemen as their recruiting priority. Those linemen opened up holes for their running game and also provided time for their QBs to be able to read the defense and make a play. Purdue has never had an awesome front line with much depth. If we did, our skill players would look a lot better. That is why I say make your offensive linemen your #1 priority. I also say there are plenty of elite offensive linemen that are playing their high school ball in Indiana! So Purdue needs to start signing the home grown talent rather than watching them leave for Iowa, IU, nd and other schools. All we really need to do is build an Indiana pipeline! When recruiting that Wr, we need to recruit his offensive lineman too

 

[BCfanatic2020]

How does this compare to other Big Ten schools? I imagine quite a few guys in every class at every school "miss." You can only have 44 guys (at most) on your two-deeps. Maybe you have a few guys redshirting. That leaves about twenty players who get lost in the shuffle. This looks like an unusually bad class, but players sometiumes miss.

Wanna compare it to another school? If so, which one? How about we start with the 2019 class vs those TWO classes

 

[New Pal Boiler]

There you have it. Brohm had about a 47% hit rate on high school recruits even playing a game in p5 this year.

Now do Hazell.

 

[pboiler18]

Can you go back to On3? If you never. One back I’ll pay your subscription

 

[PaBoiler78]

Wanna compare it to another school? If so, which one? How about we start with the 2019 class vs those TWO classes

last year I posted on here that our best class which was 2019, that there were half of the recruits left on the team.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Now do Hazell.

Hazell actually left brohm more players performing at green level on pff the previous season than brohm left Walters. 5-4. He sucked on the field but Jawan Bentley, Gelen Robinson and Markus Bailey performed higher than any defender brohm had returning this year.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Can you go back to On3? If you never. One back I’ll pay your subscription

Your arguments are straight garbage

 

[pboiler18]

Your arguments are straight garbage

That the old coach can’t be held liable for scheme, play calling and recruiting mistakes this staff has made all year?

LOL

 

[BCfanatic2020]

That the old coach can’t be held liable for scheme, play calling and recruiting mistakes this staff has made all year?

LOL

Who is the second best corner brohm recruited and developed in 6 years here after Cory trice? Best offensive tackle?
best linebacker? Best safety?

By the way if Walters gets a guard, tackle (and a center if Hartwig leaves) and MLB that have done something at the p5 level.. even like Marquis Wilson level (Wilson was mid 60s per pff at best at penn state, 74 here) and there aren’t crippling injuries again, to me.. next season is already on him.

It’s not like you brohm fans who wanted to cry about Darrell hazell in 2022. In 2024 he better win the 6 games we will likely be favored or even in.

Indiana state, Indiana, Illinois, northwestern, Michigan state and either Nebraska, Oregon state or Wisconsin.

If the support is good enough to make offers to players who can help (not stars just good solid p5 players) at those positions, it should be his show 1000%

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Hazell actually left brohm more players performing at green level on pff the previous season than brohm left Walters. 5-4. He sucked on the field but Jawan Bentley, Gelen Robinson and Markus Bailey performed higher than any defender brohm had returning this year.

So that 1 PFF green level player explains 7 wins versus 3 ? Okaaaaaaaaaaay….

 

[Wolegib]

So that 1 PFF green level player explains 7 wins versus 3 ? Okaaaaaaaaaaay….

Brohm had some experienced players given to him by Hazell. But he also brought some experienced players over from WKU. He brought with him a very good linebacker! . Brohm also secured some quick fixes via the jc route. Basically, Brohm took a look at the team, identified its weaknesses and plugged in the holes and that led to his success in his first year. Looking back that was something Hazell never did. Hope left Hazell some talented players. And some holes. Hazell never made the effort to fill the holes his first year. And other teams took advantage of it. It was like playing the game of red rover. We had a weaker player on our offensive line and one on defense. And teams took advantage of our weakest link.

Brohm left Walters some talent and some holes. But it is Walters responsibility to identify the holes and fill them. And it is walters responsibility to develop the talent he was provided!

At some point in time, you must give the current coach both credit and blame for the product on the field. And with nil and the transfer portal, Coaches should only require 2 years to build a team. Great players no longer stay in school for 4 years. And they also don’t play in bowl games unless they believe it will improve their draft stock. Player Loyalty is also a thing of the past!

 

[pboiler18]

Who is the second best corner brohm recruited and developed in 6 years here after Cory trice? Best offensive tackle?
best linebacker? Best safety?

By the way if Walters gets a guard, tackle (and a center if Hartwig leaves) and MLB that have done something at the p5 level.. even like Marquis Wilson level (Wilson was mid 60s per pff at best at penn state, 74 here) and there aren’t crippling injuries again, to me.. next season is already on him.

