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Heide and Morton

I'm really excited to see real game time and what these "other guys" are going to really bring to the table. Heide had a great game. He's also had 12 rebounds in the scrimmage so we know he can help there as well. Nice touch pass to Caleb for the slam when he could easily have taken it the hoop himself. Big cheer and flex on Calebs throw down too. I didn't watch enough to see him on defense specifically, but an impressive game showing what he can bring. I do worry about his foot issues, especially with this ability to fly pretty high. Fingers crossed tight that he stays healthy.
I believed Matt when he said that Ethan was much improved. And Ethan did the work to become a respectable defender when nobody else wanted/could (at the time) do the role. Not surprised to see him play well, but VERY happy to see him making some shots to keep the Morton haters at bay. ;)
Myles kinda came out from under wraps as well. BIg time PO there. With the guards all looking pretty nice and Morton gonna play more backcourt, Myles minutes are probably gonna have to come at 3. That Brian is even in the fight with top 100 guys for pt says a ton about him.
Gonna be a b**** to sort out the minutes.
 
I'm really excited to see real game time and what these "other guys" are going to really bring to the table. Heide had a great game. He's also had 12 rebounds in the scrimmage so we know he can help there as well. Nice touch pass to Caleb for the slam when he could easily have taken it the hoop himself. Big cheer and flex on Calebs throw down too. I didn't watch enough to see him on defense specifically, but an impressive game showing what he can bring. I do worry about his foot issues, especially with this ability to fly pretty high. Fingers crossed tight that he stays healthy.
I believed Matt when he said that Ethan was much improved. And Ethan did the work to become a respectable defender when nobody else wanted/could (at the time) do the role. Not surprised to see him play well, but VERY happy to see him making some shots to keep the Morton haters at bay. ;)
Myles kinda came out from under wraps as well. BIg time PO there. With the guards all looking pretty nice and Morton gonna play more backcourt, Myles minutes are probably gonna have to come at 3. That Brian is even in the fight with top 100 guys for pt says a ton about him.
Gonna be a b**** to sort out the minutes.
SADLY, take Furst and Waddell out and the "beeatch" is not so bad.
 
I believed Matt when he said that Ethan was much improved. And Ethan did the work to become a respectable defender when nobody else wanted/could (at the time) do the role. Not surprised to see him play well, but VERY happy to see him making some shots to keep the Morton haters at bay. ;)

M can't stay in front of guys. Saw it again vs. Arkansas ....so not sure what you think is improved? .

Admittedly, great defender on slower guys. Great on team defense.

As far as offense, pretty sure a 5 pt game when team gets 98 is not noteworthy.

But his 5 assists was very good.
 
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It will be interesting to see whose minutes really get shortened or taken away altogether as we move deeper into the season. CMP will not play this many guys, but at least last night, it was hard to argue against anyone off the bench to continue to get worthy minutes.
 
I had predicted a mid-season lineup of Edey, Heide, Waddell, Colvin, and Smith with Loyer coming in for instant offense. With 4 guys who could break a press, attack the rim, be extremely athletic on D, and hit the 3 over 35% as a team depending on at least two being hot. My second unit of Jones, Loyer, Morton, Giilles, and Furst would hand with anyone and give a respectable 15 minutes of relief. I saw TKR as our Swen Nater. Swen was the second-best player on a UCLA team and became a first-round draft pick, even though I believe he averaged less than 2 points and rebounds per game. TKR, and, for that matter, all the big men will benefit from playing against Edey if any decide to play professional ball.

This lineup was created by listening to Painter and reading between the lines. For example, Colvin is getting picked on IMO to motivate him, and he has excellent potential. Adopting this usage enables us to up-tempo the offense and have us pick up the D for the whole length of the floor.

The Samford game makes me see that Gillis will be the 11th man leaving Furst and TKR together controlling the boards. I was also impressed with Berg, which gives us a logjam of big men. It was disappointing to see Wadell drop off; as I had read, he was doing great. And it looks like I may be wrong in my prediction, and he drops to 11th man, Gillies moves into the starting PF, and Heide moves to SF. Also, Morton looked great moving the ball upcourt against the press, so maybe Loyer and Colvin flip-flop.
 
