Does CMP......

[typeviic]

hope, pray, gamble on role players and supporting cast (the bench) to show up next season so Smith, Loyer, and TKR can have a great season with FF potential? Or, does he say "screw it, I'm going to the portal for 1 or 2 guys because these 3 seniors deserve it and I dont want to waste their final year on a gamble".

 

[qazplm]

hope, pray, gamble on role players and supporting cast (the bench) to show up next season so Smith, Loyer, and TKR can have a great season with FF potential? Or, does he say "screw it, I'm going to the portal for 1 or 2 guys because these 3 seniors deserve it and I dont want to waste their final year on a gamble".

It's interesting because when asked about the lack of bench scoring his response has been pretty nonplussed and saying well you want your best players taking most of the shots.

He needs more talent on this team. There's one or two guys out there that won't mess up team chemistry and can give you a little burst here or there so the big three can have an off day now and then.

 

[Wolegib]

i thought Harris, Myles, Heide Burgess and the like were all supposed to be awesome players with some posters here claiming Myles and harris would be early entries into the NBA. Most players who are early entrants into the NBA actually start and star as freshmen. our players have not.

and now you want Painter to go after Portal players who are more talented? the definition of a portal player is either he couldn't break into the starting lineup of his current team and transfers for a chance to play. or he transfers because he wants more $$$$$$. if TKR< , loyer and Smith all stay there isn't going to be any NIL money left to give to some big portal star. and even if a portal player came to purdue, it would be as a complementary player. No portal player is going to start over smith and loyer or TKr. so what position do you want to acquire a portal player to play ? center / we have Jacobson coming back. he's probably better than any portal player would be.

So did you want a portal player to play the three ? With Painter, you know that he won't put a small forward into the three position. so it's going to have to be another guard. and we already have West coming next year and another guard the following year. so adding another portal guard seems kind of dumb.


playing the portal is not the answer. playing some defense is the answer.

 

[qazplm]

i thought Harris, Myles, Heide Burgess and the like were all supposed to be awesome players with some posters here claiming Myles and harris would be early entries into the NBA. Most players who are early entrants into the NBA actually start and star as freshmen. our players have not.

and now you want Painter to go after Portal players who are more talented? the definition of a portal player is either he couldn't break into the starting lineup of his current team and transfers for a chance to play. or he transfers because he wants more $$$$$$. if TKR< , loyer and Smith all stay there isn't going to be any NIL money left to give to some big portal star. and even if a portal player came to purdue, it would be as a complementary player. No portal player is going to start over smith and loyer or TKr. so what position do you want to acquire a portal player to play ? center / we have Jacobson coming back. he's probably better than any portal player would be.

So did you want a portal player to play the three ? With Painter, you know that he won't put a small forward into the three position. so it's going to have to be another guard. and we already have West coming next year and another guard the following year. so adding another portal guard seems kind of dumb.


playing the portal is not the answer. playing some defense is the answer.

Wisconsin played the portal, how are they doing right now?

Is Gard somehow better than Painter? I don't think so.

If course you can play the portal. And you can be very good doing it. Look at the team that just kicked our ass at home as exhibit A.

 

[MetMyWifeAtHarrys]

Many of our second and third tier players just have not panned out as hoped or planned. I don't think CMP could argue if pressed.

That's ok, I think this happens all over the NCAA...so yeah, I think the portal is a good option to look into for next year instead of just hoping we get some significant turnaround from role players during Braden and TKRs last year.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Wisconsin played the portal, how are they doing right now?

Is Gard somehow better than Painter? I don't think so.

If course you can play the portal. And you can be very good doing it. Look at the team that just kicked our ass at home as exhibit A.

I follow you. Although Wisconsin also lost three rotational guys (two of whom were starters) to the portal - Storr, Hepburn, and Essegian.

It will be an evolving process for Painter I think, but we will know more.....in a couple of months.

I'm a dinosaur trying to get used to the volatility - don't think I will completely, but that's okay for me.

