Briles out at Baylor....would you hire him at Purdue?

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

one of those guys who built a program from depths further down than Purdue but clearly has some baggage AND may only be a coach who can succeed in the south.

Would you be behind a a rules hire at Purdue, if given the chance?

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Hell No, because of the serious nature of what he did!

 

[ahhculdee]

On a serious note can we lure away Mike Leach from WSU, since he is essentially football Donald Trump and literally does not give a crap.

#MakeBoilerFootballFunAgain

 

[BoilerBiker]

We could be a modern day 'the U' of the north

 

[Travisty13]

On a serious note can we lure away Mike Leach from WSU, since he is essentially football Donald Trump and literally does not give a crap.

#MakeBoilerFootballFunAgain

Ironically, people will say "hell no" to Briles, but know which team leads the NCAA in arrests? Mike Leach and WSU. Everyone wants Sumlin, well A&M is 3rd in arrests. And just to prove Hazell can at least compete in something, Purdue is 19th. That data is from Aug. 2015 though.

I'd take Briles in a heartbeat. To think he'd let something like this happen at 2 places is crazy. This was a failure from the coaches, all the way up to AD and president. Briles is a proven winner and is innovative. And for those on the moral bandwagon, if you think this only happens at Baylor, with the cover ups of rape, violence, etc., well they are just being naive. Guarantee this happens at most places, as disgusting as that is.

Just a side note I found interesting, research has said that if you want to cut down on rape at a school, they should get rid of football.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/da...n-between-college-football-and-rape-on-campus

 

[pboiler18]

id rather perpetually lose than hire a scumbag like this.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Arrests are dependent on the seriousness of the law broken. In Briles cases they were VERY serious , Very often and Very swept under the rug!

 

[Travisty13]

Arrests are dependent on the seriousness of the law broken. In Briles cases they were VERY serious , Very often and Very swept under the rug!

Actually according to the data I provided earlier, there were few arrests actually. 7 total in a 5 year span ending in August of 2015. The seriousness of it all was the lack of punishment and arrests from anyone at Baylor towards the football players, which all came out as a cover up. I bet FSU has just as many serious crimes in that span as Baylor. But some (guarantee not all) came to light.

Here's the arrest data I keep mentioning:
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...sted-college-football-teams-in-america-081815

And here's a website dedicated solely to sports arrests:
http://arrestnation.com

 

[RDUBoiler]

A few arrests are one thing. Covering up for rape and assault is entirely different. Briles says it's "hurtful" that he can't meet with his players. Maybe he can think about what his players did to other people and consider whether it hurt them.

Ken Starr's punishment should be more severe as well.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

one of those guys who built a program from depths further down than Purdue but clearly has some baggage AND may only be a coach who can succeed in the south.

Would you be behind a a rules hire at Purdue, if given the chance?

I don't see what Coach Briles did wrong?
Sincerely,
Tom Izzo

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Ironically, people will say "hell no" to Briles, but know which team leads the NCAA in arrests? Mike Leach and WSU. Everyone wants Sumlin, well A&M is 3rd in arrests. And just to prove Hazell can at least compete in something, Purdue is 19th. That data is from Aug. 2015 though.

I'd take Briles in a heartbeat. To think he'd let something like this happen at 2 places is crazy. This was a failure from the coaches, all the way up to AD and president. Briles is a proven winner and is innovative. And for those on the moral bandwagon, if you think this only happens at Baylor, with the cover ups of rape, violence, etc., well they are just being naive. Guarantee this happens at most places, as disgusting as that is.

Just a side note I found interesting, research has said that if you want to cut down on rape at a school, they should get rid of football.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/da...n-between-college-football-and-rape-on-campus

Thanks for pointing this out..the hidden agenda in my post is ousted!

 

[ahhculdee]

Ironically, people will say "hell no" to Briles, but know which team leads the NCAA in arrests? Mike Leach and WSU. Everyone wants Sumlin, well A&M is 3rd in arrests. And just to prove Hazell can at least compete in something, Purdue is 19th. That data is from Aug. 2015 though.

I'd take Briles in a heartbeat. To think he'd let something like this happen at 2 places is crazy. This was a failure from the coaches, all the way up to AD and president. Briles is a proven winner and is innovative. And for those on the moral bandwagon, if you think this only happens at Baylor, with the cover ups of rape, violence, etc., well they are just being naive. Guarantee this happens at most places, as disgusting as that is.