One of Ms issues is can't stay in front of guys. Saw it again vs. Arkansas ....so not sure what you think is improved? .

Admittedly, great defender on slower guys. Great on team defense.

As far as offense, pretty sure a 5 pt game when team gets 98 is not noteworthy.

But his 5 assists was very good.
agree w/ your post, he did OK last night. In the first half, he made that 3 then got a steal but right after got burned on a 1 on 1 for 2 by a true FR. Did well bringing the ball up the court.
 
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We need to start building the team to win in March. Heide and Colvin are badly needed injection of athletism.

Agree. Get those 2 minutes. Very important. Esp in games like last night where experience was not needed and it was a blow out

One thing, either way.....Heide keeps playing like last night, CMP might forget his man crush, and up Heide's minutes big time.
 
It will be interesting to see whose minutes really get shortened or taken away altogether as we move deeper into the season. CMP will not play this many guys, but at least last night, it was hard to argue against anyone off the bench to continue to get worthy minutes.
Furst will lose out (Sadly).
 
Furst will lose out (Sadly).
Painter played four guys at the 4 and 5 last year, I don’t know why he wouldn’t do the same this year. I agree that Caleb likely needs to show more if he wants to average closer to 18 minutes a game.than 12 but are you expecting him to be out of the regular rotation? Doesn’t seem likely to me.
 
I had predicted a mid-season lineup of Edey, Heide, Waddell, Colvin, and Smith with Loyer coming in for instant offense. With 4 guys who could break a press, attack the rim, be extremely athletic on D, and hit the 3 over 35% as a team depending on at least two being hot. My second unit of Jones, Loyer, Morton, Giilles, and Furst would hand with anyone and give a respectable 15 minutes of relief. I saw TKR as our Swen Nater. Swen was the second-best player on a UCLA team and became a first-round draft pick, even though I believe he averaged less than 2 points and rebounds per game. TKR, and, for that matter, all the big men will benefit from playing against Edey if any decide to play professional ball.

This lineup was created by listening to Painter and reading between the lines. For example, Colvin is getting picked on IMO to motivate him, and he has excellent potential. Adopting this usage enables us to up-tempo the offense and have us pick up the D for the whole length of the floor.

The Samford game makes me see that Gillis will be the 11th man leaving Furst and TKR together controlling the boards. I was also impressed with Berg, which gives us a logjam of big men. It was disappointing to see Wadell drop off; as I had read, he was doing great. And it looks like I may be wrong in my prediction, and he drops to 11th man, Gillies moves into the starting PF, and Heide moves to SF. Also, Morton looked great moving the ball upcourt against the press, so maybe Loyer and Colvin flip-flop.
I have no idea what you saw that would lead you to believe that Gillis will be the 11th man. That doesn’t make any sense to me given that MP played four guys at the four and five last year and is likely to again.
 
Painter played four guys at the 4 and 5 last year, I don’t know why he wouldn’t do the same this year. I agree that Caleb likely needs to show more if he wants to average closer to 18 minutes a game.than 12 but are you expecting him to be out of the regular rotation? Doesn’t seem likely to me.
Of course I don't see him being out of the rotation. "losing out" meant less minutes.
 
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M can't stay in front of guys. Saw it again vs. Arkansas ....so not sure what you think is improved? .

Admittedly, great defender on slower guys. Great on team defense.

As far as offense, pretty sure a 5 pt game when team gets 98 is not noteworthy.

But his 5 assists was very good.
I'm renaming Morton "Billy Hoyle". Watching him play defense just reminds me of Woody Harrelson in White Men Can't Jump.
 
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I tend to agree. While I like Gillis I could see him losing out as well.
you don't park the guy that does all the things that don't show in the stat sheets.
Not to mention the toughest guy on a team that got bully balled much of last season.
Coaches will continue to play the guys that do the little things they need done. And defend to a high degree.
Some fans will continue to scan the box score to determine who should be playing.
In their eyes.
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I have no idea what you saw that would lead you to believe that Gillis will be the 11th man. That doesn’t make any sense to me given that MP played four guys at the four and five last year and is likely to again.
I love the way Gillis plays but I would play Heide at the 4 next to Edey. From reading reports, they say Heide is a good rebounder, but for boxing out I would give the edge to Gillis. However, what we need next to Edey are guys who can hit the three and drive, and for that, Heide. I also want to see an up-tempo offense where Heide, a better ball-handler, assists in bringing the ball up quickly.