 

[qazplm]

I follow you. Although Wisconsin also lost three rotational guys (two of which were starters) to the portal - Storr, Hepburn, and Essegian.

It will be an evolving process for Painter I think, but we will know more.....in a couple of months.

I'm a dinosaur trying to get used to the volatility - don't think I will completely, but that's okay for me.

I just don't see the portal as anything but a resource. You can hit or miss with high school kids too. You will hit or miss with the portal.

If we trust Painter with the former, why do folks struggle to trust him with the latter. And maybe the better question is why doesn't he trust himself more.

It's not like we've had a string of portal disasters. This team isn't a finished perfectly balanced product.

 

[Boiler Buck]

hope, pray, gamble on role players and supporting cast (the bench) to show up next season so Smith, Loyer, and TKR can have a great season with FF potential? Or, does he say "screw it, I'm going to the portal for 1 or 2 guys because these 3 seniors deserve it and I dont want to waste their final year on a gamble".

No question more talent is needed for Purdue.

But today, congrats to W, great coach, team.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I just don't see the portal as anything but a resource. You can hit or miss with high school kids too. You will hit or miss with the portal.

If we trust Painter with the former, why do folks struggle to trust him with the latter. And maybe the better question is why doesn't he trust himself more.

It's not like we've had a string of portal disasters. This team isn't a finished perfectly balanced product.

Oh I get that, qazplm - not totally disagreeing with you. But Painter has said what his preference is, and in part it depends upon whether or not guys leave. I think one difference is with recruits, you generally have more time to develop the relationship and find out if it's the right fit (including right personality type), which Painter emphasizes.

It also takes time with Painter's system - they run a LOT of plays (or better put, have a lot of action tangents), and the defense is probably more complicated than others just because it relies on connectivity, and guys knowing it inside and out. Not to say that can't be learned quicker with some.....but it's perhaps a crash course for some. You also have to have trust from the players - both ways.

I also maybe am in the minority thinking Painter also prioritizes the chemistry with the current team.....so if he makes a move, he maybe is more risk averse toward disrupting the positive stuff he has going.....but absolutely if a guy is available that he knows the game and fit and thinks he would make the team better, he's shown he's not opposed to it.

Again - I agree it's a resource, but to me, it's not just a plug and play situation. Now, it worked fabulously with Lance Jones, no doubt.

JMHO

 

[qazplm]

Oh I get that, qazplm - not totally disagreeing with you. But Painter has said what his preference is, and in part it depends upon whether or not guys leave. I think one difference is with recruits, you generally have more time to develop the relationship and find out if it's the right fit (including right personality type), which Painter emphasizes.

It also takes time with Painter's system - they run a LOT of plays (or better put, have a lot of action tangents), and the defense is probably more complicated than others just because it relies on connectivity, and guys knowing it inside and out. Not to say that can't be learned quicker with some.....but it's perhaps a crash course for some. You also have to have trust from the players - both ways.

I also maybe am in the minority thinking Painter also prioritizes the chemistry with the current team.....so if he makes a move, he maybe is more risk averse toward disrupting the positive stuff he has going.....but absolutely if a guy is available that he knows the game and fit and thinks he would make the team better, he's shown he's not opposed to it.

Again - I agree it's a resource, but to me, it's not just a plug and play situation. Now, it worked fabulously with Lance Jones, no doubt.

JMHO

What we have now has real holes. That's not going to be fixed with time because our three best players each have one season left.

Jones was literally plug and play. He figured it out. I don't think he was a unicorn. That's the plus part of the portal, you get older players who know some stuff. We can both name a half a dozen other players last year who were portal players who would have instantly made this team better last season.

We also have a freshman who's started half the season and he figured it out. It's doable. You obviously need to scout and research and yeah it's going to be a risk but again no one is even suggesting we go out and replace a starter.

Jacobsen is going to take Fursts spot. The other four are starting regardless. So we are talking about role players. The risk of missing is a lot less there.

 

[Boiler Buck]

What we have now has real holes. That's not going to be fixed with time because our three best players each have one season left.

