CMP/Purdue Choke Program of The Decade...

[BoilerInChiTown]

Hard to argue and he does make some very good points. I've said it for a long time, CMP is too comfortable and too stubborn to change...and now the choker of the decade.

Purdue is the choke artist program of the decade after another March Madness implosion

When Friday's game was in the balance, Fairleigh Dickinson never wavered. Purdue ran, hid and hoped FDU would collapse.

www.usatoday.com

 

[dlaird8]

Wow.

 

[dlaird8]

Hopefully this loss lights a fire under painters rear end. He needs to realize that he needs more athletic players.

 

[CaryQuadDogg]

This article is spot on. We are the choke artists of the decade and the laughing stock of the big dance. But this is also the best 5 years of Purdue basketball ever and we have nothing but high quality talent coming in the next couple years, so all we can do is keep taking our shot.

 

[DG Boiler]

Wow.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion that Painter should not be fired. Three straight finishes like that, and it's time to move on. I am not even looking forward to next year. I honestly doubt I will watch if he's still at the helm. What's the point of expending that much energy to completely collapse at the end?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Hard to argue and he does make some very good points. I've said it for a long time, CMP is too comfortable and too stubborn to change...and now the choker of the decade.

Purdue is the choke artist program of the decade after another March Madness implosion

When Friday's game was in the balance, Fairleigh Dickinson never wavered. Purdue ran, hid and hoped FDU would collapse.

www.usatoday.com

Well said. With each choke, the pressure increases for the next NCAA.

 

[beenhummeled?]

Hopefully this loss lights a fire under painters rear end. He needs to realize that he needs more athletic players.

Like the lottery pick we had last year that lost to a 15 seed?
It’s not the players.

 

[dlaird8]

Like the lottery pick we had last year that lost to a 15 seed?
It’s not the players.

Ivey couldn’t shoot. And neither could any other player on the team. Stefanovich was essentially loyer.

 

[CaryQuadDogg]

Like the lottery pick we had last year that lost to a 15 seed?
It’s not the players.

Yea it is. Painter didn’t shoot 5 of 26 from three. I know 3rd grade teams that could shoot better from beyond the arc.

 

[clankhan]

I still do not understand why people still defend Painter. I think it really is time we move on and try to find someone else. It's not because of the fact he lost, but the fact that his teams (except for 2018-2019) have this commonality come crunch time / when it matters most:
1) Players get too apprehensive about taking shots, being creative or about screwing up in general.
2) He only knows how to play the game one way and refuses to at least TRY and adjust. (Why didn't we try zone at least once? why not push the tempo before their defense gets set? Even the broadcasters were getting frustrated and I believe it was Seth Davis that we heard yelling at Purdue to push the pace and hurry up)
3) We more often than not play into the other team's game plan vs the other way around.

I think someone should get a petition going just so people (including those on this board) can get a glimpse of how unhappy the fanbase is.

Just from recent memory:

2023: Lost to #16 seed
2022: Lost to #15 seed
2021: Lost to #13 seed
2019: Choked away a trip to the Final Four by substituting in 6'6" walk-on Grady Eifert to grab a rebound vs 6'9" Aaron Wheeler or 6'10" Trevion Williams

 

[clankhan]

Yea it is. Painter didn’t shoot 5 of 26 from three. I know 3rd grade teams that could shoot better from beyond the arc.

1) He recruited them
2) He coached and developed them
3) Everyone not named Zach Edey today looked petrified of taking a shot. Why is that?
4) We have several players on this roster (Newman, Loyer, Jenkins for starters) that DO have a track record of being decent 3 point turn into brick chuckers after spending time playing for Purdue. Why is that?

Painter has a track record of bringing on players that were good offensive players in high school and turning them into players that are either 1) scared to shoot 2) can't shoot after reaching the next level or 3) transfer.

Why is that?

Ever put 2 and 2 together and wonder why top recruits don't want to come here?

