Look. I’m a Painter fan, and I want him to succeed. But let’s not pretend that he (or Keady) have taken us to unprecedented heights.This isn’t the 70s.
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Look. I’m a Painter fan, and I want him to succeed. But let’s not pretend that he (or Keady) have taken us to unprecedented heights.This isn’t the 70s.
I am fine with Painter as Coach without the rebound...the rebound is always brought up, but, a guy that is literally in the basketball HOF for FTs missing a FT just before that ensuing debacle is almost never brought up, and, is not just the more important piece, but, also entirely out of the hands of Painter.Would you be fine with Painter as coach had we secured that rebound vs Virginia?
Or overachieved...outside of being better during the regular season than expected at times.Look. I’m a Painter fan, and I want him to succeed. But let’s not pretend that he (or Keady) have taken us to unprecedented heights.
I guess we will find in around 20 years when Painter calls it quits.Look. I’m a Painter fan, and I want him to succeed. But let’s not pretend that he (or Keady) have taken us to unprecedented heights.
And as has been discussed Painter/Purdue have a number of factors working against it that make consistent national success unlikely.I am fine with Painter as Coach without the rebound...the rebound is always brought up, but, a guy that is literally in the basketball HOF for FTs missing a FT just before that ensuing debacle is almost never brought up, and, is not just the more important piece, but, also entirely out of the hands of Painter.
My point was that on the heels of the point that you were trying to make...namely, that whereas Purdue had some high level national success that would suggest that it was poised for more...it has not ensued, despite the fact that it seemingly could (and maybe arguably should) have.
I would be shocked if he is there 20 years...surprised if it is 10 more even, especially with things as they stand.I guess we will find in around 20 years when Painter calls it quits.
Consistent national success is unlikely for any given school. Until it isn't. There were factors against Duke, Gonzaga, Nova, Virginia, etc etc. Those factors were overcome by... top coaching.And as has been discussed Painter/Purdue have a number of factors working against it that make consistent national success unlikely.
Oh wow, if it’s that easy, why doesn’t every school do it??? Who would have thought the solution was so simple?Consistent national success is unlikely for any given school. Until it isn't. There were factors against Duke, Gonzaga, Nova, Virginia, etc etc. Those factors were overcome by... top coaching.
And, so did Gonzaga...and Butler...and MSU...and Villanova...and, MANY other schools that have yet somehow found a way to achieve it by way of a truly ELITE HC.And as has been discussed Painter/Purdue have a number of factors working against it that make consistent national success unlikely.
The solution is indeed simple in that there is a common denominator in each case, a genuine elite HC...which is precisely the point that so many people/posters have tried to make during the course of this thread.Oh wow, if it’s that easy, why doesn’t every school do it??? Who would have thought the solution was so simple?
It is not easy to find an elite coach. I neither said nor even implied that it was.Oh wow, if it’s that easy, why doesn’t every school do it??? Who would have thought the solution was so simple?
That was never the point of this entire thread or conversation...It is not easy to find an elite coach. I neither said nor even implied that it was.
I'm curious to know what a "destination" school is as well? Does that mean geographical destination or a blue blood program like UK ,Duke, UNC?How is Illinois a "destination school"? How is Gonzaga a "destination school"? How is Villanova a "destination school"? Give me a break...
Essentially, what you're saying is that Painter is the best possible coach Purdue could ever get, no coach would be an improvement and that we should just be satisfied (settle). Is that correct?You don’t get very much credibility when you say Cronin has been to the championship game (he hasn’t) and that he has had UCLA in the top 25 for “several years”. He’s only been at UCLA for 2 years. UCLA makes him a better recruiter. He didn’t do shit at Cincinnati. UCLA tried to get Painter after they failed to get Calipari before they had to settle for Cronin.
Hamilton can’t hold a candle to Painter. Laughable to consider him a better coach.
You have an overinflated view of what Purdue basketball is capable of. We have been very fortunate to have Painter and Keady for the last 40+ years. Both coaches have overachieved vs what should be expected.
Wow....you're definitely a pessimist. I'm curious what you do for a living?Our average here is so much lower than what Keady and Painter have given us. We will never recruit at a higher level than we have under them. They get the most out of their players though.
Lavin went to 5 Sweet 16s and an Elite 8 in seven seasons at UCLA.
God, I hope not. I hope MBob has the vision to realize that we need a cultural and philosophical change for Purdue basketball. 42 years with 2 head coaches (who are very similar in many ways) and 0 FF or NCs at what most would consider to be a very solid Bball program should be cause for change of philosophy.My personal guess would be that Painter hand picks his replacement, and we keep chugging along with man to man D and motion offense, with similar results that we have now.
No beach?And as has been discussed Painter/Purdue have a number of factors working against it that make consistent national success unlikely.
So you want to risk it all on the very very small chance our next coach is “elite”? Hazel 2.0 incoming.The solution is indeed simple in that there is a common denominator in each case, a genuine elite HC...which is precisely the point that so many people/posters have tried to make during the course of this thread.
My guess is that Jay Wright...Brad Stevens...Tom Izzo...Mark Few...those guys have the same success in West Lafayette that they have had where they are/were...so, a truly elite HC will overcome those ALLEGED "number of factors" preventing Gene Keady and Matt Painter from having experienced the same.
My guess as well is that if Gene Keady or Matt Painter were the HC at Gonzaga...or Butler...or MSU...or Villanova...that, those same schools do not have the same success that they have had, and, at best, they have what Purdue has had with them...and I am not even sure that happens at some of those places (namely Gonzaga and Butler).
I’m saying it’s not likely we hire a better coach. He’s already top 10-15 at his profession.Essentially, what you're saying is that Painter is the best possible coach Purdue could ever get, no coach would be an improvement and that we should just be satisfied (settle). Is that correct?