It’s not like you brohm fans who wanted to cry about Darrell hazell in 2022. In 2024 he better win the 6 games we will likely be favored or even in.

Indiana state, Indiana, Illinois, northwestern, Michigan state and either Nebraska, Oregon state or Wisconsin.

If the support is good enough to make offers to players who can help (not stars just good solid p5 players) at those positions, it should be his show 1000%

Nonsense and drivel to try and defend a coach who can’t.

What do graduated players have to do with Walters’ ineffectiveness?

Brohm established our NfL pipeline again. There are 10 or so guys on this roster that I believe have a shot at an NFL future. 2 are Walters recruits and one of those committed to Brohm.

Continue to own yourself here though. You still can’t answer how the old coach is causing players to not execute their assignments and why why the old coach is responsible at all for the plays called and the schemes run.

It’s already brutally obvious this coach is going to ride this defense out of town and into a G5 coordinator position when he’s done. Outside a class that STILL likely won’t beat Brohms best, what do you see in this coach that makes you think he’s worth the NIL investment or to be the coach longer than 3 years with a losing record?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

So that 1 PFF green level player explains 7 wins versus 3 ? Okaaaaaaaaaaay….

That and playing a top 5 schedule in the nation. Brohm lost to 4-8 Rutgers and 4-8 Nebraska in 2017. Look it up.

 

[pboiler18]

That and playing a top 5 schedule in the nation. Brohm lost to 4-8 Rutgers and 4-8 Nebraska in 2017. Look it up.

Has nothing to do with this underachieving coach!

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Has nothing to do with this underachieving coach!

Sure it does. He plays two crap teams like that and he’s 5-6 headed into the bucket game. The only defenders who ever played as good as Thienemann, Jenkins and Scourton for brohm were two hazell guys and a guy who showed up on campus like that. And not like Thienemann. Alabama and Clemson wanted karlaftis to come play for them right away

 

[pboiler18]

Sure it does. He plays two crap teams like that and he’s 5-6 headed into the bucket game. The only defenders who ever played as good as Thienemann, Jenkins and Scourton for brohm were two hazell guys and a guy who showed up on campus like that. And not like Thienemann. Alabama and Clemson wanted karlaftis to come play for them right away

4 bowls. And 8 and 9 win season.

Again…nothing to do with this current coaches failure. Brohm got more out of less…something a Purdue coach just has to do!

Our defense requires perfection from talented players. Even if we recruit in the top 20-30, our scheme will hold us back and we’ll still play 3-4 teams every year with better talent (or more). It’s up to the coach to tip the scales in our favor. At this point, all this coach has done is tip them the other way, in favor of our opponents!

 

[BCfanatic2020]

4 bowls. And 8 and 9 win season.

Again…nothing to do with this current coaches failure. Brohm got more out of less…something a Purdue coach just has to do!

Our defense requires perfection from talented players. Even if we recruit in the top 20-30, our scheme will hold us back and we’ll still play 3-4 teams every year with better talent (or more). It’s up to the coach to tip the scales in our favor. At this point, all this coach has done is tip them the other way, in favor of our opponents!

Everything to do with it. By what should be year 7, you should have 7 offensive linemen ready to play even if one or two guys leave. What? You think Iowa doesn’t? You think Iowa doesn’t have backup safeties and linebackers who would laugh at Allen and brothers in drills?

You think pj frickin fleck loses one or two offensive linemen to the portal and says “we need two guys from g5 to start cause we don’t have anyone?” Are you serious?

Perfection from talented players? Most Purdue fans couldn’t name the 8th best player on Illinois last year if you asked them. How about not failing to follow lequint Allen on a wheel route? What? You think brothers wasn’t supposed to be there with Scourton on the option with Shrader and Allen?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

And all this to say… give him next year. If he’s 4-8 I’ll agree that any criticism is fair and his seat will open scorching hot for 2025.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

That and playing a top 5 schedule in the nation. Brohm lost to 4-8 Rutgers and 4-8 Nebraska in 2017. Look it up.

Everything to do with it. By what should be year 7, you should have 7 offensive linemen ready to play even if one or two guys leave. What? You think Iowa doesn’t? You think Iowa doesn’t have backup safeties and linebackers who would laugh at Allen and brothers in drills?

You think pj frickin fleck loses one or two offensive linemen to the portal and says “we need two guys from g5 to start cause we don’t have anyone?” Are you serious?

Perfection from talented players? Most Purdue fans couldn’t name the 8th best player on Illinois last year if you asked them. How about not failing to follow lequint Allen on a wheel route? What? You think brothers wasn’t supposed to be there with Scourton on the option with Shrader and Allen?

