Good players Purdue has recruited, developed and retained by class

[BCfanatic2020]

2020
Jenkins
Hartwig

2021
Mbow
Mockobee

2022
Klare
Omonode

Six guys in your 5th year, senior and junior classes. Tell me where I’m wrong

Wanna look at the 03 team? Again, if a much better coach comes here next year, that 2021 and 2022 class is still going to be a problem.

 

[Wolegib]

I’ll agree. Purdue’s biggest problem in the past decade is its inability to develop players to a level above what they were when they first arrived.

Wr Moore’s best season was his first year. Did he improve after that year?

George K was awesome when he arrived. How much did Purdue develop his talents after he arrived?

We say Purdue red shirts players so they can develop. But there is no development! For most Purdue players, that redshirt year is a total waste other than gaining weight from pizzas and burgers!

Have any portal transfer players improved after they arrived? Surely a Wr transfer from Georgia has improved, right? Is Card better now than he was at Texas? One of his best collegiate games was when he stepped in and played due to an injury at Texas. How much has Card improved? How much did Purdue develop his talents?


Transversely, have any players who transferred away from Purdue amounted to anything at their new school? I recall that Wr/te who left Purdue for MSU. It’s funny, I didn’t see his name in last year’s nfl draft. Purdue’s coaches ruined him. Or maybe he wasn’t good to begin with. Plummer was awesome before he came to Purdue. As were many other 4/5 star QBs who came to Purdue. Were they overhyped? Or just badly coached?

Purdue has had a lot of 4 star players who were total flops. I wonder. Were they just over rated? Or did Purdue’s development and coaching staff ruin them?

 

[pboiler18]

2020
Jenkins
Hartwig

2021
Mbow
Mockobee

2022
Klare
Omonode

Six guys in your 5th year, senior and junior classes. Tell me where I’m wrong

Wanna look at the 03 team? Again, if a much better coach comes here next year, that 2021 and 2022 class is still going to be a problem.

Too much emphasis and assumption that the average tenure of a player at a program is 4-5 years. I’d imagine it’s 2.5 post transfer portal and is getting shorter by the day with NIL.

I don’t have the #s. I don’t necessarily care. I know that Purdue isn’t the only team NOT retaining talent. You’re stuck in the past here. Using a pre transfer portal indicator for retention in a transfer portal world.

You say you don’t care if Walters goes but you’re the #1 person beating the drum that the teams not talented. Pretty much everybody who was on that train is off of it after seeing the past 6 games of the season. I think you’re maybe the only person
Left ignoring what they see and over analyzing a situation that this coach has almost wholly created for himself.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Too much emphasis and assumption that the average tenure of a player at a program is 4-5 years. I’d imagine it’s 2.5 post transfer portal and is getting shorter by the day with NIL.

I don’t have the #s. I don’t necessarily care. I know that Purdue isn’t the only team NOT retaining talent. You’re stuck in the past here. Using a pre transfer portal indicator for retention in a transfer portal world.

You say you don’t care if Walters goes but you’re the #1 person beating the drum that the teams not talented. Pretty much everybody who was on that train is off of it after seeing the past 6 games of the season. I think you’re maybe the only person
Left ignoring what they see and over analyzing a situation that this coach has almost wholly created for himself.

Who left that was worth a shit besides Scourton and Burks?

 

[RDUBoiler]

Who left that was worth a shit besides Scourton and Burks?

Scourton is a potential top ten pick in the NFL draft per some reports. Definitely a first rounder.

Burks would have been our top receiver and a potential game changer on offense. Those are big losses.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

2020
Jenkins
Hartwig

2021
Mbow
Mockobee

2022
Klare
Omonode

Six guys in your 5th year, senior and junior classes. Tell me where I’m wrong

Wanna look at the 03 team? Again, if a much better coach comes here next year, that 2021 and 2022 class is still going to be a problem.

Kane was 2020 and graduated. I’d add Moussa to 2021. Many in 2022 are redshirt sophomores, a bit too early for jury there. Strickland and some of the OL may develop still.

 

[NVboiler]

r was awesome before he came to Purdue. As were many other 4/5 star QBs who came to Purdue. Were they overhyped? Or just badly coached?