I have been a JPC member for a while but will not be renewing this year. I suggest everyone NOT HAPPY with Painter to do something similar.

 

[CaryQuadDogg]

1) He recruited them
2) He coached and developed them
3) Everyone not named Zach Edey today looked petrified of taking a shot. Why is that?
4) We have several players on this roster (Newman, Loyer, Jenkins for starters) that DO have a track record of being decent 3 point turn into brick chuckers after spending time playing for Purdue. Why is that?

Painter has a track record of bringing on players that were good offensive players in high school and turning them into players that are either 1) scared to shoot 2) can't shoot after reaching the next level or 3) transfer.

Why is that?

Ever put 2 and 2 together and wonder why top recruits don't want to come here?

I have been a JPC member for a while but will not be renewing this year. I suggest everyone NOT HAPPY with Painter to do something similar.

Wow I really didn’t think such complete dim bulbs could be Purdue fans. Hopefully your degree is from IUPUI.

You really want to blame Painter for players clanking threes and not getting the ball to the national player of the year in the most important game of the year? Fine. Let’s fire him.

Who on earth are you going to bring into Purdue that is going to recruit better players and coach better big ten teams than Painter? You can’t win the tournament if you don’t even make it.

 

[beenhummeled?]

Ivey couldn’t shoot. And neither could any other player on the team. Stefanovich was essentially loyer.

Yea it is. Painter didn’t shoot 5 of 26 from three. I know 3rd grade teams that could shoot better from beyond the

Yea it is. Painter didn’t shoot 5 of 26 from three. I know 3rd grade teams that could shoot better from beyond the arc.

Guess what…FDU doubled and tripled Edey because they wanted us to chuck 3’s because the scouting report said we don’t make them. Painter, who is the coach, should have a plan to combat that. He got out schemed by a coach in his first of D1. Stop making excuses, this is 3 years in a row.

 

[CaryQuadDogg]

Guess what…FDU doubled and tripled Edey because they wanted us to chuck 3’s because the scouting report said we don’t make them. Painter, who is the coach, should have a plan to combat that. He got out schemed by a coach in his first of D1. Stop making excuses, this is 3 years in a row.

Yep, that’s exactly what happened. Let’s fire Painter and bring in the FDU coach.

 

[clankhan]

Wow I really didn’t think such complete dim bulbs could be Purdue fans. Hopefully your degree is from IUPUI.

You really want to blame Painter for players clanking threes and not getting the ball to the national player of the year in the most important game of the year? Fine. Let’s fire him.

Who on earth are you going to bring into Purdue that is going to recruit better players and coach better big ten teams than Painter? You can win the tournament if you don’t even make it.

Ha, resorts to name calling but I'll bite anyways.

Yes it is Painter's fault that we lost even though it was his players that were "clanking threes", mainly because:

1) he recruited said players
2) he coached said players
3) his gameplan only allowed for the game to be won if said players would hit the threes (vs mixing it up and trying something new)
4) the body language of everybody out there demonstrated (at least to me) that his players are playing scared. why is that? (do you ever see Izzo's or Beard's teams playing scared?)
5) we lose the same way year after year.
6) we adjust to lesser opponents, not force them to do the other way around.
7) having too tight of a leash on potentially high impact players (such as Newman and Jenkins) that also have a prone for error.

 

[clankhan]

Guess what…FDU doubled and tripled Edey because they wanted us to chuck 3’s because the scouting report said we don’t make them. Painter, who is the coach, should have a plan to combat that. He got out schemed by a coach in his first of D1. Stop making excuses, this is 3 years in a row.

Remember when UCF played Duke during that Carsen / Cline run in 2019? I think they had a 7'4" guy IIRC and Duke was having a hard time containing him even WITH three NBA lottery picks. Why is that?

Was that UCF team more talented than our team?

 

[CaryQuadDogg]

Ha, resorts to name calling but I'll bite anyways.