Jones was literally plug and play. He figured it out. I don't think he was a unicorn. That's the plus part of the portal, you get older players who know some stuff. We can both name a half a dozen other players last year who were portal players who would have instantly made this team better last season.

We also have a freshman who's started half the season and he figured it out. It's doable. You obviously need to scout and research and yeah it's going to be a risk but again no one is even suggesting we go out and replace a starter.

Jacobsen is going to take Fursts spot. The other four are starting regardless. So we are talking about role players. The risk of missing is a lot less there.

Agree.

I think Alabama has 7 guys with 20+ point games this year. Purdue has, 5 maybe, but only 3 are consistent threats

Team severely needs more starter talent.

Might, maybe get one in Jacobsen? But need more than that.....and no one knows if he can last a season.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

What we have now has real holes. That's not going to be fixed with time because our three best players each have one season left.

Jones was literally plug and play. He figured it out. I don't think he was a unicorn. That's the plus part of the portal, you get older players who know some stuff. We can both name a half a dozen other players last year who were portal players who would have instantly made this team better last season.

We also have a freshman who's started half the season and he figured it out. It's doable. You obviously need to scout and research and yeah it's going to be a risk but again no one is even suggesting we go out and replace a starter.

Jacobsen is going to take Fursts spot. The other four are starting regardless. So we are talking about role players. The risk of missing is a lot less there.

I think we're talking past each other....haha. I could see Purdue adding one or two players. Then you have Jacobson, Benter, and West.

But who knows for sure?

Worn out today.

 

[HUD628]

I doubt it. Heck, today you got 5 made threes from your bench. The loss today had literally nothing to do with the supporting cast not being a threat. They just got completely smoked on defense and a lot of that was your best player and favorite for both POY and DPOY. Next year will be about having Jacobsen back to protect the rim and a year more mature Cox, Harris, Colvin, and Heide.

 

[qazplm]

Agree.

I think Alabama has 7 guys with 20+ point games this year. Purdue has, 5 maybe, but only 3 are consistent threats

Team severely needs more starter talent.

Might, maybe get one in Jacobsen? But need more than that.....and no one knows if he can last a season.

I'm going to assume he starts and plays all year. I'm even going to assume he gives us say 10 and 5.

There are still going to be games where he doesn't have it or is in foul trouble. And we have one guy behind him and TKR for depth.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I'm going to assume he starts and plays all year. I'm even going to assume he gives us say 10 and 5.

There are still going to be games where he doesn't have it or is in foul trouble. And we have one guy behind him and TKR for depth.

Go get 2-3 guys and see if they can beat out the returners. Gotta go all in for next year IMO

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

i thought Harris, Myles, Heide Burgess and the like were all supposed to be awesome players with some posters here claiming Myles and harris would be early entries into the NBA. Most players who are early entrants into the NBA actually start and star as freshmen. our players have not.

and now you want Painter to go after Portal players who are more talented? the definition of a portal player is either he couldn't break into the starting lineup of his current team and transfers for a chance to play. or he transfers because he wants more $$$$$$. if TKR< , loyer and Smith all stay there isn't going to be any NIL money left to give to some big portal star. and even if a portal player came to purdue, it would be as a complementary player. No portal player is going to start over smith and loyer or TKr. so what position do you want to acquire a portal player to play ? center / we have Jacobson coming back. he's probably better than any portal player would be.

So did you want a portal player to play the three ? With Painter, you know that he won't put a small forward into the three position. so it's going to have to be another guard. and we already have West coming next year and another guard the following year. so adding another portal guard seems kind of dumb.


playing the portal is not the answer. playing some defense is the answer.

Purdue will be able to pay all 3 and go get whomever they want

 

[qazplm]

Go get 2-3 guys and see if they can beat out the returners. Gotta go all in for next year IMO

We both know Paint ain't bringing in 3 portal players

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

We both know Paint ain't bringing in 3 portal players

That’s why I said 2-3 😂

 

[BoilerNGold013]

The white knights on here think that we are good as is. Maybe they are right. But Painter would be a fool not to work with the NIL to at least survey the market and make competitive offers to maximize a national title run next year. If there are no good fits per what Painter wants then that is fine. Its his team and he will live with the results. But the team for next year can always be improved.