I've always wondered what happened to those QBs with good ratings that came to Purdue and then were never heard from again. Same for some promising running backs. Excellent high school statistics and then never seen again. You'd think that more of them would be coached up and then be seen on the field. Maybe they would have been better to have gone to such a football powerhouse as Milton College (I believe it's now closed) in Wisconsin in Wolegib's former backyard and then have become a QB starter in the NFL.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Scourton is a potential top ten pick in the NFL draft per some reports. Definitely a first rounder.

Burks would have been our top receiver and a potential game changer on offense. Those are big losses.

Yes but pboilers whole thing is.. can’t talk home grown players cause players just leave now. Who is doing anything at the p5 level besides those two

 

[pboiler18]

Yes but pboilers whole thing is.. can’t talk home grown players cause players just leave now. Who is doing anything at the p5 level besides those two

I dont hold it against Walters that 2 Brohm recruits left.

Ones an easy top 20 pick in this next draft. I thought Brohm gave up?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Kane was 2020 and graduated. I’d add Moussa to 2021. Many in 2022 are redshirt sophomores, a bit too early for jury there. Strickland and some of the OL may develop still.

But I’m talking about what this staff was left, and what the next staff will inherit.

Kane would be a 5th year senior. Totally normal for players from that class at any school to be gone.

Moussa does not have big ten strength, though he’s better. I wouldn’t call him a player who could start for big ten teams. Not more than a couple.

For comparison, had tiller left after his sixth year, he had 25 guys who fit that bill. Now you need less money

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I dont hold it against Walters that 2 Brohm recruits left.

Ones an easy top 20 pick in this next draft. I thought Brohm gave up?

No no.. this is about you claiming that only 6 players who are competent big ten players remaining can’t be discussed cause players leave .. almost no one left who did anything after they left.

Scourton was a backup who did almost nothing for mark Hagen lol

 

[pboiler18]

No no.. this is about you claiming that only 6 players who are competent big ten players remaining can’t be discussed cause players leave .. almost no one left who did anything after they left.

Scourton was a backup who did almost nothing for mark Hagen lol

He was a Freshman. Most don’t play.

You’ve talked yourself in a giant circle here.

I don’t think the talents great but 3 things have or haven’t happened.

1 . Development of who’s here by Walters. Nobody seems to be getting better.

2. There’s been a lot of roster turnover. Last year the board claimed the coach needed his guys. This year you’re using the fact that HE has turned over the roster to get “his” guys against the previous coach and not this one. It’s hard to develop guys when you don’t let them stick around.

3. Scourton and Jenkins both broke out. The defense still sucked. We can have a few guys here or there but unless this D is loaded with future NFL talent it’s not gunna work. We’ve seen that 18 games worth and it’s getting worse.

I have no problems with him bringing in who he thinks he needs to win. The issue is I can’t think of a Purdue team that’s EVER had the roster to make his defense work. It just doesn’t. Not for us. I don’t hate the guy for it but I’d like him to move on because he’s not a fit for us.

Yes, money makes this all easier but t we don’t know who would have or would not have developed with Brohm. Browne is one of his. Klare is one of his. 3 OL are his. There are guys. But 2 years later I think you’d have a hard time finding me that many teams who kept around a large chunk of their players.

Everybody has their hands out. Everybody looking to leave for a “better” situation. You talk about NIL a lot but you seem to not understand its ramifications of turnover on the team.

Keep blaming Brohm!

 

[BCfanatic2020]

He was a Freshman. Most don’t play.

You’ve talked yourself in a giant circle here.

I don’t think the talents great but 3 things have or haven’t happened.

1 . Development of who’s here by Walters. Nobody seems to be getting better.

2. There’s been a lot of roster turnover. Last year the board claimed the coach needed his guys. This year you’re using the fact that HE has turned over the roster to get “his” guys against the previous coach and not this one. It’s hard to develop guys when you don’t let them stick around.

3. Scourton and Jenkins both broke out. The defense still sucked. We can have a few guys here or there but unless this D is loaded with future NFL talent it’s not gunna work. We’ve seen that 18 games worth and it’s getting worse.

