Commentator “Purdue has suffered for playing Notre dame”

[BCfanatic2020]

Argument for: we’d be 7-2 if we had played any G5 team USA .. we’d be ranked higher, and perception matters… we’d probably have stayed ranked both after the Wisconsin loss and if we lose this one.

argument against: some weird fascination for going for extra credit when we will end up playing THREE top 5 teams in our disgustingly loaded conference and how many other ranked teams in conference?

 

[FirstDownB]

We are basically the only team that plays 11 P5 opponents. I'd agree that Purdue sees little to no competitive benefit from doing so.

 

[Level 42]

We are basically the only team that plays 11 P5 opponents. I'd agree that Purdue sees little to no competitive benefit from doing so.

Agree and it causes the reversible jacket crowd to be here way too much. That is reason enough to end the series.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Agree and it causes the reversible jacket crowd to be here way too much. That is reason enough to end the series.

I mean and the thing with the drum was about as much of a revenge of the nerds nerds in paradise move as you can make…

 

[Riveting]

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Argument for: we’d be 7-2 if we had played any G5 team USA .. we’d be ranked higher, and perception matters… we’d probably have stayed ranked both after the Wisconsin loss and if we lose this one.

argument against: some weird fascination for going for extra credit when we will end up playing THREE top 5 teams in our disgustingly loaded conference and how many other ranked teams in conference?

Realistically, Iowa was not truly a top 5 team, nor was msu .

It seems that the portal works to even out cfb in that top teams cannot horde so many guys who, by transferring, make other teams stronger and their original teams weaker by reducing depth. That is likely not an original thought, but that is how it looks.

 

[pulax78]

Interesting discussion, worth listening to all the way through.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Interesting discussion, worth listening to all the way through.

Yeah their analysis was great.. I actually think we can cheat to cover the pass on the RPO because I think our defense can track the runner with the safeties in coverage. I think the success other teams have had with RPO concepts has explanations

 

[C'ville Boiler]

I like playing Notre Dame and if a team like Purdue has playoff aspirations then you have to have non conference games like ND. You can’t just expect every year that you’re going to play three top 5 teams in conference because it probably isn’t going to happen. We don’t play Ohio State, Michigan State or Michigan every year

 

[PaBoiler78]

I like playing Notre Dame and if a team like Purdue has playoff aspirations then you have to have non conference games like ND. You can’t just expect every year that you’re going to play three top 5 teams in conference because it probably isn’t going to happen. We don’t play Ohio State, Michigan State or Michigan every year

not only this but say we played Miami(OH) instead of nd , yeah we'd be 7-2 but would be more of a paper tiger. If we'd beat Minny (like we should have) we'd be also be 7-2.

 

[TC4THREE]

I'm a fan of playing P5 competition. I just no longer care if ND is one of them. I actually prefer if the whole Big Ten just stopped playing them.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I like playing Notre Dame and if a team like Purdue has playoff aspirations then you have to have non conference games like ND. You can’t just expect every year that you’re going to play three top 5 teams in conference because it probably isn’t going to happen. We don’t play Ohio State, Michigan State or Michigan every year

This is kinda like “if michael Jordan never played with Scottie pippen ..” well are you replacing pippen with another star or with my dad?

We don’t play Ohio state next year. We do play penn state. Big ten money has made it such that the conference is murderers row. Don’t act like us not playing Ohio state next year means they are replaced with some also ran.

And If you are Gonna play ND, then schedule Miami of Ohio instead of Oregon state

 

[FirstDownB]

not only this but say we played Miami(OH) instead of nd , yeah we'd be 7-2 but would be more of a paper tiger. If we'd beat Minny (like we should have) we'd be also be 7-2.

And if we'd have beaten Minny and played WKU instead of ND, we'd be 8-1 and in the top 10 with MSU.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

And if we'd have beaten Minny and played WKU instead of ND, we'd be 8-1 and in the top 10 with MSU.

“Be more perfect so I can get warm fuzzies playing a team we always lose to that told us to take our drum and stick it”

 

[Gemini95]

And if we'd have beaten Minny and played WKU instead of ND, we'd be 8-1 and in the top 10 with MSU.

And if my aunt had balls...

 

[C'ville Boiler]

This is kinda like “if michael Jordan never played with Scottie pippen ..” well are you replacing pippen with another star or with my dad?

We don’t play Ohio state next year. We do play penn state. Big ten money has made it such that the conference is murderers row. Don’t act like us not playing Ohio state next year means they are replaced with some also ran.