Yes it is Painter's fault that we lost even though it was his players that were "clanking threes", mainly because:

1) he recruited said players
2) he coached said players
3) his gameplan only allowed for the game to be won if said players would hit the threes (vs mixing it up and trying something new)
4) the body language of everybody out there demonstrated (at least to me) that his players are playing scared. why is that? (do you ever see Izzo's or Beard's teams playing scared?)
5) we lose the same way year after year.
6) we adjust to lesser opponents, not force them to do the other way around.
7) having too tight of a leash on potentially high impact players (such as Newman and Jenkins) that also have a prone for error.

Agree 100% on all points. It was completely obvious in the first 10 mins of this game that we were done.

So let’s can Painter. Who should we bring in that will come to Purdue and do a better job than him?

 

[clankhan]

Agree 100% on all points. It was completely obvious in the first 10 mins of this game that we were done.

So let’s can Painter. Who should we bring in that will come to Purdue and do a beret bib than him?

Honestly we won't know until we try. Even a "sure fire" hire like Shaka was quite underwhelming during his tenure at Texas.

 

[beenhummeled?]

Yep, that’s exactly what happened. Let’s fire Painter and bring in

Yep, that’s exactly what happened. Let’s fire Painter and bring in the FDU coach.

In March…I’ll take anyone but Painter.

 

[dlaird8]

Yeah. Let’s can the guy who gets us in the tourney every year. Can the guy who overachieved with a young backcourt. We honestly shouldn’t have gotten to this point this season. Any other coach and Purdue doesn’t do this well.

 

[dlaird8]

Honestly we won't know until we try. Even a "sure fire" hire like Shaka was quite underwhelming during his tenure at Texas.

Shaka sucks. Overrated

 

[clankhan]

In March…I’ll take anyone but Painter.

Did you hear some of the talking heads shouting (at the team) to push the pace? I'd take them over him in a heartbeat.

 

[clankhan]

Yeah. Let’s can the guy who gets us in the tourney every year. Can the guy who overachieved with a young backcourt. We honestly shouldn’t have gotten to this point this season. Any other coach and Purdue doesn’t do this well.

Sure, that's this season. What about last season? or EVERY SEASON outside of our 2019 run? (which he also screwed up by subbing in a 6'6" walk on vs our best rebounder in Trevion)

 

[dlaird8]

Ha, resorts to name calling but I'll bite anyways.

Yes it is Painter's fault that we lost even though it was his players that were "clanking threes", mainly because:

1) he recruited said players
2) he coached said players
3) his gameplan only allowed for the game to be won if said players would hit the threes (vs mixing it up and trying something new)
4) the body language of everybody out there demonstrated (at least to me) that his players are playing scared. why is that? (do you ever see Izzo's or Beard's teams playing scared?)
5) we lose the same way year after year.
6) we adjust to lesser opponents, not force them to do the other way around.
7) having too tight of a leash on potentially high impact players (such as Newman and Jenkins) that also have a prone for error.

Or this team is

Sure, that's this season. What about last season? or EVERY SEASON outside of our 2019 run? (which he also screwed up by subbing in a 6'6" walk on vs our best rebounder in Trevion)

are you talking about virginias divine intervention run? Which started with us. So much luck in this tourney it’s insane.

 

[dlaird8]

Or this team is

are you talking about virginias divine intervention run? Which started with us. So much luck in this tourney it’s insane.

Eifert got the rebound which should have sealed the deal. Then Clark made a 1 in a million pass. The same Clark this year pulled one of the worst passes in tourney history.

 

[dlaird8]

I don’t wanna go thru s coach rebuild like IU did. IU is gonna suck next year.

 

[clankhan]

Or this team is

are you talking about virginias divine intervention run? Which started with us. So much luck in this tourney it’s insane.

Eifert got the rebound which should have sealed the deal. Then Clark made a 1 in a million pass. The same Clark this year pulled one of the worst passes in tourney history.