I have no problems with him bringing in who he thinks he needs to win. The issue is I can’t think of a Purdue team that’s EVER had the roster to make his defense work. It just doesn’t. Not for us. I don’t hate the guy for it but I’d like him to move on because he’s not a fit for us.

Yes, money makes this all easier but t we don’t know who would have or would not have developed with Brohm. Browne is one of his. Klare is one of his. 3 OL are his. There are guys. But 2 years later I think you’d have a hard time finding me that many teams who kept around a large chunk of their players.

Everybody has their hands out. Everybody looking to leave for a “better” situation. You talk about NIL a lot but you seem to not understand its ramifications of turnover on the team.

Keep blaming Brohm!

Walters ended up with 6 players from 3 classes who are good big ten players. Who has been good elsewhere? Two guys. 8 is not nearly enough unless you have money… it’s certainly not a job well done at roster management by the previous staff.

What don’t you get. And don’t give me 9 paragraphs.

Does this mean Walters is good? No. Will this still impact the next coach? Yes

 

[pboiler18]

Walters ended up with 6 players from 3 classes who are good big ten players. Who has been good elsewhere? Two guys. 8 is not nearly enough unless you have money… it’s certainly not a job well done at roster management by the previous staff.

What don’t you get. And don’t give me 9 paragraphs.

Does this mean Walters is good? No. Will this still impact the next coach? Yes

I remember your “we only have X guys” argument from before the 2021 season.

It was wrong then and it’s wrong now.

Get a good coach. Build a good staff. The rest will come.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I remember your “we only have X guys” argument from before the 2021 season.

It was wrong then and it’s wrong now.

Get a good coach. Build a good staff. The rest will come.

The argument was “only x guys have PREVIOUSLY PROVEN to be big ten starters. Then a bunch of guys showed up. But that wasn’t Brohm’s 2nd year and those guys weren’t true sophomores.

Brohm left a mess for Walters

Walters in turn is not ready and made some stinky hires

Brohm’s mess will also not do the next coach any favors

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Scourton is a potential top ten pick in the NFL draft per some reports. Definitely a first rounder.

Burks would have been our top receiver and a potential game changer on offense. Those are big losses.

Re: Burks

He's got 201 yards on the year and 3tds (which all came in the first game). He's missed 2 or 3 games with injury. Seems OK used him kind of like Rondale in AZ, ie a lot of short passes.

Yes, good chance he would have been #1 on our team. But really more of just a guy on OK it appears.

Note, I really liked Burks and wish he were here.

 

[pboiler18]

The argument was “only x guys have PREVIOUSLY PROVEN to be big ten starters. Then a bunch of guys showed up. But that wasn’t Brohm’s 2nd year and those guys weren’t true sophomores.

Brohm left a mess for Walters

Walters in turn is not ready and made some stinky hires

Brohm’s mess will also not do the next coach any favors

So you think Walters with 4 wins last year got the most out of the “mess”?

With hindsight that looks like it should have been a 6-7 win team. 6-7 wins is above our average and I would t quantify that as a mess.

Couple that with Walters giving the boot to a lot of guys, your point doesn’t hold water.

By the end of the year Walters will have left behind 2 years worth of mess for the next guy.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

So you think Walters with 4 wins last year got the most out of the “mess”?

With hindsight that looks like it should have been a 6-7 win team. 6-7 wins is above our average and I would t quantify that as a mess.

Couple that with Walters giving the boot to a lot of guys, your point doesn’t hold water.

By the end of the year Walters will have left behind 2 years worth of mess for the next guy.

No, you’re an idiot so you miss the part where I said he’s not ready. He definitely made it worse. So you have your accountability Wyatt Earp, and yet brohm still left behind a mess that would have had a lot of coaches who are much better than Walters stuck in the mud.

We could hire one of these much better coaches for next fall. His two seniors who can play will be Omonode and Klare.

