DO NOT CONSIDER MATCHING UP!

[mediaexpert]

Coach Painter, you are doing a great job in all areas except how you use Haas.

We need Haas to start. We need to take away their long jump shots and force them to drive into Haas, who will he sloughing off to the middle. If Haas comes to jump out on the pick; he stays outside unless his player rolls to the basket. No big deal as during that time VE or Biggie will be there sloughing off for the drives.

On O, we double post. Neither Vermont or Iowa St can stop the double post. We are too big and strong underneath. When they double or go into a zone, the 3 is open and we have 7 players who can hit the 3 and 1 will be wide open.

If they start hitting 3’s, it is okay change who you are guarding. Please do not panic and go small to match up. This is fine short term, but it does not work long term. In doing so, we lost our big rebound advantage and allowed put backs. We also got away from working the ball down low.

Coach Painter, I hope you have a bit of Prince Machiavelli in you and this has been your plan all along. If it is it is genius and should mean Final Four.

 

[dumpsterFyre]

That was Painter's critique of himself after the UALR loss. We have the shooters now to punish them on the open looks if they give it to us.

 

[depthcharge623]

The UALR coach laughed at us for trying to match up with them. We need to play OUR game tomorrow!

 

[FirstDownB]

With only 3 forwards, there's only so much flexibility. I think we are going to see similar lineup allocations as we have seen all season.

 

[Dakota Girl]

With only 3 forwards, there's only so much flexibility. I think we are going to see similar lineup allocations as we have seen all season.

Yep. No reason to change. There will be a mix of single post and double post and he will play more of whichever is working best. That's usually more single post.

 

[mediaexpert]

That was Painter's critique of himself after the UALR loss. We have the shooters now to punish them on the open looks if they give it to us.

Exactly. And then this season, we almost stopped using Haas. We yanked him from games and posters here were saying we had to match up. Somebody posted that we need to play our 3 big men together and at least 85 minutes per game and I like that.

 

[nagemj02]

Exactly. And then this season, we almost stopped using Haas. We yanked him from games and posters here were saying we had to match up. Somebody posted that we need to play our 3 big men together and at least 85 minutes per game and I like that.

Painter's barely played all three of them at the same time this season. Matt Norlander of CBS Sports College Basketball recently wrote an article about this: http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...ld-send-purdue-on-a-deep-ncaa-tournament-run/

The team can't get enough stops on D when all three of them are in together for any extended amount of time.

 

[mediaexpert]

Coach Painter, you are doing a great job in all areas except how you use Haas.

We need Haas to start. We need to take away their long jump shots and force them to drive into Haas, who will he sloughing off to the middle. If Haas comes to jump out on the pick; he stays outside unless his player rolls to the basket. No big deal as during that time VE or Biggie will be there sloughing off for the drives.

On O, we double post. Neither Vermont or Iowa St can stop the double post. We are too big and strong underneath. When they double or go into a zone, the 3 is open and we have 7 players who can hit the 3 and 1 will be wide open.

If they start hitting 3’s, it is okay change who you are guarding. Please do not panic and go small to match up. This is fine short term, but it does not work long term. In doing so, we lost our big rebound advantage and allowed put backs. We also got away from working the ball down low.

Coach Painter, I hope you have a bit of Prince Machiavelli in you and this has been your plan all along. If it is it is genius and should mean Final Four.

I appreciate Matt Norlander's article, but I highly disagree. First off, he says Wisconsin will win the Big Ten and second that the Haas AJ twin towers failed last year. I was actually in favor of using the twin towers 5-10 minutes a game last year. However, it was never tried in any game for more than 2 minutes. This is getting off topic, but I think AJ was agile enough to play some PF. He too could play the high low and pass down to Haas or out to the wings. He could also hit the jump shot if his man collapses down low or do more what Biggie should do more and fake the pass and drive to the side where Haas is not posted.