Brohm didn’t whine about the pathetic 1-8 B1G roster he inherited. Just got to work filling holes with transfers, and then employed schemes to maximize the roster he did have, not the roster he wished he had.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

And all this to say… give him next year. If he’s 4-8 I’ll agree that any criticism is fair and his seat will open scorching hot for 2025.

We’ll be lucky to go 4-8. Have you looked at the schedule?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Brohm didn’t whine about the pathetic 1-8 B1G roster he inherited. Just got to work filling holes with transfers, and then employed schemes to maximize the roster he did have, not the roster he wished he had.

And played a cake schedule compare to this one. Again. Give the guy next year.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

And played a cake schedule compare to this one. Again. Give the guy next year.

We have no choice.

And not like we didn’t have a BUNCH of winnable games on this year’s schedule.

He’s got the team playing hard still, so there’s that.

 

[pboiler18]

Everything to do with it. By what should be year 7, you should have 7 offensive linemen ready to play even if one or two guys leave. What? You think Iowa doesn’t? You think Iowa doesn’t have backup safeties and linebackers who would laugh at Allen and brothers in drills?

You think pj frickin fleck loses one or two offensive linemen to the portal and says “we need two guys from g5 to start cause we don’t have anyone?” Are you serious?

Perfection from talented players? Most Purdue fans couldn’t name the 8th best player on Illinois last year if you asked them. How about not failing to follow lequint Allen on a wheel route? What? You think brothers wasn’t supposed to be there with Scourton on the option with Shrader and Allen?

Hartwig
Kalterberger
Johnson
Mbow
Moussa
Miller - had he not been run off.

There’s 6. Brohm would have found a 7th. He generally always did.

Remember when all you could do was badmouth Brohm and how bad the team was going into 2021? Who was right about that one?

All you can do is blame the old coach for these losses…have you not watched the OC and DC (Walters) make call after call this year that puts our team at a disadvantage?

It’s funny you being up the Cuse game. You’d think after like time 6 or 7 getting beat on QB runs you’d make an adjustment. Nope! Not this coach!

I’m not arguing the team is wildly talented. What I’m arguing is that they’ll never be talented enough to run the scheme this coach wants and because of that fact alone he’ll fail. This scheme doesn’t work in college. The scheme didn’t even really work at Illinois as any team with half a semblance of a pass offense beat them…which lucky for them the only played a few teams that could reliably execute a forward pass...Purdue included.

As I said…this coach could recruit well to Purdue’s standards but basically putting every player on an island and expecting them to win 1v1 is a recipe for disaster for a program with the talent level we’ll ever have.

I’d wager money we have one of the better 1st and 2nd down defenses in the country. I’d also wager that no matter the down and distance we have one of the worst 3rd and 4th down defenses in the country because we’ve asked guys who can’t cover to cover all year. If you don’t have the guys to run the scheme, adjust.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Hartwig
Kalterberger
Johnson
Mbow
Moussa
Miller - had he not been run off.

There’s 6. Brohm would have found a 7th. He generally always did.

Remember when all you could do was badmouth Brohm and how bad the team was going into 2021? Who was right about that one?

All you can do is blame the old coach for these losses…have you not watched the OC and DC (Walters) make call after call this year that puts our team at a disadvantage?

It’s funny you being up the Cuse game. You’d think after like time 6 or 7 getting beat on QB runs you’d make an adjustment. Nope! Not this coach!

I’m not arguing the team is wildly talented. What I’m arguing is that they’ll never be talented enough to run the scheme this coach wants and because of that fact alone he’ll fail. This scheme doesn’t work in college. The scheme didn’t even really work at Illinois as any team with half a semblance of a pass offense beat them…which lucky for them the only played a few teams that could reliably execute a forward pass...Purdue included.

As I said…this coach could recruit well to Purdue’s standards but basically putting every player on an island and expecting them to win 1v1 is a recipe for disaster for a program with the talent level we’ll ever have.

I’d wager money we have one of the better 1st and 2nd down defenses in the country. I’d also wager that no matter the down and distance we have one of the worst 3rd and 4th down defenses in the country because we’ve asked guys who can’t cover to cover all year. If you don’t have the guys to run the scheme, adjust.

2022 pff
Hartwig 71.9
Mbow 71.0
Johnson 63.4
Moussa 57.8
Kaltenberger 57.4
Miller 55.4

Jalen Grant and Preston Nichols are outperforming most of those guys. Grant 61, Nichols 69.

everyone on your list is good enough when you have Aidan Oconnell. Brohm left Walters with two freshmen and no difference maker at WR. Add it up and you get what you’ve seen.