Just a side note I found interesting, research has said that if you want to cut down on rape at a school, they should get rid of football.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/da...n-between-college-football-and-rape-on-campus

The media gets too much money from Bama, Ohio States, and Michigan's of the world for it to happen to them.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I also wanted to point out that there have been some in here calling for a win at all costs attitude and it is refreshing to see a university say their standing as an academic institution is more important than their money making football program. I'd like to see if Briles was an instrument in sweeping things away or if it was an administrator. Ultimately, it is his program and he is responsible. If it comes back he had a hand, he should receive a show-cause penalty of a least 5 years.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Just got done reading all the material available on ESPN and I have a hard time believing that Briles should be the only one to lose his job. I didn't read anything in the reports of Briles covering or sweeping things under the rug. Now, that's not to say it didn't happen but the he articles reference administration and other university officials as being informed of the issues. However, all other people associated with this issue hav been reassigned within Baylor and haven't lost their job while Briles was fired. Seems to me that Briles has become a bit of a fall guy for those at the top to maintain their jobs. All those who are part of this issue SHOULD lose their jobs.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Given Baylor's history, I don't feel it as too refreshing.
probably felt they had to at least get rid of the main positions just for emphasis in the public eye (whether they and/or others were more involved)

 

[OhioBoiler3]

Hell no.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Hell no.

he could join the Fixer Upper couple on their endevours, wonder how this will affect his kids rep.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Just got done reading all the material available on ESPN and I have a hard time believing that Briles should be the only one to lose his job. I didn't read anything in the reports of Briles covering or sweeping things under the rug. Now, that's not to say it didn't happen but the he articles reference administration and other university officials as being informed of the issues. However, all other people associated with this issue hav been reassigned within Baylor and haven't lost their job while Briles was fired. Seems to me that Briles has become a bit of a fall guy for those at the top to maintain their jobs. All those who are part of this issue SHOULD lose their jobs.

My question is:
Why is it that the football program is the group to first meet with victims and families bringing these allegations?

These are criminal cases. Rapes?
Why is the sports program expected to act as the police?

Contact police! This isn't academic fraud. Contact the proper authorities as it is a criminal case. Stupid on the university to even be the first to address this.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

My question is:
Why is it that the football program is the group to first meet with victims and families bringing these allegations?

These are criminal cases. Rapes?
Why is the sports program expected to act as the police?

Contact police! This isn't academic fraud. Contact the proper authorities as it is a criminal case. Stupid on the university to even be the first to address this.

This is sort of my feeling on the matter as well. I'm not sure why the coach is expected to act as the police. Unless he did something criminal (covering up, paying victims to remain quiet, etc), what more do you want him to do? Even if he kicks the kid out of the program, would be still be on the hook of the kid went out and raped again? If that's the case, Joe Tiller should be on the hook for Kyle Williams assault spree here in the mid 2000's. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have been fired in this situation...but I can't really see any connection to what could have been a fireable offense. Someone is more than welcome to enlighten me if anything else has come up since the initial story ran. If anything, shouldn't the police be questioned more heavily since they obviously knew about the incident (from my reading) and did nothing to prevent another attack? I am in NO WAY downplaying the incidents and all those who were effected...I feel incredibly sorry for them and any person who goes through any sort of assault...but it seems other individuals let these incidents continue to happen and not the head coach.

 

[Gemini95]

Ab.so.lute.ly

We should have been in Waco the day he was fired wining and dining him.

 

[banshee90]

We aren't attracting top candidates. Pick him up and put him under extreme scrutiny. These type of stuff is always much bigger than the coach see penn state.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

one of those guys who built a program from depths further down than Purdue but clearly has some baggage AND may only be a coach who can succeed in the south.

Would you be behind a a rules hire at Purdue, if given the chance?

If there's no proof Briles actively worked to cover up crimes, then I would at least give him a look. Do your due diligence, turn over some rocks, etc, but beggars can't be choosers.

 

[TC4THREE]

I'd have to know more about the Baylor situation and his role in it before making a decision. I honestly only have a very high level understanding of what went on down there. If he was a significant part of the problem then I would not. If he was merely a scapegoat that got caught in the crossfire then I might consider it.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I'd have to know more about the Baylor situation and his role in it before making a decision. I honestly only have a very high level understanding of what went on down there. If he was a significant part of the problem then I would not. If he was merely a scapegoat that got caught in the crossfire then I might consider it.

I think he is some what in the middle. The former Baylor president came out and said he was a 'players coach' which coupled with Briles statements tells me he may have had something to do with stepping up to the plate for a kid and backing him...which does look terrible when that player inevitably goes out and assaults some one...but doesn't look like he did any sweeping under the rug. If the was Briles doing, he would have been hung out to dry by himself.

 

[Travisty13]

Here is Briles’ statement in full, via News 10:

"Baylor Nation,

My heart goes out to the victims for the pain that they have endured. Sexual assault has no place on our campus or in our society. As a father of two daughters, a grandfather, and a husband, my prayers are with the victims of this type of abuse, wherever they are. After 38 years of coaching, I have certainly made mistakes and, in hindsight, I would have done certain things differently. I always strive to be a better coach, a better father and husband, and a better person.

