Colvin and Heide 3P splits

[boilerzz]

I don't understand it.

Through the first 40 games of his career, Colvin was 38-89 from three. That's 42.7% which is phenomenal. Over his last 12 games, he's 10-42 (23.8%) and that includes a 4-8 game against Nebraska. Without that game, he's 6-34 (Woof....17.6%).

Concurrently, through the first 48 games of his career, Cam Heide was 29-58 from three. That's a tremendous 50.0%. Over his last 13 games, he's 4-29 (Yikes....13.8%).

Through much larger sample sizes, Colvin and Heide showed to be very good shooters and they've fallen off a cliff. Any thoughts?

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Colvin's shot just looks off to me. Doesnt seem as smooth as it once was.

Hopefully, they get their collective shooting funk out now and are lights out in March.

 

[boilerzz]

Colvin's shot just looks off to me. Doesnt seem as smooth as it once was.

Hopefully, they get their collective shooting funk out now and are lights out in March.

Agreed. It looks like he's got a hitch on it or he's not releasing it at the apex.

 

[rjmpu82]

I would be curious to hear the coach's perspectives comparing how he shoots in practice vs shooting in games.

 

[02Boilermaker]

A lot of the recent misses have been off of good or wide open looks which makes it even more puzzling. I'm sure some of it is mental yips at this point, and hopefully that aspect can be overcome.

Another thought: is it partly due to the fact that so many of their looks prior to this year came from Zach kicking the ball out of the post? When you're standing still at the arc, looking at the ball and the rim, and expecting Zach to kick it out to you when the other team doubles, isn't it simply an easier shot to execute? With Braden creating offense, you don't know when you're going to get the ball or where it's going to come from. While it seemingly wouldn't account for such a precipitous drop in %, could that be playing at least a small role? I seem to remember our 3Pt% dropping a few years back as Jaden took over the reins and pretty much created the offense. Is it just the same thing happening here?

 

[Chi-Boiler]

I know one thing. We won't go far in the tournament if these guys can't contribute. Anything. Doesn't even have to be 3s, although that's the topic at hand.

 

[qazplm]

A lot of the recent misses have been off of good or wide open looks which makes it even more puzzling. I'm sure some of it is mental yips at this point, and hopefully that aspect can be overcome.

Another thought: is it partly due to the fact that so many of their looks prior to this year came from Zach kicking the ball out of the post? When you're standing still at the arc, looking at the ball and the rim, and expecting Zach to kick it out to you when the other team doubles, isn't it simply an easier shot to execute? With Braden creating offense, you don't know when you're going to get the ball or where it's going to come from. While it seemingly wouldn't account for such a precipitous drop in %, could that be playing at least a small role? I seem to remember our 3Pt% dropping a few years back as Jaden took over the reins and pretty much created the offense. Is it just the same thing happening here?

I don't know about anyone else, but if I'm shooting a 3 with Edey down there, the pressure is lower because even if I miss, there's a decent chance he gets the rebound.

Now, it's a lot lower (as is our rebounding in general) so if I miss them it's more likely going the other way.

A lot of shooting is mental.

 

[RossMackey]

I don't understand it.

Through the first 40 games of his career, Colvin was 38-89 from three. That's 42.7% which is phenomenal. Over his last 12 games, he's 10-42 (23.8%) and that includes a 4-8 game against Nebraska. Without that game, he's 6-34 (Woof....17.6%).

Concurrently, through the first 48 games of his career, Cam Heide was 29-58 from three. That's a tremendous 50.0%. Over his last 13 games, he's 4-29 (Yikes....13.8%).

Through much larger sample sizes, Colvin and Heide showed to be very good shooters and they've fallen off a cliff. Any thoughts?

"woof" and "yikes" indeed....

I'd like to think it's a sophomore slump-- and the accompanying pressure of knowing they are now more relied upon to provide perimeter scoring, as opposed to not having too much expected of them as freshmen.

There are multiple examples (Zach, Mason, Carsen, Eifert, etc.) of the time it takes before the light comes on for so many players coming through Painter's system.

As much as we would all love to see people be dominant from the outset -- those instances are pretty rare.

 

[northside100]

I don't understand it.

Through the first 40 games of his career, Colvin was 38-89 from three. That's 42.7% which is phenomenal. Over his last 12 games, he's 10-42 (23.8%) and that includes a 4-8 game against Nebraska. Without that game, he's 6-34 (Woof....17.6%).

Concurrently, through the first 48 games of his career, Cam Heide was 29-58 from three. That's a tremendous 50.0%. Over his last 13 games, he's 4-29 (Yikes....13.8%).

Through much larger sample sizes, Colvin and Heide showed to be very good shooters and they've fallen off a cliff. Any thoughts?

Brutal. It's not like they're not getting good looks.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Like TKR’s free throw struggles, I think it’s mental and a little confidence will go a long way. It’s like a batting slump in baseball. It’s something that most athletes have to contend with at some point in their careers. Dwelling on it helps nothing.