Real Estate investing.Wow....you're definitely a pessimist. I'm curious what you do for a living?
If Scott Drew came to Purdue, would the recruiting change? How about Izzo?
Yes, I kind of do. I'd like to see what someone from outside of Purdue can do with the culture and with the commitment to make Purdue a perennial FF contender like MSU.So you want to risk it all on the very very small chance our next coach is “elite”? Hazel 2.0 incoming.
Do you have a source to back up the Top 10-15 claim?I’m saying it’s not likely we hire a better coach. He’s already top 10-15 at his profession.
Then you're just blindly loyal to Painter if you don't believe anyone would do better at Purdue than he has.Real Estate investing.
No, I don’t believe Drew or Izzo would improve recruiting.
Poor idea.Yes, I kind of do. I'd like to see what someone from outside of Purdue can do with the culture and with the commitment to make Purdue a perennial FF contender like MSU.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Read the rest of the thread.Do you have a source to back up the Top 10-15 claim?
What's it based on?
Did I say no one could do better? There is a very small chance we find that person that can do better, though.Then you're just blindly loyal to Painter if you don't believe anyone would do better at Purdue than he has.
And to be fair, we won't know either way until he's gone and the new guy takes over. But saying that no one would do better is short sighted. However, what we can do is compare schools in similar circumstances and see how they've done.
I think it can be argued that schools like Baylor, Oregon, Nova, and even MSU are in similar circumstances as Purdue but their HC have had more success.
I'll always be a Boiler but what would it say about Purdue BB if Butler returned to a F4 sooner than Purdue?So go be a fan of Gonzaga, we won't miss you.
Do you think Butler or Purdue has a better shot at a Final 4 in the years to come?I'll always be a Boiler but what would it say about Purdue BB if Butler returned to a F4 sooner than Purdue?
Did I say no one could do better? There is a very small chance we find that person that can do better, though.
I’ll try to put it to you in real estate terms. What we currently have with Painter is a property that is cash flowing at a high level. You want to sell that off and take a chance on a riskier property like a property in the Metaverse. There is a small chance that would be a better investment, but the chance of striking out is far greater. The grass is not always greener on the other side.
Do you think iu or Purdue has a better shot?Do you think Butler or Purdue has a better shot at a Final 4 in the years to come?
Yes I’ve been to Vegas, and yes I gamble. I would not gamble if my job depended on it.Have you ever been to Vegas? If so, did you gamble or just attend some shows?
Painter is what he is and we know what we're getting with him. He's been a solid coach and representative of Purdue. He wins a lot of pre-conference and conference games, but struggles in a tourney setting.
Is he the best Purdue can get? Will Purdue have more success when we eventually get a new coach? Maybe, maybe not, impossible to know at this point. It will eventually happen, possibly in the next 5 years or so. Then we'll see how committed Purdue is to being more than a solid B10 program.
Than Butler? Absolutely.Do you think iu or Purdue has a better shot?
Your sense of elite/premier/high level is warped...Did I say no one could do better? There is a very small chance we find that person that can do better, though.
I’ll try to put it to you in real estate terms. What we currently have with Painter is a property that is cash flowing at a high level. You want to sell that off and take a chance on a riskier property like a property in the Metaverse. There is a small chance that would be a better investment, but the chance of striking out is far greater. The grass is not always greener on the other side.
There have been multiple posters calling for him to be replaced. Bonefish is one.Your sense of elite/premier/high level is warped...
Painter is a really good coach and has done a nice job certainly, but, he has missed out on some golden opportunities to have done much better (and, had some really bad luck at times that ruined other such opportunities).
That said, the chances of him reaching a FF/winning a National Championship were pretty remote pre-NIL, and, almost zero post-NIL.
That could be similar with other coaches...but, not necessarily with genuinely elite ones (which was the entire point of the thread).
Nobody at any point has debated whether he is a good Head Coach or not, nor called for him to be replaced...but, the whole notion that he is the best that Purdue could have done or could do is definitely debatable, if not very much debatable.
Agree on the first point...although, I still believe he is closer to being done that many/most believe or want to think.11 pages! Have we now exhausted this repetative topic? Every year we go through this same wash-rinse-repeat cycle.
Let's simply this whole deal:
1. Painter is not going anywhere
2. He is one rebound/free throw away from a FF, and this board is one rebond/free throw away from "Painter can make the FF, but he can't win the NC".
3. Each year we field a competative, exciting team that is really fun to watch
4. Are there better coaches out there than Painter? Maybe/maybe not. We will not know until Matt retires.
Can we now put this mess away until next year? We have way too many fun things happening around the BIG to dwell any further on this.
I agree. The facilities are decent for the relatively small complement of varsity sports.Morgan Burke Acquatic Center has attracted Olympic caliber divers. The Loeb Stadium for baseball looks nice. The Golf Complex has good reviews. Maybe good we have these in place now in this environment. More $ towards Bball and Football going forward.
Morgan Burke Acquatic Center has attracted Olympic caliber divers. The Loeb Stadium for baseball looks nice. The Golf Complex has good reviews. Maybe good we have these in place now in this environment. More $ towards Bball and Football going forward.
I believe Kampen was always Pete Dye. He recently re-designed AckermanGetting the late Pete Dye involved to re-design the Kampen course was a very good move, IMO.....naturally, it won't have the revenue-generating potential of the flagship sports of football and basketball.
In current Boiler golf news.....Adam Schenk made the cut @ the FedEx St. Jude Championship in Memphis (the first playoff event). He'll need a big finish to move up in the standings and qualify for the next event (top 70 move on). On a side note, maybe he needs to rethink the surname, which phonetically is not great for a professional golfer.
I believe Kampen was always Pete Dye. He recently re-designed Ackerman