Keep in mind, the complete scope of what happened here has not been disclosed and unfortunately at this time I am contractually obligated to remain silent on the matter. The report prepared by Pepper Hamilton, the law firm hired and paid for by Baylor’s Board of Regents, has not been shared with me directly, despite my full cooperation with the investigation. I can only assume that the report, which is not independent, supports the conclusions that the Board has already drawn. I hope to share with you what I was aware of as soon as I can so Baylor Nation can begin the healing process.

I have the utmost admiration for Baylor University, its community, and its important mission. I am truly grateful for having had the chance to coach hundreds of young student athletes at this University. I am deeply humbled for having had the opportunity to be a part of Baylor Nation.

Coach Art Briles"


That was the statement he released. Sounds like he wants to come out tell what he did and didn't know, but at the moment isn't contractually allowed to do so.

 

[BoilerBiker]

if there was only one player and incident, that maybe would be in briles favor i guess.
but it doesn't appear to be with i think 9 women with reports dating back to 2009, players with various issues w/the law (both recruited and continuing to play).
i imagine the latest story was the final-straw/culmination.
not sure how much longer they would go just from a PR standpoint, considering baylor's other past terrible situations too.
the staff could no longer give the bobby bowden/tim wilson "yeah, but they're good kids!"

some other starters/top recruits:
andrews
bryan
dixon
dorsey
elliot
gordon
oakman
orakpo
rhodes
seastrunk
stonum

 

[Like_a_Boss]

Purdue will hire someone on the cheap, once we don't owe DH another penny.

I don't see us buying him out this year, because that will cost $$$$$.

 

[Bippus33]

Just got done reading all the material available on ESPN and I have a hard time believing that Briles should be the only one to lose his job. I didn't read anything in the reports of Briles covering or sweeping things under the rug. Now, that's not to say it didn't happen but the he articles reference administration and other university officials as being informed of the issues. However, all other people associated with this issue hav been reassigned within Baylor and haven't lost their job while Briles was fired. Seems to me that Briles has become a bit of a fall guy for those at the top to maintain their jobs. All those who are part of this issue SHOULD lose their jobs.

I agree to a point, I was once in a position that investigated a sexually abusive assistant coach and those that knew what was going on insulated the head coach from the issues.....When head coach was made aware the assistant was gonzo!!! In Briles case, the tirades of his payers played out over several months and with media attention that accumulated to the point that it snuffed him out.

 

[nagemj02]

Purdue will hire someone on the cheap, once we don't owe DH another penny.

I don't see us buying him out this year, because that will cost $$$$$.

Burke should be gone by autumn or, at the least, a new AD should be in place.

 

[asby]

One name...Joe Paterno

 

[Gemini95]

One name...Joe Paterno

Would take him even today over current staff

 

[Gemini95]

Ab.so.lute.ly

We should have been in Waco the day he was fired wining and dining him.

Still yes

 

[SNLPatButch]

one of those guys who built a program from depths further down than Purdue but clearly has some baggage AND may only be a coach who can succeed in the south.

Would you be behind a a rules hire at Purdue, if given the chance?

Does a bear shi+ in the woods!!!!?

 

[ghostoffatjack]

My answer is still a resounding HELL NO, from the top down, President of the University, Athletic Director and Head Coach are all gone for their parts in trying to sweep this very serious issue under the rug! Similar to the very serious issue at PSU, which in both cases they all knew and did NOTHING to protect the women and children in their respective cases!

 

[FirstDownB]

My answer is still a resounding HELL NO, from the top down, President of the University, Athletic Director and Head Coach are all gone for their parts in trying to sweep this very serious issue under the rug! Similar to the very serious issue at PSU, which in both cases they all knew and did NOTHING to protect the women and children in their respective cases!

You just argued against your own position. Both Baylor and Penn State problems involved (required) "top down" corruption/cover-up from above the head coaching position. Now take the two most powerful variables (President and AD) out of the equation and replace them with the compliance environment he'd be working under at Purdue.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

I don't think I did at all three covered it up and all three are gone!

 

[buygreekbonds]

My question is:
Why is it that the football program is the group to first meet with victims and families bringing these allegations?

These are criminal cases. Rapes?
Why is the sports program expected to act as the police?

Contact police! This isn't academic fraud. Contact the proper authorities as it is a criminal case. Stupid on the university to even be the first to address this.

BINGO, you are exactly right. If someone is the victim of a crime, they should go to the police. If the administration tries to cover it up, fire the university president, which Baylor did.

What's the football coach supposed to do, organize a posse? Briles should simply stand back and allow the law enforcement officials to do their jobs with no interference. That's exactly what he did.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Notify the police, plain and simple! Just like educators are supposed to do and not the campus police!

 

[buygreekbonds]

Notify the police, plain and simple! Just like educators are supposed to do and not the campus police!

What are you talking about? The police were already notified. The victims reported the assaults to the cops, not to the football coaches.

Your comments make no sense at all.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Sorry they went through the school channels of a private school which the public cannot gain access to their records until a suit is brought against them, similar to ND's process! Baylor tried the old coverup and got caught!