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MLK would beam with pride? Are you kidding me? He would be pissed at this decision.

While I am sure MLK would have been delighted with the start of AA in admissions. Did alot of great things in it's time.

It's time is over, past. And MLK, based on what he said, NOW would say.....

"My dream has come true"

Great day for America and America's youth. Celebrate!
 
While I am sure MLK would have been delighted with the start of AA in admissions. Did alot of great things in it's time.

It's time is over, past. And MLK, based on what he said, NOW would say.....

"My dream has come true"

Great day for America and America's youth. Celebrate!
So it’s ok for West Point, Naval Academy, and Air Force Academy to continue to perform reverse discrimination, using the words of opponents of affirmative action.
 
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True.

Besides the obvious, another great side note of this decision.... is that it has pointed out who the REAL RACIST are. All over media it is not hard to find these racist with the soft bigotry of low expectations. Here is a great example below. Note what she says about Black people...wow!! This is flat out racist, downgrading statement... and why I say these Dems, are the true racists in this country....

That's a bot, not a real person, fyi.
 
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Look it up, affirmative action is exactly how Thomas, Carson and several other black men got onto Yale. Y’all are the ones who quote the only MLK quote you know when convenient. MLK would roll over in his grave if he was alive witness this decision. He would have supported affirmative action.

The ironic thing about all of this is that the brains behind, the father of affirmative action in the 60s was a black conservative named Arthur Fletcher. He went on to become Assistant Sec of Labor under Nixon. Also served in the Reagan and Bush admins.
So what. They saw the issues Aff Action caused. Which is why they have stumped against it since the day they received it. Yet you can't seem to understand that someone with first hand knowledge would have a better view of the issue than your left wing talking points.
 
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True.

Besides the obvious, another great side note of this decision.... is that it has pointed out who the REAL RACIST are. All over media it is not hard to find these racist with the soft bigotry of low expectations. Here is a great example below. Note what she says about Black people...wow!! This is flat out racist, downgrading statement... and why I say these Dems, are the true racists in this country....

That's the definition of bigotry of low expectations.
 
You have literally no proof whatsoever of this ridiculous statement.
Boiler Buck said, "MLK would beam with pride". I don't see a post from you responding to him. Does Boiler Buck have proof of what he just said? Is his statement ridiculous? You most likely agree with his statement and therefore it is not deemed ridiculous by you. Y'all are amazing with this stuff. Y'all are trying to tell a black man, that has heard a dozen or so of MLK's speeches in their entirety, watched countless MLK documentaries, what he would have thought about the ruling. In the midst of taking one line, from one speech out of context. Wow.
 
Boiler Buck said, "MLK would beam with pride". I don't see a post from you responding to him. Does Boiler Buck have proof of what he just said? Is his statement ridiculous? You most likely agree with his statement and therefore it is not deemed ridiculous by you. Y'all are amazing with this stuff. Y'all are trying to tell a black man, that has heard a dozen or so of MLK's speeches in their entirety, watched countless MLK documentaries, what he would have thought about the ruling. In the midst of taking one line, from one speech out of context. Wow.
You’re the king of taking people’s quotes out of context. You’re exactly who you get mad at.
 
You have literally no proof whatsoever of this ridiculous statement.

Guess on MLK....neither of us has any proof really, truth be told.

But my thoughts the are based on MLK writings. While BNIs thoughts are based solely on his race centric mind.
 
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Boiler Buck said, "MLK would beam with pride". I don't see a post from you responding to him. Does Boiler Buck have proof of what he just said? Is his statement ridiculous? You most likely agree with his statement and therefore it is not deemed ridiculous by you. Y'all are amazing with this stuff. Y'all are trying to tell a black man, that has heard a dozen or so of MLK's speeches in their entirety, watched countless MLK documentaries, what he would have thought about the ruling. In the midst of taking one line, from one speech out of context. Wow.
You, too, have no idea what Dr. King would be thinking. I, too have read his speeches and have a working knowledge of his life. The great tragedy is that he was killed before his work was done. Maybe the hucksters that have made political careers or gained financially from racial issues would have had little reason to exist today.
 
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The answer is I don’t know. You will have to ask the schools yourself. I still say legacy was a big issue. How many of the legacy kids had the grades comparable to this Asian dude? How do you know legacy did not way in? Legacy entries have been going on since the beginning of the US.
Systemic racism took a big hit today.
Next take it out of Federal Work requirements, DBE requirements.
A good start to becoming a non racist society.
 
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Systemic racism took a big hit today.
Next take it out of Federal Work requirements, DBE requirements.
A good start to becoming a non racist society.
Great post that’s not even debatable.
 