I personally hope at a minimum to get a high level 5 to split minutes with DJ or be a high level back up.

 

[purduedavie]

hope, pray, gamble on role players and supporting cast (the bench) to show up next season so Smith, Loyer, and TKR can have a great season with FF potential? Or, does he say "screw it, I'm going to the portal for 1 or 2 guys because these 3 seniors deserve it and I dont want to waste their final year on a gamble".

He’ll bring in someone, maybe a grad transfer, he needs to.

 

[02BoilerUp]

That’s why I said 2-3 😂

But preferably 3! 😂

 

[purduedavie]

We both know Paint ain't bringing in 3 portal players

No, for sure 1 that is plug and play and possible a depth piece off the bench, no more than 2, likely 1 unless 2-3 players leave besides the graduating Furst which is possible. My guess is Berg and Waddell likely are finished at Purdue, question is does 1 of Colvin or Heide leave?

 

[seminolesboilers]

I raised this concern recently about the talent on the current roster…after today’s loss…it appears others are seeing the same thing.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

No, for sure 1 that is plug and play and possible a depth piece off the bench, no more than 2, likely 1 unless 2-3 players leave besides the graduating Furst which is possible. My guess is Berg and Waddell likely are finished at Purdue, question is does 1 of Colvin or Heide leave?

We can add 2 no matter what with Furst leaving since scholarships go from 13->15. I’d assume berg transfers, not sure why he’d stay.

Colvin would surprise me if he leaves and same with Heide.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I raised this concern about the talent on the current roster recently….after today’s loss…it appears others are seeing the same thing.

I think it’s tough when our big 3 plays a ton of mins. Smith has sat a total of 40 mins over the last 17 games. He’s exhausted out there and needs some help.

 

[purduedavie]

We can add 2 no matter what with Furst leaving since scholarships go from 13->15. I’d assume berg transfers, not sure why he’d stay.

Colvin would surprise me if he leaves and same with Heide.

Yea, it’s still possible one leaves though, I doubt both, up in the air. I hope Waddell goes down a level and hits another year of schooling and gets some time, guessing he’d be a real nice player at a Valpo. As for Berg, his future isn’t in West Lafayette, Painter probably sees him as too slow afoot to guard, no doubt he can be a decent player at a smaller school.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Yea, it’s still possible one leaves though, I doubt both, up in the air. I hope Waddell goes down a level and hits another year of schooling and gets some time, guessing he’d be a real nice player at a Valpo. As for Berg, his future isn’t in West Lafayette, Painter probably sees him as too slow afoot to guard, no doubt he can be a decent player at a smaller school.

Waddell could move closer to Louisville to be closer to his gf. He prob has his degree so he could go somewhere around there for grad school.

 

[A. Ness]

i thought Harris, Myles, Heide Burgess and the like were all supposed to be awesome players with some posters here claiming Myles and harris would be early entries into the NBA. Most players who are early entrants into the NBA actually start and star as freshmen. our players have not.

and now you want Painter to go after Portal players who are more talented? the definition of a portal player is either he couldn't break into the starting lineup of his current team and transfers for a chance to play. or he transfers because he wants more $$$$$$. if TKR< , loyer and Smith all stay there isn't going to be any NIL money left to give to some big portal star. and even if a portal player came to purdue, it would be as a complementary player. No portal player is going to start over smith and loyer or TKr. so what position do you want to acquire a portal player to play ? center / we have Jacobson coming back. he's probably better than any portal player would be.

So did you want a portal player to play the three ? With Painter, you know that he won't put a small forward into the three position. so it's going to have to be another guard. and we already have West coming next year and another guard the following year. so adding another portal guard seems kind of dumb.


playing the portal is not the answer. playing some defense is the answer.