The only stats Norlander cites is that we are scoring more this year. I think it is because we are hitting the 3's better. This is key, but teams will figure out to beat us cut off our 3's. It will help when teams decide to press us and it will take longer to set up. However, against this strategy we did do fine in the regular season.

We are now in the Tournament and like the Big Ten Tournament, we need to play more physical and this means dump inside. This means not only a higher FG % (even when we factor in the turnovers), but the 3's will be more open. This year, I did not scout even half the other teams, but I checked out Kansas and Gonzaga and they both use twin towers, as did Kentucky in the past.

 

[lbodel]

Painter's barely played all three of them at the same time this season. Matt Norlander of CBS Sports College Basketball recently wrote an article about this: http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...ld-send-purdue-on-a-deep-ncaa-tournament-run/

The team can't get enough stops on D when all three of them are in together for any extended amount of time.

Thanks for posting that - also don't tell anyone 2 of our 3 most efficient line-ups don't include Carsen! lol

I think an X factor in all of this is energy. When we're subbing in guys that are fresh in the front court, it can be a nightmare for most teams because quality depth in a front court is not common. One thing we saw last year was Haas would get gassed - he's not only in better shape, but I think this rotation has kept them fresher (and the fouls you see on Haas can be a sign of fatigue).

I would guess that Vermont is going to double these guys and force us to hit 3s before they make changes.

But you also have to factor in defense, as you mentioned. One of ESPN's keys for Purdue in the tournament: "Purdue's secret weapon may be its ability to limit free throw attempts."

This is a major factor to winning games in postseason. It's not going to do it on its own, particularly if a team hitting 3s, but last thing we need are Swanigan/Haas in foul trouble AND being inefficient on defense.

 

[mediaexpert]

Thanks for posting that - also don't tell anyone 2 of our 3 most efficient line-ups don't include Carsen! lol
I think an X factor in all of this is energy. When we're subbing in guys that are fresh in the front court, it can be a nightmare for most teams because quality depth in a front court is not common. One thing we saw last year was Haas would get gassed - he's not only in better shape, but I think this rotation has kept them fresher (and the fouls you see on Haas can be a sign of fatigue).
I would guess that Vermont is going to double these guys and force us to hit 3s before they make changes.
But you also have to factor in defense, as you mentioned. One of ESPN's keys for Purdue in the tournament: "Purdue's secret weapon may be its ability to limit free throw attempts."
This is a major factor to winning games in postseason. It's not going to do it on its own, particularly if a team hitting 3s, but last thing we need are Swanigan/Haas in foul trouble AND being inefficient on defense.

VE and Carson are our best players for slashing to the hole. Both are also valuable on breaking a press. I think VE is great at stopping jump shooters and has the experience to slough up to the middle to challenge drives and draw charges. However, one area where Carson has been overlooked is his defense. He really uses his quickness well.

The other keys on D will be PJ and Spike. Both Vermont and Iowa State have great PG's. If they can curtail them, we will win. Dakota has all sorts of well deserved praise for his D and I also notice Cline is well schooled and has surprised me by winning some scrums.

However, you are right. We need Biggie/Haas to control the inside and grab boards.

 

[todd brewster]

Good thread! This has me psyched. If we can follow the game plan, this may be our year! Final Four at the very least, but I think we WILL be in the Championship game.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Haas has to score to stay in. He does not need to score as much as his guy....but he needs to be a factor. Sometimes he is the ONLY scoring factor for our team when things bog down....and in these rare times, even when his guy is hitting 2-3 threes, he needs to stay in. This is the only time I get nuts watching games, when Haas is going off and is the ONLY effective offense against a team, and is taken out just because he lets a guy loose once or twice.....and then after he is on the bench, we go on a scoring drought because the only thing working offensively, is sitting.