Systemic racism took a big hit today.
Next take it out of Federal Work requirements, DBE requirements.
A good start to becoming a non racist society.
I thought there was no such thing as systemic racism. Isn’t that what y’all always tell me. So, now there is systemic racism when whites folks are in the so called wrong end of it? Who’s crying victimization now?
 
Boiler Buck said, "MLK would beam with pride". I don't see a post from you responding to him. Does Boiler Buck have proof of what he just said? Is his statement ridiculous? You most likely agree with his statement and therefore it is not deemed ridiculous by you. Y'all are amazing with this stuff. Y'all are trying to tell a black man, that has heard a dozen or so of MLK's speeches in their entirety, watched countless MLK documentaries, what he would have thought about the ruling. In the midst of taking one line, from one speech out of context. Wow.
You're right, but I didn't read his post. He doesn't have proof of that. However, his statement is more in line with what MLK said he stood for. It's believed that he was a Republican so it's less ridiculous to think he'd think the way Buck said as well.
 
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You're right, but I didn't read his post. He doesn't have proof of that. However, his statement is more in line with what MLK said he stood for. It's believed that he was a Republican so it's less ridiculous to think he'd think the way Buck said as well.
Of course, I don't have proof. But I guarantee y'all that he would be appalled at the recent supreme court ruling on affirmative action. Yes, MLK was a republican along with most blacks, particularly in the south prior to the late 60s due to the racist democrats during Jim Crow. That changed in the late 60s when most of the racist Dixiecrats went over to the republican party and trained by racist republican strategist, Lee Atwater on how to be racist without being as bold and overt as they did when they were democrats. That later became the Nixon Southern Strategy. Since then most blacks left the republican party and gone over to the Democratic party.
 
Of course, I don't have proof. But I guarantee y'all that he would be appalled at the recent supreme court ruling on affirmative action. Yes, MLK was a republican along with most blacks, particularly in the south prior to the late 60s due to the racist democrats during Jim Crow. That changed in the late 60s when most of the racist Dixiecrats went over to the republican party and trained by racist republican strategist, Lee Atwater on how to be racist without being as bold and overt as they did when they were democrats. That later became the Nixon Southern Strategy. Since then most blacks left the republican party and gone over to the Democratic party.

You know a lot about the past & history where people did things because of race.

Hope you are a happier guy now because that is over now and we are past that.
 
You know a lot about the past & history where people did things because of race.

Hope you are a happier guy now because that is over now and we are past that.
Oh, it's a lot better thanks to MLK and the many civil rights activists that literally sacrificed their lives for equality. Thanks to Arthur Fletcher the black republican and the father of affirmative action. Because of affirmative action, things are a lot better. But as far as being over, you are very very wrong. The US has a way to go before racism is over.
 
Of course, I don't have proof. But I guarantee y'all that he would be appalled at the recent supreme court ruling on affirmative action. Yes, MLK was a republican along with most blacks, particularly in the south prior to the late 60s due to the racist democrats during Jim Crow. That changed in the late 60s when most of the racist Dixiecrats went over to the republican party and trained by racist republican strategist, Lee Atwater on how to be racist without being as bold and overt as they did when they were democrats. That later became the Nixon Southern Strategy. Since then most blacks left the republican party and gone over to the Democratic party.
You can't guarantee anything. You also have history wrong as to why blacks switched to vote for Republicans. Almost no Dixiecrats switched to the Republican party. There were maybe 2 in both the Senate and the House. That's not making an entire group switch parties.

Also, most blacks didn't switch to vote Republican during the 60's. They switched during the 30's. So your narrative is completely wrong.
 
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You can't guarantee anything. You also have history wrong as to why blacks switched to vote for Republicans. Almost no Dixiecrats switched to the Republican party. There were maybe 2 in both the Senate and the House. That's not making an entire group switch parties.
So you tell me. Why did blacks vote republican during Jim Crow prior to the 60s and then switched over to the Democrats after the 60s? Doesn't matter how many Dixiecrats switched over, and I'm not just talking on the national level, I know Strom Thurman did. The fact is that some did. Combined that to the fact that republican Barry Goldwater as Senator voted against either the Civil Rights or Voting Rights bills or both. Ran against Lyndon Johnson for president in 1964 and lost. Plus Lyndon Johnson signed both of those bills and became a champion for civil rights. Then the southern strategy fiasco led to blacks leaving the republicans in droves. Of course a lot stayed to this day. So since the the late 60s and early 70s, the republican party became the party of white supremacy. You can't deny that the racist democrats during Jim Crow voted against bills like the Anti-Lynching bill and just recently as 2 or 3 years ago, the republicans, including black Sen. Tim Scott voted against a similar Anti-Lynching bill and a Voting Rights bill.
 