Furst was Mr Indiana. Furst wasn't a transfer. Furst can't play basketball. Seems you shouldn't recruit high-school players based on this information.

 

[Baritter]

i thought Harris, Myles, Heide Burgess and the like were all supposed to be awesome players with some posters here claiming Myles and harris would be early entries into the NBA. Most players who are early entrants into the NBA actually start and star as freshmen. our players have not.

and now you want Painter to go after Portal players who are more talented? the definition of a portal player is either he couldn't break into the starting lineup of his current team and transfers for a chance to play. or he transfers because he wants more $$$$$$. if TKR< , loyer and Smith all stay there isn't going to be any NIL money left to give to some big portal star. and even if a portal player came to purdue, it would be as a complementary player. No portal player is going to start over smith and loyer or TKr. so what position do you want to acquire a portal player to play ? center / we have Jacobson coming back. he's probably better than any portal player would be.

So did you want a portal player to play the three ? With Painter, you know that he won't put a small forward into the three position. so it's going to have to be another guard. and we already have West coming next year and another guard the following year. so adding another portal guard seems kind of dumb.


playing the portal is not the answer. playing some defense is the answer.

That’s the problem, he needs a 6’7, or 6’8” forward, and get away from that 3 guard offense. Especially when we are playing so many teams with two seven footers. Are guards can’t rebound or guard them.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

That’s the problem, he needs a 6’7, or 6’8” forward, and get away from that 3 guard offense. Especially when we are playing so many teams with two seven footers. Are guards can’t rebound or guard them.

The teams all have 7 footers because we had a 7’4 NPOTYx2.

They had to counter us and now we are having to deal with the leftovers haha

 

[New Pal Boiler]

That’s the problem, he needs a 6’7, or 6’8” forward, and get away from that 3 guard offense. Especially when we are playing so many teams with two seven footers. Are guards can’t rebound or guard them.

We do need a stretch 4. The next Rob or Vince. Thought it could have been Sisley, but oh well.

 

[jdbrees922]

If we’re being honest. We give nothing but praise to Braden and he deserves it. BUT today he looked tired , weak and uninspired. I was shocked because this is Braden Smith But he was torched on defense and his shooting was no where to be found. He deserves a pass cause it’s 1 game but we can’t have our best player play like that

 

[New Pal Boiler]

If we’re being honest. We give nothing but praise to Braden and he deserves it. BUT today he looked tired , weak and uninspired. I was shocked because this is Braden Smith But he was torched on defense and his shooting was no where to be found. He deserves a pass cause it’s 1 game but we can’t have our best player play like that

I think he needs to be playing 30 minutes a game until the NCAAs.

 

[Boileratthebeach]

I think he needs to be playing 30 minutes a game until the NCAAs.

The offense when he is out is not even close to the same. If we have a comfortable lead then agreed he should be resting.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I think he needs to be playing 30 minutes a game until the NCAAs.

He has played 640 mins out of 680 mins since Maryland game.

Not sure how we only play him 30 a game but I agree. He needs a break.

 

[tjreese]

I just don't see the portal as anything but a resource. You can hit or miss with high school kids too. You will hit or miss with the portal.

If we trust Painter with the former, why do folks struggle to trust him with the latter. And maybe the better question is why doesn't he trust himself more.

It's not like we've had a string of portal disasters. This team isn't a finished perfectly balanced product.

I don't follow the trust because I have no idea what he will do and better yet what he sees and believes which might be different than a trust issue. That said, I can see him adding a piece of two, but he will determine that at the end of the season when he knows better what he has. We don't know anything relative to Benter and Jacobsen' current play assuming Jacobsen is now practicing. I think a five is definitely in play. Braden spent a lot of time in the gym last summer and it appears Trey and Fletcher did as well. Most believed Purdue would be a good shooting team behind the arc, but the hope that Myles and CAm would be additional shooter,s typically were not. Obviously it brings to question if their work was on skill or mostly body.