 

[Boiler Roastie]

I don't understand it.

Through the first 40 games of his career, Colvin was 38-89 from three. That's 42.7% which is phenomenal. Over his last 12 games, he's 10-42 (23.8%) and that includes a 4-8 game against Nebraska. Without that game, he's 6-34 (Woof....17.6%).

Concurrently, through the first 48 games of his career, Cam Heide was 29-58 from three. That's a tremendous 50.0%. Over his last 13 games, he's 4-29 (Yikes....13.8%).

Through much larger sample sizes, Colvin and Heide showed to be very good shooters and they've fallen off a cliff. Any thoughts?

Well the way you normally do this at Purdue is to play defense like your life depended on it. The offense will come.

 

[boilerzz]

Well the way you normally do this at Purdue is to play defense like your life depended on it. The offense will come.

But that’s what is wild. The offense came early….and then took a hiatus.

 

[mryankee2397]

since the nebraska game, smith is 2-15, so it just isnt heide and colvin that have dropped off

 

[BoilerDaddy]

But that’s what is wild. The offense came early….and then took a hiatus.

Slumps happen. Harris had his early and now is shooting with confidence. I recall this board getting frustrated when Loyer went through a slump. What I see from the guys who are struggling now is that they are doing other things to contribute. I do believe that this will get straightened out.

 

[HUD628]

Painter talked about Heide last week and how everything changed for him game 1 when Jacobsen went down. The role Cam is playing right now is not what they were planning on. So I guess there's some reason to cut him a little slack if you want. Colvin, man, idk. Just does not look good, and with Cox and Harris both settling in, his minutes could really dwindle.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

One thing that I noticed about Heide yesterday is that the 3 pointer that he hit was the one where he had to shoot and had no time to think. It was actually the hardest of his attempts. Sometimes the most coach-able team first guys struggle the most with second guessing themselves which he had no time to do on that play.

On the other hand, he really is playing an important overall role for this team and is doing a lot of the dirty work, which is what he needs to do as he works through this.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

One thing that I noticed about Heide yesterday is that the 3 pointer that he hit was the one where he had to shoot and had no time to think. It was actually the hardest of his attempts. Sometimes the most coach-able team first guys struggle the most with second guessing themselves which he had no time to do on that play.

On the other hand, he really is playing an important overall role for this team and is doing a lot of the dirty work, which is what he needs to do as he works through this.

It appears over this tough stretch that most of his deep shots have the right distance but have been wide.....more to the right.......wonder if it's either something with his alignment or just not being squared up - think he might get it straightened out......definitely agree on doing some dirty work on defense on the wing, which allows Smith to be a little more aggressive, and CH is helping out on the glass.

He and Myles Colvin just have to stick with it and stick with it - opportunities will be there with some huge games coming up.

 

[BoilerMaker P]

I recall this board getting frustrated when Loyer went through a slump.

This. It wasn’t too long ago that on this board there were calls to replace Loyer with Colvin or others. Slumps do happen to everybody. Painter always says he doesn’t mind a guy missing if it’s a good shot. Keep taking them and they’ll fall eventually. Cox hasn’t really been filling it up since he hit those 3 in a row in the Alabama game. It’ll come. In the meantime, they need to contribute in other ways.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

I heard an authority in medicine say you should drink 3 Red Bulls 1/2 hour before a game, and the 3s will have better spin and accuracy. As everyone knows, that is where the word Bullseye came from in history. Of course, you won't be able to sleep later that night, but nearly all postives come with some small sacrifices. Go Boilers!

 

[BoilerDeac]

I don't understand it.

Through the first 40 games of his career, Colvin was 38-89 from three. That's 42.7% which is phenomenal. Over his last 12 games, he's 10-42 (23.8%) and that includes a 4-8 game against Nebraska. Without that game, he's 6-34 (Woof....17.6%).

Concurrently, through the first 48 games of his career, Cam Heide was 29-58 from three. That's a tremendous 50.0%. Over his last 13 games, he's 4-29 (Yikes....13.8%).

Through much larger sample sizes, Colvin and Heide showed to be very good shooters and they've fallen off a cliff. Any thoughts?

Colvin is the new Brandon Newman. Just not sure he’s a great fit in this offense, unfortunately, and it’s clear it’s been difficult for him to find any sort of rhythm or consistency. He’s probably better off transferring.

 

[boilerzz]

Not sure if others noticed but I found it interesting that Myles didn't play in the 2nd half last night and only played 8 minutes. After averaging about 18 minutes most of the season, he's only averaging 10.5 minutes the last 4 games.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Not sure if others noticed but I found it interesting that Myles didn't play in the 2nd half last night and only played 8 minutes. After averaging about 18 minutes most of the season, he's only averaging 10.5 minutes the last 4 games.

That might have as much to do with Harris as it does with Colvin. Harris has averaged 19.5 minutes over those same 4 games. He is really starting to earn Painter’s trust.