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So you tell me. Why did blacks vote republican during Jim Crow prior to the 60s and then switched over to the Democrats after the 60s? Doesn't matter how many Dixiecrats switched over, and I'm not just talking on the national level, I know Strom Thurman did. The fact is that some did. Combined that to the fact that republican Barry Goldwater as Senator voted against either the Civil Rights or Voting Rights bills or both. Ran against Lyndon Johnson for president in 1964 and lost. Plus Lyndon Johnson signed both of those bills and became a champion for civil rights. Then the southern strategy fiasco led to blacks leaving the republicans in droves. Of course a lot stayed to this day. So since the the late 60s and early 70s, the republican party became the party of white supremacy. You can't deny that the racist democrats during Jim Crow voted against bills like the Anti-Lynching bill and just recently as 2 or 3 years ago, the republicans, including black Sen. Tim Scott voted against a similar Anti-Lynching bill and a Voting Rights bill.
They didn't. They switched in the 1930's because of new deal benefits.

A much larger percentage of Democrats voted against the Civil Rights act. Again, one person doing so from the R party doesn't make an entire group switch. You're using minority instances to prove what you think happened. That's not at all reality.
 
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Oh, it's a lot better thanks to MLK and the many civil rights activists that literally sacrificed their lives for equality. Thanks to Arthur Fletcher the black republican and the father of affirmative action. Because of affirmative action, things are a lot better. But as far as being over, you are very very wrong. The US has a way to go before racism is over.

In my world it is mostly over and remember I worked several years in the projects of Center TWP. Indy, so it's not like I have no perspective.

But it would be very interesting for the board to hear from you on what specific steps do you believe still need to be made?
 
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So you tell me. Why did blacks vote republican during Jim Crow prior to the 60s and then switched over to the Democrats after the 60s? Doesn't matter how many Dixiecrats switched over, and I'm not just talking on the national level, I know Strom Thurman did. The fact is that some did. Combined that to the fact that republican Barry Goldwater as Senator voted against either the Civil Rights or Voting Rights bills or both. Ran against Lyndon Johnson for president in 1964 and lost. Plus Lyndon Johnson signed both of those bills and became a champion for civil rights. Then the southern strategy fiasco led to blacks leaving the republicans in droves. Of course a lot stayed to this day. So since the the late 60s and early 70s, the republican party became the party of white supremacy. You can't deny that the racist democrats during Jim Crow voted against bills like the Anti-Lynching bill and just recently as 2 or 3 years ago, the republicans, including black Sen. Tim Scott voted against a similar Anti-Lynching bill and a Voting Rights bill.
Here's your proof. Blacks started voting heavily D in the mid 1930's because of New Deal policies. Has nothing to do with the racism you state. That's a left wing lie to try to keep blacks voting D.

Many blacks begrudgingly voted D then because they felt they were siding with the party of racism.

 
In my world it is mostly over and remember I worked several years in the projects of Center TWP. Indy, so it's not like I have no perspective.

But it would be very interesting for the board to hear from you on what specific steps do you believe still need to be made?
It is mostly over. Only someone that believes everything their party tells them would think it's not mostly over. Especially when they state that they have not personally experienced it.
 
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Here's your proof. Blacks started voting heavily D in the mid 1930's because of New Deal policies. Has nothing to do with the racism you state. That's a left wing lie to try to keep blacks voting D.

Many blacks begrudgingly voted D then because they felt they were siding with the party of racism.

That’s blacks voting for president. That doesn’t mean that they were democrat. I’m talking about being a registered Republican or democrat. Not who you voted for. Remember FDR was a stone cold racist. A lot of blacks were left out of that New Deal. Blacks at that time weren't even allowed to participate in the new social economic plan during time most people refer to it as welfare. Truman wasn’t too bad as he fully intergrated the US armed forces.
 
It is mostly over. Only someone that believes everything their party tells them would think it's not mostly over. Especially when they state that they have not personally experienced it.
You, the Boneman and others need to really stop saying that the Democratic Party tells black people how to think and stuff. That is offensive, particularly when you are trying to state your case that racism is over. Black people’s experiences tell us what to think and how to react. If the Dems and liberals want to pander that is on them.

For the last time, I’ve said that I never experienced racism that held me back from going to Purdue, employment etc. But I have been racially profiled, run into a few “Karens”, racial slurs yelled at me. Even at Purdue, a cross was burned at the Black Cultural Center and the at the black fraternity house, Alpha Phi Alpha on Waldron St. So yes I have experience racism.
 