With all the negative of yesterday's game, it was good to see Cam and Myles drive the ball some which was probably encouraged by Matt to try to get into bonus and slow the clock. Both hit behind the arc. Had they performed as expected Purdue would probably only look for a 5...and that may well be the case. I would prefer the 5 be a starting type player and bring Jacobsen's along a bit slower where he gets the rust off and adjusts to the physical play in Feb some time. A four man is more in the flux I believe since Purdue has Trey and Cam that "could" work on his ball handling shooting more on the move...

 

[pubill]

I don't follow the trust because I have no idea what he will do and better yet what he sees and believes which might be different than a trust issue. That said, I can see him adding a piece of two, but he will determine that at the end of the season when he knows better what he has. We don't know anything relative to Benter and Jacobsen' current play assuming Jacobsen is now practicing. I think a five is definitely in play. Braden spent a lot of time in the gym last summer and it appears Trey and Fletcher did as well. Most believed Purdue would be a good shooting team behind the arc, but the hope that Myles and CAm would be additional shooter,s typically were not. Obviously it brings to question if their work was on skill or mostly body.

With all the negative of yesterday's game, it was good to see Cam and Myles drive the ball some which was probably encouraged by Matt to try to get into bonus and slow the clock. Both hit behind the arc. Had they performed as expected Purdue would probably only look for a 5...and that may well be the case. I would prefer the 5 be a starting type player and bring Jacobsen's along a bit slower where he gets the rust off and adjusts to the physical play in Feb some time. A four man is more in the flux I believe since Purdue has Trey and Cam that "could" work on his ball handling shooting more on the move...

Matt is NEVER going to bring in a transfer and pay him more than they pay Braden and TKR , so that limits greatly the type of player you can get in the transfer pool greatly, in the current climate. I can understand this , how do u think players will feel if someone comes in from outside and gets more than they do. Braden, TKR and to some extent Loyer has earned additional $$, someone from a MAC school, would not help our team dynamics and believe Matt is opposed to playing that game.

 

[purduedavie]

Matt is NEVER going to bring in a transfer and pay him more than they pay Braden and TKR , so that limits greatly the type of player you can get in the transfer pool greatly, in the current climate. I can understand this , how do u think players will feel if someone comes in from outside and gets more than they do. Braden, TKR and to some extent Loyer has earned additional $$, someone from a MAC school, would not help our team dynamics and believe Matt is opposed to playing that game.

I actually think a Lance Jones type would help, he came from Southern Illinois. That Wisconsin kid is from Colorado State, hardly a power. Guessing Purdue loses a few players, 1 likely 2 are brought in, a PG capable of spelling Bradon wouldn’t hurt.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

As much as people are screaming for brining in a 1/2 guard type next year - I’d be all in on bringing in a versatile 4 who can score and create at all 3 levels. That is what this team is missing. We haven’t had one of those since Vince Edwards.

I have been impressed with the development of Cox and Harris and think when we start running more action designed for them - they will have no problem stepping up.

As much as we are in panic mode - the last time we lost back to back games against ranked teams - we won 7 straight.

 

[tjreese]

Matt is NEVER going to bring in a transfer and pay him more than they pay Braden and TKR , so that limits greatly the type of player you can get in the transfer pool greatly, in the current climate. I can understand this , how do u think players will feel if someone comes in from outside and gets more than they do. Braden, TKR and to some extent Loyer has earned additional $$, someone from a MAC school, would not help our team dynamics and believe Matt is opposed to playing that game.

I get all that and pay was never mentioned. There will be some 5s that could start and not require the money the three get. Just as an example would be the center for Penn State should he wish to leave. UCLA Mora could find success as well...Illinois Johnson Jr. would be another. Not saying it has to be those three, but if they wanted to leave I'm sure they would do so with less money than the three merit. I agree with team dynamics as a potential powder keg overall, but Purdue can inquire a bit and some players might like to get on a team that could make some noise...and a team that historically been friendly to a 5 man. One player new to the culture has less clout than several players brought in...