I think in our second unit, we need TKR at the 4 for more scoring at the post. Where does that leave Gillis as we have four guys at the 4 and 5?

If the raves of Waddell at the 3 are all hype, and he is the 11th, then you are right, and we start Gillis at the 4 and Heide at the 3.
 
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I love the way Gillis plays but I would play Heide at the 4 next to Edey. From reading reports, they say Heide is a good rebounder, but for boxing out I would give the edge to Gillis. However, what we need next to Edey are guys who can hit the three and drive, and for that, Heide. I also want to see an up-tempo offense where Heide, a better ball-handler, assists in bringing the ball up quickly.

I think in our second unit, we need TKR at the 4 for more scoring at the post. Where does that leave Gillis as we have four guys at the 4 and 5?

If the raves of Waddell at the 3 are all hype, and he is the 11th, then you are right, and we start Gillis at the 4 and Heide at the 3.
I would be shocked if Heide plays material minutes at the four this season but that's the only scenario I can think of that has any level of credibility, i.e. Cam is so good that you can't keep him off the court and Myles and others limit his minutes at the three.

Waddell is a nice insurance policy to have in case of injury but unless he dramatically improves quickly he's not going to be in the rotation, much less impacting Cam or Mason's playing time this season.
 
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I assume all 4 steals were from reach around ( without fouling) because he couldn't stay in front of anyone.
 
I would be shocked if Heide plays material minutes at the four this season but that's the only scenario I can think of that has any level of credibility, i.e. Cam is so good that you can't keep him off the court and Myles and others limit his minutes at the three.

Waddell is a nice insurance policy to have in case of injury but unless he dramatically improves quickly he's not going to be in the rotation, much less impacting Cam or Mason's playing time this season.
I agree about Waddell after watching the Samford game. Before that, I relied on what I read. Reports indicated that people who watched practiced said they could see Waddell starting at the 3. Waddell seems to be stronger and a better offensive player than Jones. Having four athletic players who can dribble and beat the press, I would rather Jones on the second unit helping beat the press with Morton. And with Wadell or Colvin at the 3, we can have Heide at the 4 for the reasons I stated. The main one is that we can go with four good rebounding, quicker men with Edey.
 
I don’t see Heide at the 4 except for potentially in late game press breaking situations where I think that a line-up of Smith, Jones, Loyer, Heide, and Edey could be quite effective.
 
Waddell seems to be stronger and a better offensive player than Jones. Having four athletic players who can dribble and beat the press, I would rather Jones on the second unit helping beat the press with Morton. And with Wadell or Colvin at the 3, we can have Heide at the 4 for the reasons I stated. The main one is that we can go with four good rebounding, quicker men with Edey.
Waddell is absolutely not stronger than Jones, not even close. I'm not sure what would lead you to think he's a better offensive player at this point, I don't see it.

Obviously you and Thadoc are welcome to whatever preferences you want at the 4. Barring injury, it's just not going to happen unless Cam really blows up to the point that he needs 30mpg.

Too many other good, experienced options at the 4 and 95% of the time you don't need four ball handlers on the court. I can get why you'd want that but not worth the trade off in experience, size and rebounding unless Cam blows up.
 
I would be shocked if Heide plays material minutes at the four this season but that's the only scenario I can think of that has any level of credibility, i.e. Cam is so good that you can't keep him off the court and Myles and others limit his minutes at the three.

Waddell is a nice insurance policy to have in case of injury but unless he dramatically improves quickly he's not going to be in the rotation, much less impacting Cam or Mason's playing time this season.
It just seems like Brian’s knee isn’t 100%… I know I keep saying it…but just seems off. Hope it heals up as the season wears on.

I hope cam keeps getting more and more mins, but hope everyone knows there will be some growing pains (and with Myles too), but hopefully those are worked out by mid Feb!
 
Waddell is absolutely not stronger than Jones, not even close. I'm not sure what would lead you to think he's a better offensive player at this point, I don't see it.

Obviously you and Thadoc are welcome to whatever preferences you want at the 4. Barring injury, it's just not going to happen unless Cam really blows up to the point that he needs 30mpg.

