Quit losing the same way. Rational people do not care Purdue lost to NW. They are tired of Purdue losing in the same fashion with zero adjustments.
What adjustments should painter have made? Double boo out of the PnR and force someone else to beat us? The other guys shot 8-15 from 3, 21-46 overall. Put Morton on Buie? Was going to be same result…it was good Heide got those mins and thrown In there in a situation like that—-as everyone on here has been begging for more Heide mins, they got what they wished for. Go to a zone? NW shot lights 50% from 3 and nearly the same overall—maybe could have gone 1-3-1 or 3-2 but never see that much in college—-the 1-3-1 was a good one for Beilins WV teams. I guess we could have put Colvin in and see what he could have done shooting it, but so far he’s shown he’s not quite there on defense yet, hope he gets there by Feb. what else could we have done?
You would rather lose more often, just for changes sake?
I would like for Painter to quit losing to teams he should beat because his guards are getting cooked on defense. The NW game was a snapshot of how Purdue will get bounced in the tourney unless he fixes it. If losing to a 15 and 16 seed in back to back years doesn’t make you change, I am doubtful anything will.
Oh no. It's how you whine on your teams website that matters.
Playing zone in stretches to get them out of sync is not illegal
Explain to those of us that don't quite understand, just what the coach is supposed to do to fix his guards getting cooked on defense?
Definitely think mixing in zone when our guards are getting abused would be helpful. We will never know though because Painter will never do it. After the game he will just say we need to be better and that the other teams guards were special, magnificent. Why is he and everyone defending him opposed to trying zone. We have an 18 year sample size that says what he does defensively against teams with good guards doesn’t work. Do something different. Maybe you try it and it doesn’t work, or maybe it does work.
I would try not having Zach play drop coverage and for him to pressure the shooter. Just do this every so often to keep the opponent guessing.
That would be worth trying later in games when Zach isn't in foul trouble, but zone a team that's shooting 50% from 3? That's nuts!
I was looking for a little more up-tempo in the 2nd half. Jones tried on a couple of opportunities, but I don't think they worked out well. The ball movement was so good in the first 12 minutes, I wish it could have continued. But I wonder if it would have looked better if we had made a couple of those 3s from right in front of our bench, more or less right below where I was sitting. A couple of those wide open looks go in, then we're not complaining a whole lot right now. Is it as simple as that?
Missing the point. NW was a microcosm of Purdue the past few years. This loss was how we lose in the tournament…good guards abusing us. Mixing in zone a couple of possessions could get them out of sync and we can steal a possession or two. We are a man team, I get it. I just don’t understand why you wouldn’t mix your defenses up. Will never though, Painter is too stubborn to try anything different.
I doubt any coach is going to mix in zone on a team that is tearing it up from 3. You're more like to give up way more than could be gained. One extra 3 in a single possession game and you're toast. At that point folks on this site will be ripping Painter for a stupid decision.
Good news is you don’t have to worry. Painter would rather watch his guards get abused than try anything different.
Not worried at all. In fact, I think this loss helps more than it hurts. Taking care of the ball and shooting better pretty much fixes all the problems. The problem that isn't fixed is the propensity for these guys to get tight in close games. You either have "it" or you don't. We'll find out as the season plays out.
No problem with the loss. The problem as I see it is what has not been fixed with our last few NCAA tournament losses. Our guards get abused on defense and he doesn’t mix anything up or change. Chris Collins figured it out and they got back in the game. Set a screen so Loyer would switch on to Buie and get out of the way and let him cook Loyer over and over. There was no adjustment, no change, nothing. This is what will happen in the tourney, unless he makes a change. Which he won’t because he is too stubborn.
Bingo. That's way to hard for some people on here to understand. When we lose its the same way every time. Usually some guard just goes off and has a career game. We do nothing to stop it. One day Painter will figure it out. Hopefully
Stop forcing it to Edey when he isn't open. That's usually when most of the turnovers happen. They need to move the ball around more or something else. Instead of just praying Edey can get it all the time.
I think he tried once and Purdue lost sight of a player diving to the rim that Boo passed a bounce pass to for a bucket. That said, yeah mix it up a bit I believe would help. If the defender on say Boo holds his ground decently then Zach could help behind the Purdue player as an obstacle and not pick up a foul. Zach is not quick, but quicker than last year...and smarter as well. Maybe the one man zone he plays extends at times?
As far as "guards getting abused", do you consider Harris and Cox as a move towards your desire or do they fall short of what is needed on the defensive end? not a showing on D, but another winner coming to Purdue
It seems pretty common that some think there is a solution at hand when every single move has a trade-off. What are you willing to trade off for what you want? That is always the questions as is you can't have a defensive team and an offensive team most the game as the flow does not allow it. When you have a player on the court you get his offense and defense and so how does that trade-off compare to the opposition and time of game? There is NO approach that is fool proof...what are you willing to trade relative to players and approach?
Never seen either one play, but it would appear they bring more athleticism and are probably better on ball defenders.
Out of sync? You’re hoping that would. But they shot 50%. Not sure it woulda thrown them off. But yeah guess we coulda tried it but if it didn’t work, I’m sure everyone would be wondering why we tried it
How do we convince the guards you want ? Pay them with NIL? Cuz Purdue doesn’t seem
Try different things in the regular season and see if they work so you have an idea what may or may not work in the tournament. Losses in regular season are not bad. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is pointless
Missing the point. I’m not saying the guards we have are bad. I’m saying Painter not changing his defense to help his guards out is the problem. Painter is set on playing man no matter what. Loyer is a bad on the ball defender, why is he putting him in that position? Try something different or upgrade the athleticism of the guards.
Trade off of taking Loyer out is you don’t have his offense. Nw was attacking him by having his man set an on ball screen for Buie and make Loyer switch onto Buie. Take Loyer out, who do you put in? Morton? Now you have a trade off with the liabilty on offense with Morton where they don’t have to guard him at all. Purdue had no timeouts and couldn’t do a defense for offense substitution on every play.
Lance and Braden bring better on ball defenders than most of the Purdue teams in the recent past. Cox and Harris bring a bit more height than the combo of Lance and Braden. I'm not worried about Lance or Braden going up against other teams athletic abilities. I happen to like Purdue having them...as with Fletch as well although his strength comes into play at times. If Fletch doesn't dive to the floor to get a ball and start a break Purdue may not beat Tenn. and that was on top of his offense that game...just as the heady play Braden made to stop a Marquette break with around 3 minutes to go 15 feet from their goal by fouling and them not in bonus during their big run.
No, I said Painter should try something different and quit putting his guards in bad positions on defense. If he isn’t going to do that then he better upgrade athleticism to fit what he wants to do. It’s his job to find the players that can do what he wants do on defense or he needs to change the defense from time to time to fit their skill set. Painter will never do what Coach K did in 2022.
I cant speak for others, but I welcome losses in the regular season because it helps you figure your team out. However, losing in the same fashion as we lose in the tournament without trying new things to see if they work is annoying. We will have cold shooting nights and we will face a guard that is better offensively than our guards are defensively. Try something different on defense to see if it works. Why anyone is opposed to that is a head scratcher for me. But whatever.