And If you are Gonna play ND, then schedule Miami of Ohio instead of Oregon state

I do agree that if we play ND then we should balance it out with a lesser team instead of an Oregon State or whoever. We can play guessing games as to who’s going to be good or not next year but I don’t think Penn State is a top 5 team and I doubt Iowa will be either. The likelihood of three top 5 teams or even top 10 teams next year is pretty unlikely and add to that, next years non conference is pretty weak. I like the ND rivalry anyway

 

[BCfanatic2020]

And if my aunt had balls...

This is actually more like if your uncle had balls. Most teams in our tier of p5 don’t play Notre dame and an Oregon stare in one preseason

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I do agree that if we play ND then we should balance it out with a lesser team instead of an Oregon State or whoever. We can play guessing games as to who’s going to be good or not next year but I don’t think Penn State is a top 5 team and I doubt Iowa will be either. The likelihood of three top 5 teams or even top 10 teams next year is pretty unlikely and add to that, next years non conference is pretty weak. I like the ND rivalry anyway

Everything you said starts with your last sentence and works backwards

Straw man - I noted that we played three top 5 teams … the reply became “well what if we don’t … WE NEED those top 5 teams to make the playoffs one day.”

1. lmao .. we are trying to be toilet bowl eligible consistently

2. run the table on the big ten and you’re probably in …

but I feel like if the compromise became “we are gonna play ND OR Oregon state” okay great

 

[Gemini95]

This is actually more like if your uncle had balls. Most teams in our tier of p5 don’t play Notre dame and an Oregon stare in one preseason

if we didn't play ND we would have beaten Minnesota?

 

[C'ville Boiler]

Everything you said starts with your last sentence and works backwards

Straw man - I noted that we played three top 5 teams … the reply became “well what if we don’t … WE NEED those top 5 teams to make the playoffs one day.”

1. lmao .. we are trying to be toilet bowl eligible consistently

2. run the table on the big ten and you’re probably in …

but I feel like if the compromise became “we are gonna play ND OR Oregon state” okay great

I was just laying out scenarios. You just act like a butt hurt prick anytime someone doesn’t agree with you. It’s just for fun and speculation. I’m just talking about what it would probably take for Purdue to have a realistic shot at playoff one day. Why wouldn’t you want that?

 

[Inkjet200]

They have such a dominate record over Purdue, I wouldn't care if the series was ended. It seems like they are doing us a favor whenever they play Purdue.

 

[FirstDownB]

I was just laying out scenarios. You just act like a butt hurt prick anytime someone doesn’t agree with you. It’s just for fun and speculation. I’m just talking about what it would probably take for Purdue to have a realistic shot at playoff one day. Why wouldn’t you want that?

A 'realistic' shot at the CFP for Purdue is getting through the schedule with one loss or less and then winning the Big Ten Championship Game. That has nothing to do with scheduling an 11th P5 opponent other than it makes that first part more difficult.

 

[C'ville Boiler]

A 'realistic' shot at the CFP for Purdue is getting through the schedule with one loss or less and then winning the Big Ten Championship Game. That has nothing to do with scheduling an 11th P5 opponent other than it makes that first part more difficult.

You’re probably right but what I said was if we played ND, balance it out with a weak team. A win vs ND would be big and a loss not terrible. Besides, I like the rivalry even if it has been one sided for the most part. To me people saying they don’t want to play it because it’s lopsided is like they are saying they don’t think Purdue will be good enough to beat ND

 

[BCfanatic2020]

if we didn't play ND we would have beaten Minnesota?

That’s what @FirstDownB said?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

You’re probably right but what I said was if we played ND, balance it out with a weak team. A win vs ND would be big and a loss not terrible. Besides, I like the rivalry even if it has been one sided for the most part. To me people saying they don’t want to play it because it’s lopsided is like they are saying they don’t think Purdue will be good enough to beat ND

Lopsided is one reason…

> there are similar echelon teams where beating them taps us into a new recruiting market

> the drum man

 

[FirstDownB]

You’re probably right but what I said was if we played ND, balance it out with a weak team. A win vs ND would be big and a loss not terrible. Besides, I like the rivalry even if it has been one sided for the most part. To me people saying they don’t want to play it because it’s lopsided is like they are saying they don’t think Purdue will be good enough to beat ND

I think there are 2 different conversations here. One is about playing ND period. The other is playing ND as the 11th P5 opponent. I don't care if we play ND or not. I just don't want 11 P5 on the schedule.

 

[C'ville Boiler]

I think there are 2 different conversations here. One is about playing ND period. The other is playing ND as the 11th P5 opponent. I don't care if we play ND or not. I just don't want 11 P5 on the schedule.