 

[lbodel]

VE and Carson are our best players for slashing to the hole. Both are also valuable on breaking a press. I think VE is great at stopping jump shooters and has the experience to slough up to the middle to challenge drives and draw charges. However, one area where Carson has been overlooked is his defense. He really uses his quickness well.

The other keys on D will be PJ and Spike. Both Vermont and Iowa State have great PG's. If they can curtail them, we will win. Dakota has all sorts of well deserved praise for his D and I also notice Cline is well schooled and has surprised me by winning some scrums.

However, you are right. We need Biggie/Haas to control the inside and grab boards.

Another challenging thing with this game is that Vermont doesn't necessarily have a go-to player or two. They are a pretty balanced team and like us, share the ball very well - there's not one guy to stop. So it's going to be a team effort. It can be frustrating when you try to shut down their in-theory leading scorer and pass it off to another guy who can score as well. They have at least 4 of those guys in their starters.

 

[mediaexpert]

Coach Painter, you are doing a great job in all areas except how you use Haas.
We need Haas to start. We need to take away their long jump shots and force them to drive into Haas, who will he sloughing off to the middle. If Haas comes to jump out on the pick; he stays outside unless his player rolls to the basket. No big deal as during that time VE or Biggie will be there sloughing off for the drives.
On O, we double post. Neither Vermont or Iowa St can stop the double post. We are too big and strong underneath. When they double or go into a zone, the 3 is open and we have 7 players who can hit the 3 and 1 will be wide open.
If they start hitting 3’s, it is okay change who you are guarding. Please do not panic and go small to match up. This is fine short term, but it does not work long term. In doing so, we lost our big rebound advantage and allowed put backs. We also got away from working the ball down low.
Coach Painter, I hope you have a bit of Prince Machiavelli in you and this has been your plan all along. If it is it is genius and should mean Final Four.

I almost came through the TV to choke those idiot commentators who were urging us to go small. The second half line up of Biggie, Vince and Haas together won the game. We overcame them physically and tired them out. We also drew some fouls on their big men especially Lamb. We got a nice lead even though they had some unexpected (for them) shots. We got them out of their rhythm and even after when Haas went out they took a long while to get it back.

We need to start the game like that to get Iowa State out of any offensive rhythm. By the way, as I said Carson's D has picked up and kudos for disturbing their PG. Also kudos to Matt for getting Purdue to change how their passes down to the post. We had far too many tipped in the first half and the change made a big difference.

Funny how Haas had about 3 blocks and they gave him only 1. BTW, maybe I am too old, but when Haas has the ball with two hands and his elbows out and he turns with the body and hooks the defender why is that called a foul? With the extended arm then yes definitely, but to me it is questionable with one elbow, but I was taught it never is with both elbows together unless they are swinging, which they definitely weren't.

 

[mediaexpert]

I almost came through the TV to choke those idiot commentators who were urging us to go small. The second half line up of Biggie, Vince and Haas together won the game. We overcame them physically and tired them out. We also drew some fouls on their big men especially Lamb. We got a nice lead even though they had some unexpected (for them) shots. We got them out of their rhythm and even after when Haas went out they took a long while to get it back.
We need to start the game like that to get Iowa State out of any offensive rhythm. By the way, as I said Carson's D has picked up and kudos for disturbing their PG. Also kudos to Matt for getting Purdue to change how their passes down to the post. We had far too many tipped in the first half and the change made a big difference.
Funny how Haas had about 3 blocks and they gave him only 1. BTW, maybe I am too old, but when Haas has the ball with two hands and his elbows out and he turns with the body and hooks the defender why is that called a foul? With the extended arm then yes definitely, but to me it is questionable with one elbow, but I was taught it never is with both elbows together unless they are swinging, which they definitely weren't.

I am glad Matt did not listen to experts and played Haas in the first half when we took control of the game. When Haas teams up with Biggie and Vincent, we can guard the 3 pointer, because he have intimidation and a rebounder under. Iowa State did not get any O rebounds and shot poorly from 3.