Super Bowl wins.
As they say, statistics are for losers, other than the W/L column.
Drew Brees is the greatest of all time
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Super Bowl wins.
As they say, statistics are for losers, other than the W/L column.
Also, Brees benefitted from teaming up with Sean Payton. Look at his stats in San Diego v New Orleans.
Was it two years ago where there was the misssed PI call that should have helped NO win. Even the NFL said it should have been called.
As more say, stats are for losers … to criticize.
Since the profession of analytics, measurements of actual individual performance and owning all of the all-time league records are lost on you, we must return to elementary thinking and play a little one-on-one, head-to-head, mano-o-mano ...
And it’s Brees 5 (five) wins, Brady 2 (two) wins. That’s including Brees by 38-3 (that’s thirty-eight to three, since you can’t read real numbers) for a 2020 sweep.
Against Brees, Brady is for losers. Lose on.
Oh, and by the way, Super Bowls is not an individual statistic. But, you don’t get stats.
No... Robert Kraft and the entire Patriots organization has done that better than anyone else in the past 20 years. The only comparable organizations would be the Seattle Seahawks and Pittsburg Steelers.
Speaking of which, no way would we look back at the 70's Steelers and put forth the ridiculously absurd notion that Terry Bradshaw was an elite QB, better than everyone else. For organizations to succeed like that they need to be well-run, well-coached, with an entire staff working in unison, able to get the players on the field to "buy in" and execute.
None of that is in no way an effort to diminish Tom Brady's performance. To suggest QB "A" is better than QB "B" due to the organization's SB success is just ... bizarre.
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I think your point is a bit contradictory. Brees benefitted from Tiller's system, as did Dicken, Orton, Painter, et al.
Brady benefitted from NE's system.
I don't think the systems were built for them, they were in the right place at the right time and were able to capitalize.
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Possibly true.
If memory serves, Brady also took the team of a generation ... a team that was absolutely loaded ... a team that went undefeated at 18-0 ... and promptly lost the Super Bowl to Eli Manning. He lost the SB to Eli two times in 5 years.
Trivia Question (Only For Those Who Like Stats):
How many Saints defensive linemen touched Brady’s second of three interceptions on Sunday Night Football?
A.) One. B.) Two. C.) Three. D.) Four.
The answer is C -- Three, although it landed in the hands of One -- as in, Onyemata. Big David caught the ball from Brady by way of Saints teammates Marcus Davenport and Cameron Jordan, as all three pass-rushers on the play got turns touching Brady’s apparent attempt at a screen pass, which he single-handedly converted from well smelled-out to a total stinker.
Brady is being credited with introducing “volleyball on grass” to the NFC South.
If only seeing is believing, forward to 2:12 at https://www.neworleanssaints.com/video/saints-at-buccaneers-week-9-recap-highlights-nfl-2020
How many Saints defensive linemen touched Brady’s second of three interceptions on Sunday Night Football?
A.) One. B.) Two. C.) Three. D.) Four.
The answer is C -- Three, although it landed in the hands of One -- as in, Onyemata. Big David caught the ball from Brady by way of Saints teammates Marcus Davenport and Cameron Jordan, as all three pass-rushers on the play got turns touching Brady’s apparent attempt at a screen pass, which he single-handedly converted from well smelled-out to a total stinker.
Brady is being credited with introducing “volleyball on grass” to the NFC South.
If only seeing is believing, forward to 2:12 at https://www.neworleanssaints.com/video/saints-at-buccaneers-week-9-recap-highlights-nfl-2020
I know you're just trolling, but you do realize that Brees wasn't playing Brady 1 on 1 in basketball, right? In fact, on not a single play, in a single match up where Brees and Brady were opposing QBs, did Brees or Brady make a play against the other.
But again, this isn't Fantasy Football where the only thing that matters is your players statistics.
Ask Brees whether he'd rather win the statistics war or the Super Bowl rings war. I'm pretty sure I know which he'd prefer.
So, are you saying that regardless of who the Steelers or Pats put at QB during those years, they would have won?
But to the point of the 'system'...As someone once said, "it's not the X's and the O's, it's the Jimmy's and the Joe's"
WTF are you talking about?
Do you have a man-crush on Brady and you're upset that he hasn't replied to any of your stalker tweets?
No.
No, I didn't say that at all.
Yes... the Jimmys and Joes. Again.... all across the roster, and all throughout the organization.
I think others helped Brady out there...Think the point is one-on-one. Did you not watch Drew send Tom home with tail between his legs last week? Without the rest of the Patriots around him Tommy looked pretty pedestrian...
Drew did that?
Also, outside of Sunday Tom has been good so far this year. Far better than Brees.
And yet again, the facts show you’re far wrong.
Including his two beatdowns of Brady head-to-head, Brees again leads the entire NFL in completion percentage for the 2020 season -- 74 percent to Brady’s 65. Brees also leads Brady in passer rating -- 110.3 to 96.2 -- and Brees leads Brady in yards per pass attempt -- 7.4 to 6.9.