Too many other good, experienced options at the 4 and 95% of the time you don't need four ball handlers on the court. I can get why you'd want that but not worth the trade off in experience, size and rebounding unless Cam blows up.
How do you know Waddell doesn’t bench press more than Jones?!? 😂
 
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It just seems like Brian’s knee isn’t 100%… I know I keep saying it…but just seems off. Hope it heals up as the season wears on.
Could be. I don't know if it's the knee but I do think he still has some work to do physically. He just came in so underdeveloped physically. It also looks to me like he's just adjusting to being on the big stage.

On a lot of previous Purdue team's I think he'd have more of an opportunity to play through those things but with Heide and Colvin at the same spot I think it will be tough for him to break through this year.
 
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Waddell is absolutely not stronger than Jones, not even close. I'm not sure what would lead you to think he's a better offensive player at this point, I don't see it.

Obviously you and Thadoc are welcome to whatever preferences you want at the 4. Barring injury, it's just not going to happen unless Cam really blows up to the point that he needs 30mpg.

Too many other good, experienced options at the 4 and 95% of the time you don't need four ball handlers on the court. I can get why you'd want that but not worth the trade off in experience, size and rebounding unless Cam blows up.
Again, I am going by what I read, and reports are Waddell has a nice shot and can drive. Maybe his knee is still giving him trouble, I don't know. Hummel said it looked like he spent a lot of time in the weight room.

Jones looks ideal for this team, and from my observation, he looks like one heck of a man-on-man defender, and he looks like a tremendous dribbler; this is why I am for teaming him with Morton. I saw he takes it to the hole very well, but his jump shot was not falling and that is why I lean towards Waddell. Again, my viewpoint is that we have a 1st and 2nd unit averaging out 23 and 17 with some overlapping that could have Jones averaging 23.

And again, Heide looks to be a good rebounder, but everything I have read is that he is tearing it up from 3. And maybe I am mistaken, but wasn't Smith our 2nd leading rebounder because of his quickness while Edey cleaned up the boards around the rim? I guess I am also thinking back thirty years ago to Olajuwon playing with four 3-point shooters. If that works, we can always put Colvin at the 3.
 
Again, I am going by what I read, and reports are Waddell has a nice shot and can drive. Maybe his knee is still giving him trouble, I don't know. Hummel said it looked like he spent a lot of time in the weight room.

Jones looks ideal for this team, and from my observation, he looks like one heck of a man-on-man defender, and he looks like a tremendous dribbler; this is why I am for teaming him with Morton. I saw he takes it to the hole very well, but his jump shot was not falling and that is why I lean towards Waddell. Again, my viewpoint is that we have a 1st and 2nd unit averaging out 23 and 17 with some overlapping that could have Jones averaging 23.

And again, Heide looks to be a good rebounder, but everything I have read is that he is tearing it up from 3. And maybe I am mistaken, but wasn't Smith our 2nd leading rebounder because of his quickness while Edey cleaned up the boards around the rim? I guess I am also thinking back thirty years ago to Olajuwon playing with four 3-point shooters. If that works, we can always put Colvin at the 3.
So have you actually watched anything or just read all about it ?!
 
Painter has some 'good" problems ahead. To me, Heide and Colvin have to have decent minutes too infuse some athleticism into the mix and quite possibly hitting some 3's. Jones has to play as well. He doesn't necessarily have to score a lot but we need his speed and strength in the backcourt. Smith is a very underrated PG but does make some silly TOs. I am torn between Furst and TKR. Furst appears more athletic but TKR can score easier than Furst. I am not sold that Waddell or Berg add a lot when the competition gets better. Morton is Morton. Gillis is experienced but is going to need to up his game to get on the court. As long as Loyer is scoring well, he needs to play. If he goes into a drought, there are guys to replace him.
 
Easy that’s why all the guys had four steals…oh wait. oh, and the 5 assists in 15 minutes, just luck.

Morton is a GREAT defender against average college players. Even great against very good players as long as they aren't quick.

He excells in team defense .....sometimes yes, he over helps, but that is on coach more than players as that is a team wide problem.

Problem is as the competition and athletism heats up, he gets blowed by like a Kansas wind as we saw vs Ark. So nothing new there. Same old M.
 
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