Eifert did not grab the rebound. In fact, the UVA player snatched it from right above his outstretched hands.

Would he have done that if Wheeler or Williams was in instead?

Responding made me actually remember something that we almost forgot: Painter likes to put in his 'coach's pets' vs playing (and developing) players that show the most potential.

 

[clankhan]

I don’t wanna go thru s coach rebuild like IU did. IU is gonna suck next year.

It's kind of like having a CEO of a company that is trying to grow but has stagnated and can't seem to get over the same hump year after year.

Are we (as fans and as an organization) happy enough with our program?
OR
Are we UNHAPPY enough that we are willing to roll the dice on a successor?

I am strongly leaning towards the latter.

 

[beenhummeled?]

Shaka sucks. Overrated

I remember when that guy you say sucks was an 11 seed and ran Painter’s team off the court on the way to a final four

 

[clankhan]

I remember when that guy you say sucks was an 11 seed and ran Painter’s team off the court on the way to a final four

"TOP PLAYERS DON'T WANT TO COME HERE BECAUSE... OF THE ACADEMICS!"

Remember that quote whenever we struck out on a coveted recruit?

 

[beenhummeled?]

It's kind of like having a CEO of a company that is trying to grow but has stagnated and can't seem to get over the same hump year after year.

Are we (as fans and as an organization) happy enough with our program?
OR
Are we UNHAPPY enough that we are willing to roll the dice on a successor?

I am strongly leaning towards the latter.

I would certainly roll the dice, as long as the dice being rolled contained no one with Purdue ties

 

[dlaird8]

I remember when that guy you say sucks was an 11 seed and ran Painter’s team off the court on the way to a final four

What has Shaka done since?

 

[dlaird8]

What has Shaka done since?

Waiting

 

[dlaird8]

Waiting

Did he get in the tourney every year? Overachieve with a team?

 

[beenhummeled?]

Did he get in the tourney every year? Overachieve with a team?

I’m not making a case for Shaka. Only stating that using him as an example of a coach that sucks is not a good example. He overachieved with an 11 seed and ran the guy that you are defending off the court. Painter’s team was a 3 seed that year.

 

[indyogb]

Did you hear some of the talking heads shouting (at the team) to push the pace? I'd take them over him in a heartbeat.

In a way, hearing legitimate basketball 'experts' (for lack of a better term) say that is a bit reassuring. I used to wonder why we don't 'attack' a press more. It has been explained to me that Painter (and Keady before him) did not want to increase the pace of the game for a variety of reasons, including defensive concerns, lack of athletes or ballhandlers, and to make the other team work harder. I understand that reasoning, but I was always coached to "attack" when pressed and I can't recall any other coaches saying differently. If you're going to turn the ball over 16 times and lose to 16 seed, the alternative can't be much worse, can it?

 

[dlaird8]

Waiting

Did he get in the tourney every year? Overachieve with a team

I’m not making a case for Shaka. Only stating that using him as an example of a coach that sucks is not a good example. He overachieved with an 11 seed and ran the guy that you are defending off the court. Painter’s team was a 3 seed that year.

you mean the same thing that happens to 3-4 seeds every year? This tourney is always a bs crapshoot. The format sucks.

 

[clankhan]

Did he get in the tourney every year? Overachieve with a team

you mean the same thing that happens to 3-4 seeds every year? This tourney is always a bs crapshoot. The format sucks.

BS crapshoot that somehow always ends up with us not only losing but doing so in a HISTORICALLY horrific way.

Let me guess: "everyone else does that"?

 

[dlaird8]

BS crapshoot that somehow always ends up with us not only losing but doing so in a HISTORICALLY horrific way.

Let me guess: "everyone else does that"?

Yeah they do. Every year.

 

[clankhan]

Yeah they do. Every year.

Oh, like who? Be sure to describe everyone you know of that does that consistently and in great detail