That’s blacks voting for president. That doesn’t mean that they were democrat. I’m talking about being a registered Republican or democrat. Not who you voted for. Remember FDR was a stone cold racist. A lot of blacks were left out of that New Deal. Blacks at that time weren't even allowed to participate in the new social economic plan during time most people refer to it as welfare. Truman wasn’t too bad as he fully intergrated the US armed forces.
So you're telling me that over 70% of the black community voted Democrat solid from 1930 on weren't really Democrat because they were registered Republican? DaFukk?? You have actual stats to back that up I assume? Because I brought stats. You know, real evidence of what I say. Not some ghost in the wind made up bullshit that you heard on talk radio.

You'd have an argument if they switched from voting D to R and back until the 1960's when Civil Rights happened, but that's not what happened. It was a solid 3/4 voting block from blacks from the 1930's onward.

Yes, I know FDR was a stone cold racist. I also know that a lot of blacks were left out of the New Deal benefits. The only way he could do that though was to not include certain jobs in which were heavily black employed. That's probably why it was only just over 70% of blacks voting D then. The ones left out didn't switch.
 
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You, the Boneman and others need to really stop saying that the Democratic Party tells black people how to think and stuff. That is offensive, particularly when you are trying to state your case that racism is over. Black people’s experiences tell us what to think and how to react. If the Dems and liberals want to pander that is on them.
I'm sorry but that's a stone cold lie. Why do you believe systemic racism exists? It's all you hear about on the media. Yet there is NO proof of it whatsoever.

All of my friends that are black that are willing to talk about politics and race are embarrassed that so many think systemic racism is a thing anymore. There are racist people. You'll never get rid of all of them, even though I think it's still important to try. However, systemic racism has been long gone for quite some time now.

I'm sure some areas are worse than others too, but we've come so damn far in this country and to continue to stoke fires of something that is trying it's hardest to die out is only keeping it alive.
 
So you're telling me that over 70% of the black community voted Democrat solid from 1930 on weren't really Democrat because they were registered Republican? DaFukk?? You have actual stats to back that up I assume? Because I brought stats. You know, real evidence of what I say. Not some ghost in the wind made up bullshit that you heard on talk radio.

You'd have an argument if they switched from voting D to R and back until the 1960's when Civil Rights happened, but that's not what happened. It was a solid 3/4 voting block from blacks from the 1930's onward.

Yes, I know FDR was a stone cold racist. I also know that a lot of blacks were left out of the New Deal benefits. The only way he could do that though was to not include certain jobs in which were heavily black employed. That's probably why it was only just over 70% of blacks voting D then. The ones left out didn't switch.
As we all know, during that time, the country was divided north and south. Also, as we all know there are presidential, state and local elections. Unless you are Candace Owens or Lee Elder, blacks in Alabama, MS, GA, SC, NC, etc. did not vote for the racist democrats in state and local elections like George Wallace and their predecessors. During that time a lot blacks migrated to the northern states for jobs and education. Perhaps the numbers of black democrats in the north were a higher, particularly when they moved larger metro areas like Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, etc. But what I do know for sure is that after Johnson signed the Civil and Voting rights bills, it was a wrap. Blacks left the Republican Party behind. Your chart does show that also. Growing up in the 70s and 80s in NW Indiana, I don’t know anyone blacks that was Republican. That is still the case today.
 
As we all know, during that time, the country was divided north and south. Also, as we all know there are presidential, state and local elections. Unless you are Candace Owens or Lee Elder, blacks in Alabama, MS, GA, SC, NC, etc. did not vote for the racist democrats in state and local elections like George Wallace and their predecessors. During that time a lot blacks migrated to the northern states for jobs and education. Perhaps the numbers of black democrats in the north were a higher, particularly when they moved larger metro areas like Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, etc. But what I do know for sure is that after Johnson signed the Civil and Voting rights bills, it was a wrap. Blacks left the Republican Party behind. Your chart does show that also. Growing up in the 70s and 80s in NW Indiana, I don’t know anyone blacks that was Republican. That is still the case today.
None of what you said disputes the facts I've presented you. In fact, 1964 was the highest year ever for blacks voting Dem and it dropped off some after that. How is that so if blacks weren't able to vote or anything in the South until after that?

No, the truth is that your statements are not rooted in facts. Yes, you're right that there were attempts to stop blacks from voting in the South, but not all of them were stopped. It was welfare that brought the black vote to Dems and it's a plain fact of history that you're choosing to ignore.