Joe Jefferson - eh
Zion Steptoe - lol
Jimmy Liston - may be something by then
Jordan Buchanan - yawn
Joe Strickland - nothing
Curtis Deville - nope
Kentrell makes - I got $20 for you if you can even find this guy lol
Malachi preciado - nada
Andre oben - wrong oben
Vince carpenter - don’t think so
JP Deeter - 34 snaps for Arizona state this year .. Brohm quit
Roman Pitre - 28 snaps for Arizona state this year
Terence Thomas - zzz
Charlie kenrich - zilch
Cross Watson -
Nic Scourton - great talent
Domanick moon
Brady Allen
Julio Macias

So you’ve got two guys who can play, a first round pick who transferred, a couple p4 transfers who barely play.. hell the 4th best player in the class might Be Jimmy Liston?

What coach is supposed to come here and win with that man? Let’s agree that Walters is the worst ever. Okay he’s gone.. you’re gonna expect stuff from Chris creighton with that? Really?

 

[pboiler18]

No, you’re an idiot so you miss the part where I said he’s not ready. He definitely made it worse. So you have your accountability Wyatt Earp, and yet brohm still left behind a mess that would have had a lot of coaches who are much better than Walters stuck in the mud.

We could hire one of these much better coaches for next fall. His two seniors who can play will be Omonode and Klare.

Joe Jefferson - eh
Zion Steptoe - lol
Jimmy Liston - may be something by then
Jordan Buchanan - yawn
Joe Strickland - nothing
Curtis Deville - nope
Kentrell makes - I got $20 for you if you can even find this guy lol
Malachi preciado - nada
Andre oben - wrong oben
Vince carpenter - don’t think so
JP Deeter - 34 snaps for Arizona state this year .. Brohm quit
Roman Pitre - 28 snaps for Arizona state this year
Terence Thomas - zzz
Charlie kenrich - zilch
Cross Watson -
Nic Scourton - great talent
Domanick moon
Brady Allen
Julio Macias

So you’ve got two guys who can play, a first round pick who transferred, a couple p4 transfers who barely play.. hell the 4th best player in the class might Be Jimmy Liston?

What coach is supposed to come here and win with that man? Let’s agree that Walters is the worst ever. Okay he’s gone.. you’re gonna expect stuff from Chris creighton with that? Really?

So Brohm or the next coach shouldnt try and upgrade the roster?

2023 was a 4 win team talent wise (it was better)

Why won’t you answer those questions?

 

[qazplm]

No, you’re an idiot so you miss the part where I said he’s not ready. He definitely made it worse. So you have your accountability Wyatt Earp, and yet brohm still left behind a mess that would have had a lot of coaches who are much better than Walters stuck in the mud.

We could hire one of these much better coaches for next fall. His two seniors who can play will be Omonode and Klare.

Joe Jefferson - eh
Zion Steptoe - lol
Jimmy Liston - may be something by then
Jordan Buchanan - yawn
Joe Strickland - nothing
Curtis Deville - nope
Kentrell makes - I got $20 for you if you can even find this guy lol
Malachi preciado - nada
Andre oben - wrong oben
Vince carpenter - don’t think so
JP Deeter - 34 snaps for Arizona state this year .. Brohm quit
Roman Pitre - 28 snaps for Arizona state this year
Terence Thomas - zzz
Charlie kenrich - zilch
Cross Watson -
Nic Scourton - great talent
Domanick moon
Brady Allen
Julio Macias

So you’ve got two guys who can play, a first round pick who transferred, a couple p4 transfers who barely play.. hell the 4th best player in the class might Be Jimmy Liston?

What coach is supposed to come here and win with that man? Let’s agree that Walters is the worst ever. Okay he’s gone.. you’re gonna expect stuff from Chris creighton with that? Really?

Some folks struggle with the idea that more than one thing can be true. That a coach can not be ready, and that the talent level can be lowered and that you need money in the age of NIL.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

So Brohm or the next coach shouldnt try and upgrade the roster?

2023 was a 4 win team talent wise (it was better)

Why won’t you answer those questions?

Upgrade the roster? By going back in time and getting more good players in the older recruiting classes? Or with the IU approach and the money they don’t have?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Some folks struggle with the idea that more than one thing can be true. That a coach can not be ready, and that the talent level can be lowered and that you need money in the age of NIL.

This. He thinks that me saying brohm quit and left a mess has to mean Walters is good. It doesn’t lol.