You’re right about the 11 P5. I’d just make sure if we played ND or a team of that caliber, we’d balance it out by playing weaker teams in the other 2 games to pad win column. It doesn’t necessarily have to be ND, though I like the game, it needs to be a big program that is consistently good

 

[BCfanatic2020]

You’re right about the 11 P5. I’d just make sure if we played ND or a team of that caliber, we’d balance it out by playing weaker teams in the other 2 games to pad win column. It doesn’t necessarily have to be ND, though I like the game, it needs to be a big program that is consistently good

I think all three of us are on the same page

 

[SCBoiler1]

I like playing Notre Dame and if a team like Purdue has playoff aspirations then you have to have non conference games like ND. You can’t just expect every year that you’re going to play three top 5 teams in conference because it probably isn’t going to happen. We don’t play Ohio State, Michigan State or Michigan every year

Not really. Any B10 team that would go undefeated or win the B10 championship with one loss would probably make it to the Bowl Championship Series. Playing/beating Notre Dame wouldn't change anything..

 

[BBG]

Biggest reason to not play ND? Don't have to go to South Bend . Or should I say "the gateway to Niles".

 

[Pu71indy]

We had more yards in the game than ND - at their place. Could have won if red zone plays were different and we didn't turn the ball over.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

We had more yards in the game than ND - at their place. Could have won if red zone plays were different and we didn't turn the ball over.

You probably win that game if you start oconnell vs Oregon state ..

 

[FirstDownB]

You probably win that game if you start oconnell vs Oregon state ..

Maybe. Or it could have gone like the Minnesota game. It would be a mistake to assume too much in hindsight now that the offense is playing well (against less stellar defenses). There was more to the ND game than the QB position. Brohm was struggling with the red zone puzzle and lack of running game.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Maybe. Or it could have gone like the Minnesota game. It would be a mistake to assume too much in hindsight now that the offense is playing well (against less stellar defenses). There was more to the ND game than the QB position. Brohm was struggling with the red zone puzzle and lack of running game.

Oconnell is just better.. Oregon state fans even say “we think we would have won if we played Nolan the whole game but the guy they have now is better than the guy they had”

we had the running issue vs ND. The bigger issue is that plummer held the ball way too long and when oconnell came in it was too little too late of a QB who had only played a couple drives to that point.

Oconnell is a less talented drew Brees in terms of seeing the game, feeling it and processing it. He can’t escape like brees and doesn’t see it that fast. But he’s at least prime David Blough level when you balance everything out. If he could run like Blough he’d be a high NFL pick. At this point id only clearly take brees and Orton over him modern era. Unless you think Curtis Painter would just play like he had huge cajones against MSU.

 

[FirstDownB]

Oconnell is just better.. Oregon state fans even say “we think we would have won if we played Nolan the whole game but the guy they have now is better than the guy they had”

we had the running issue vs ND. The bigger issue is that plummer held the ball way too long and when oconnell came in it was too little too late of a QB who had only played a couple drives to that point.

Oconnell is a less talented drew Brees in terms of seeing the game, feeling it and processing it. He can’t escape like brees and doesn’t see it that fast. But he’s at least prime David Blough level when you balance everything out. If he could run like Blough he’d be a high NFL pick. At this point id only clearly take brees and Orton over him modern era. Unless you think Curtis Painter would just play like he had huge cajones against MSU.

I prefer O'Connel too. But at that point in the season (see Illinois, Minnesota) the offense was hitting a brick wall in the red zone regardless of who was behind center.

 

[delarno]

Maybe. Or it could have gone like the Minnesota game. It would be a mistake to assume too much in hindsight now that the offense is playing well (against less stellar defenses). There was more to the ND game than the QB position. Brohm was struggling with the red zone puzzle and lack of running game.

I think we would have won the Minnesota game if it had not been played in an absolute downpour. Tough enough for us to finish drives without the Monsoon. I think AOC did an good job but he missed a few passes he would have hit IMO if it was decent weather. Without a running game, we are at a big disadvantage in those conditions.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I prefer O'Connel too. But at that point in the season (see Illinois, Minnesota) the offense was hitting a brick wall in the red zone regardless of who was behind center.

But we don’t know that because he didn’t start the season. If he began starting two two games later than he did I doubt he’s where he is now. In my estimation a lot of our deficiencies have been covered by Oconnell’s ability to turn and throw left

 

[TC4THREE]

To be fair here, it could be argued that playing at Notre Dame prepared us for playing in Iowa City. Not that it had to be specifically Notre Dame, but that's why I value playing a P5 team on the road in the non-conference.