 
None of what you said disputes the facts I've presented you. In fact, 1964 was the highest year ever for blacks voting Dem and it dropped off some after that. How is that so if blacks weren't able to vote or anything in the South until after that?

No, the truth is that your statements are not rooted in facts. Yes, you're right that there were attempts to stop blacks from voting in the South, but not all of them were stopped. It was welfare that brought the black vote to Dems and it's a plain fact of history that you're choosing to ignore.

Dude, you keep referring to your chart about presidential elections. Again, southern states, state and local governments were racist as hell. Other than Candace Owens, they ain’t voting for local racist public office seekers. Attempts to stop blacks from voting? Are you kidding me? In the south, it was law that they had to guess the number of jelly beans in a jar. Pole taxes and literacy tests etc. But your chart still reflects 80% plus voting for democratic president since after the peak on 1960.

As far as welfare, not all blacks are on welfare plus just as many or more whites are on welfare. I’m not avoiding and if what you say is true that welfare persuaded blacks to go over to the Democratic Party, it wasn’t until Johnson’s bills in the 60s that made that possible.
 
As we all know, during that time, the country was divided north and south. Also, as we all know there are presidential, state and local elections. Unless you are Candace Owens or Lee Elder, blacks in Alabama, MS, GA, SC, NC, etc. did not vote for the racist democrats in state and local elections like George Wallace and their predecessors. During that time a lot blacks migrated to the northern states for jobs and education. Perhaps the numbers of black democrats in the north were a higher, particularly when they moved larger metro areas like Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, etc. But what I do know for sure is that after Johnson signed the Civil and Voting rights bills, it was a wrap. Blacks left the Republican Party behind. Your chart does show that also. Growing up in the 70s and 80s in NW Indiana, I don’t know anyone blacks that was Republican. That is still the case today.
Owens and Elder are blacks who have done something with their lives, unlike you. That’s why you hate them so much. Good for them for not letting the Democrat party enslave them like you have been.
 
As far as welfare, not all blacks are on welfare plus just as many or more whites are on welfare. I’m not avoiding and if what you say is true that welfare persuaded blacks to go over to the Democratic Party, it wasn’t until Johnson’s bills in the 60s that made that possible.

You know I always thought way more Caucasian people are on handouts more than any other race as there are just so many poor whites. And Caucasians are a huge chunk of population. Never thought it was even close.

But according to Gitnux stats....
38.8% of welfare recipients are White, 39.8% are Black, 15.7% are Hispanic, 2.4% are Asian, and 3.3% are Other.May 20, 2023
Gitnux

When you consider the Black population being not quite 13% of USA total population .....it is shocking to me that they make up nearly 40% of all USA welfare recipients. That amazes & shocks me that one race appears to be so dominated by welfare usage.
 
You, the Boneman and others need to really stop saying that the Democratic Party tells black people how to think and stuff. That is offensive, particularly when you are trying to state your case that racism is over. Black people’s experiences tell us what to think and how to react. If the Dems and liberals want to pander that is on them.
Joe Biden "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black". There it is. Undisputable facts from 2020.
 
Per Erica Marsh (blonde/pale face) "No Black person will be able to succeed in a merit-based system...". Sad commentary on how the left views black persons. I do not hold such an opinion. I've known some black people who have been high achievers on their own merit. I also know a great many white people with outstanding opportunities that ended up as abject failures.
When Ulric (Rick) Haynes was the head of personnel at Cummins in Columbus, Indiana my brother-in-law not only worked for him, but was a very good friend of his. Enough that Rick allowed him access to about 30K to take care of the horses and stuff while he was away as a Jimmy Carter appointee that was later one of the head negotiators for the Iranian hostage. Those alive back then are aware of the quotas. Rick said we aren’t going to just find a black and hire him. We will hire the “best” black candidate possible, because it wasn’t fair to those deserving to have another black hired because he was black. What I thought was interesting was the use of the word “best”, rather than “qualified”.

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You know I always thought way more Caucasian people are on handouts more than any other race as there are just so many poor whites. And Caucasians are a huge chunk of population. Never thought it was even close.

But according to Gitnux stats....
38.8% of welfare recipients are White, 39.8% are Black, 15.7% are Hispanic, 2.4% are Asian, and 3.3% are Other.May 20, 2023
Gitnux

When you consider the Black population being not quite 13% of USA total population .....it is shocking to me that they make up nearly 40% of all USA welfare recipients. That amazes & shocks me that one race appears to be so dominated by welfare usage.
I agree, those are some stunning statistics. Very hard to comprehend it’s that many. 😯
 
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