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Is that person inside and dependent on my body? If not, then no. What a terrible comparison.
You're essentially justifying a woman to be able to kill someone so they can have a flat stomach... Maybe she shouldn't have had unprotected sex.
Then go to the place where it isn't and have your procedure. Not that hard. The majority of states will not make it illegal.
You said the left wing media was lying to people about roe vs wade but it turns out you are the one lying.
Abortion is still legal in at least 32 states across the country, even if you include the states with trigger laws that haven’t yet taken effect. Abortion was illegal in only 8 states prior to the USSC decision.
So that decision did make it illegal in some states despite what has been said above?
I don’t know WTF point you’re trying to make. It’s like trying to reason with a 4 year old.
Of course there are some states with trigger laws. Abortion is still legal in nearly 2/3 of the states.
How am I lying? Can states have legal abortion with Roe removed? This should be a rhetorical question.
You are being disingenuous. Abortion became illegal in some states because roe vs wade was overturned. You said the left wing media was lying g about this.
Here's what Chief Justice Warren Burger said on the day the ruling on Roe was announced.
"Plainly, the court today rejects any claim that the Constitution requires abortion on demand."
Then Blackmen proposed to issue a news release to accompany the decision, issued Jan. 22, 1973. “I fear what the headlines may be,” he wrote in a memo. His statement, never issued, emphasized that the court was not giving women “an absolute right to abortion,” nor was it saying that the “Constitution compels abortion on demand.”
Blackmun had said that abortion “must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman’s attending physician.”
In other words, Roe v Wade was never meant to affirm a right to abortion. Especially not in the way it was used today.
No I'm not. You are. What I said is that overurning Roe doesn't itself make it illegal. The individual states have to do so. Yes, some did. Most did not and will not.
This woman is spot on. Roe probably would have never been looked at in this way if the Left didn't go WAY too far with it. I linked only to the part where she speaks.
Still not addressing the fact that you’re a hypocrite who is intellectually dishonest? Nice essay though!
residents who leave their state to have an abortion in another state,
should be fully prosecuted if they return home where killing is illegal.
Um. How about multiple Covid relief packages authorizing trillions? The largest expenditure packages ever? Did you remember Covid?
And some could argue that the expediency and manner it passed (which you desire)is what lead to its deficiencies.
You liberals sure thought so when trying to force vaccines on other people.
Really? Legally? If your kids need something from your body to save their lives, the government can force you to provide it? What country do you live in?
Oh, yeah, well I would expect most parents would make the same choice. But, then its not correct to say your kids have the "right" to use your body to sustain their own lives. YOU have the right to decide whether they can or not, and you've chosen yes. Thankfully, the government allows you to make that choice on your own -- you know, since it's your body and all -- rather than make it for you under penalty of criminal prosecution.
Do you go by what the majority wants or do you go by what the Constitution says?
Assistance was necessary to fight Covid. The typical pork overspending that was included is a big reason we have rampant inflation today. Job well done DC.
This is simple: pass federal legislation decriminalizing abortion in cases of incest and rape, and also in cases where the woman’s life may be in danger up to XX number of weeks in term (whatever low number that is).
Then let the individual states decide about legalizing abortion at-will.
Then we can move on to issues of far greater importance than this interminable debate about a topic as relatively narrow-reaching abortion.
What’s healthy for this country would be to stop trying to legislate morality at the Federal level.
Then let the individual states decide about legalizing abortion at-will.
Then we can move on to issues of far greater importance than this interminable debate about a topic as relatively narrow-reaching abortion.
What’s healthy for this country would be to stop trying to legislate morality at the Federal level.
This exactly is what the SCOTUS decision does. It moves the decision from a small group of elite individuals and back to the people to decide. What's also crazy is that the majority of Americans would fully support the Mississippi abortion bill that was challenged and lead to this. it would probably be a really good framework for consensus.
What Americans won't support is the bill Schumer et al put forth which was abortion on-demand at any point, stripping parental notifications, etc. But most people don't know what was proposed in response to the decision.
In reality, abortion advocates should be happy about this. Clean slate. Now make your argument and win over the public with ideas and policy, not threats and actions of violence. If the support is what the ladies of the "The View" say it is then its slam dunk.
Your first sentence is very reasonable and agreeable, and which is why I'll ask again, Why when Obama had a supermajority in the Senate, and control of the house, did he not codify Roe v. Wade? The cynic in me says they didn't want to lose the value abortion has for fundraising and voter turnout. And now we have this.