If that’s what it is next year it’s on Walters

Boiler up

 

[qazplm]

This is what happens when you overload one position with high star ranked players. It improves your overall recruiting class ranking but also provides a false impression on how good your actual recruiting class is. Walters class this year also has a very high overall ranking. However it is overloaded with a lot of highly ranked DBs. I believe he now has 6. In the future he will be faced with several issues. Not all 6 of his DBs will start which may cause several to leave. The ratings of his DBs has inflated his overall recruiting class rating. And by recruiting so many DBs, he is ignoring other areas which will contribute to a recurring issue of lack of depth at other Kerry areas!

I dunno...it's clear that this defense requires a really talented secondary that can cover man to work. It's also clear that we don't really have that right now other than our super frosh safety.

A couple of those DBs will bust whether by being overrated or injury or just not good enough. He might also convert one or two to another position.

Obviously, he needs to not ignore line play and it's pretty clear we need skill position help too at QB, WR and RB.

 

[qazplm]

We’ll be lucky to go 4-8. Have you looked at the schedule?

I see four wins that we have a solid chance at and two more that we have a reasonable chance at. After that, it would take a decent upset.

Of course, it requires not getting a rash of injury, some portal hits, better offensive play calling, and normal player improvement to happen.

 

[qazplm]

2022 pff
Hartwig 71.9
Mbow 71.0
Johnson 63.4
Moussa 57.8
Kaltenberger 57.4
Miller 55.4

Jalen Grant and Preston Nichols are outperforming most of those guys. Grant 61, Nichols 69.

everyone on your list is good enough when you have Aidan Oconnell. Brohm left Walters with two freshmen and no difference maker at WR. Add it up and you get what you’ve seen.

If that’s what it is next year it’s on Walters

Boiler up

That's part of it too. One key player being really good can have outsized importance, particularly at QB.

Put AOC on this team, make no other changes at all, and we beat Fresno State, we beat Iowa, we beat NWestern. One player changes it from 3 wins to 6 and we go on to IU (which we'd also beat) for 7.

AOC elevated the players around him, the line, the receivers, the RBs. He extended drives which kept the defense fresher. Card just isn't nearly as good, at least not yet (although I don't think he has it to ever be).

If I were Walters, I wouldn't put all my eggs in the Card basket. I'd be looking for competition for next season.

 

[Bippus33]

Who is the second best corner brohm recruited and developed in 6 years here after Cory trice? Best offensive tackle?
best linebacker? Best safety?

By the way if Walters gets a guard, tackle (and a center if Hartwig leaves) and MLB that have done something at the p5 level.. even like Marquis Wilson level (Wilson was mid 60s per pff at best at penn state, 74 here) and there aren’t crippling injuries again, to me.. next season is already on him.

It’s not like you brohm fans who wanted to cry about Darrell hazell in 2022. In 2024 he better win the 6 games we will likely be favored or even in.

Indiana state, Indiana, Illinois, northwestern, Michigan state and either Nebraska, Oregon state or Wisconsin.

If the support is good enough to make offers to players who can help (not stars just good solid p5 players) at those positions, it should be his show 1000%

BC, I respect your take on a lot of topics but CRW lacks a lot basic instincts as a coach and fails to scheme things to his players strengths in key down and distance situations.
Better players would be great,but is the cat already out of the bag as far as his in game coaching ability.
Really good players aren’t drawn to schools that have a coach that is learning on the job and is unproven.......... JMTCW.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

That's part of it too. One key player being really good can have outsized importance, particularly at QB.

Put AOC on this team, make no other changes at all, and we beat Fresno State, we beat Iowa, we beat NWestern. One player changes it from 3 wins to 6 and we go on to IU (which we'd also beat) for 7.

AOC elevated the players around him, the line, the receivers, the RBs. He extended drives which kept the defense fresher. Card just isn't nearly as good, at least not yet (although I don't think he has it to ever be).

If I were Walters, I wouldn't put all my eggs in the Card basket. I'd be looking for competition for next season.

No good QB is Coming here if card is here.

Oconnell was great, but he had three of the best 10 or so receivers I’ve seen at Purdue in 25 years over two seasons.

Give card a couple good transfers up front (because by the way I’ve already heard to expect nothing from oben or carpenter), get Jahmal Edrine back.. which allows you to move Burks into the slot. Get a big receiver on the other side who is mature enough to outdo Dixon-veal 🙄, and this offense should be much better.

On defense get Beasley in where Allen once was, get a good transfer MLB. Bradford should push kane for time. Williams and culp should challenge Rogers and step toe. Kennedy should be a massive improvement over Nichols because Nichols doesn’t do anything.

Go out there and look like a much more consistent 5-7/6-6 (schedule is brutal).