Brady does lead Brees by 41 inches in yards per game -- 266.4 to 265, thanks to the Saints calling off the Brees in blowouts, like against Brady’s Bucs.
And Brady does lead Brees by a long shot in throwing interceptions, 7 to 3. Too bad for you Drew has thrown just a few.
Oh, and yes, Brees and the Saints lead Brady and the Bucs in their shared division, thanks to already posting a lopsided 2020 season sweep. By far.
Oh, so now you’re running a reverse, saying that Brady really didn’t do it all by his little old self? Saying that he actually did need superior management, coaching, protection, receivers and a defense that didn’t give up more points than he could ever score …
… as opposed to his full face-plant that everyone saw against Brees and the Saints on Sunday night, the encore of their one-sided season opener?
So, then, just why do Brady’s favored “teams” suddenly collapse when Brees just happens to be standing on the other side? Not that throwing three picks vs. four touchdown passes would have anything to do with it.
If, as you insist, being a quarterback is more than “slingin' it,” then you mean Brady is more cerebral than Brees? More of a leader? More vocal? More exemplary? He takes better charge in pregame preps? He studies more? He works more on sidelines? He reads better? He does more for his communities?
I say bull.
If Brady is so clutch, then show exactly what he’s done better than Brees besides going along for team rides? Anything that his whole team didn’t give him?
Fact is, in their NFL careers, Brees has a better passer rating -- 98.7 to 97. Close, but in career playoff games, Brees is at 99.6, while Brady lags at 89.8. Ouch.
Brees has proven 10 points better than Brady in postseason play … 9.8 to be precise. So, in fact, Brees has performed substantially better than Brady in the “biggest” games, meaning their teammates have made the actual difference.
So, again, just how and when is Brady better … without a helluva lot more help?
I hate to tell you and @nat100 that neither of you are going to be counted as experts when it comes to determining who's the greatest of all time. Why don't you just be satisfied with your own internal belief and let each other believe what you will?
On one side. I’ve stated facts on actual performance. Postseason. Career. Head to head.
Drew Brees tops everyone ever.
Absurd? The wives? You mean, blonde vs. bluto? (Actually the best pass either ever made.)
Hey, Brees even has cooler kids. Three brothers fighting on the Pro Bowl sidelines? Priceless. Top that, Tom Thumb.
It’s bad enough having to listen to mindless iu-intern-fed parrots air raves on Brady and try to bash Brees -- broadcast booths echo ignorance; that “weak arm” will be the first to 80,000 yards -- but that crap will never be accepted on a Boiler board.
People can go kiss Brady’s hype-padded butt elsewhere, especially in the days after he just gagged and “blue” chunks, head to head. Facts are facts, and Drew tops all in the record books. Trying to claim otherwise is just so incredibly loosier, shameful for any purported Purdue product.
More wins than any other qb
More post season wins that any qb
9 straight conference championships
6 Super Bowl wins
More mvps ( 3 v 0)
More all pro seasons (3-1)
Who donates more money to his university or to the city he live in? No contest, Drew is the greatest.
Right now, it'd be Zander Horvath.
Actually, I've got to tip my cap to anyone who's ever played the position. Shortest life expectancy for NFL careers. So many greats, so little time. Frank Gore deserves worship playing at 37.
Mommas, don't let your babies grow up to be running backs.
BornBoiler still likes to iist per game stats. He doesn't think things like Super Bowl rings are that important.
Definitely the kid who ran for like 20,000 yards against D1 class high school players last year who got a walk on shot at iu. Can't remember his name, but he's the GOAT.
Repeating from above, for anyone else failing to read, in career playoff games, Brees has a passer rating of 99.6, while Brady lags at 89.8, proving that Brady has had to rely more on his teammates’ performances in postseason.
Put that in your rings and smoke it.
This is a perfect example where people get to talking over and around each other on this forum. (We've all been guilty of it.)
You have a point: Super Bowl Rings are important.
There's also the accurate and valid point that SB rings aren't the defining factor, and all evidence, stats and information should be considered.
Totally disagree. QB is the most important position on the field, by a long stretch.
The fact that Brady has 6 SB rings, regardless of his coach, system, or teammates, means that he made a ton of good plays when he need to and he limited the number of mistakes in crucial games.
SB rings are the ultimate prize.
It's the same reason I have the Masters on my computer right now during the work day. I don't do that with any other tournament. Not that other majors don't matter, but to be the greatest, you gotta win the Masters.
Augusta is the greatest. Walked it a couple times with my dad, who as a kid caddied for Gene Sarazen, then visited his bridge. World’s biggest and best garden. Perfect landscape everywhere.
Phil, Tiger, Bernhard all high on the leaderboard … put them with Brees and Brady, and it just goes to show “old men” can still make ’em cry “It’s in the hole!”
