I do not know much about the Briles case, so I can't comment. I do know an awful lot about the Paterno case and I know the Penn State Board of Trustees (BOT) had issues with Joe. One BOT hated Joe for not giving him more playing time and another BOT hated him for not giving his nephew more playing time. Another BOT hated him for not endorsing his run for the Governorship. With the medias' help the BOT was able to fire Joe (they did it with a phone call). The BOT then hired Freeh to write a report showing they had just cause to fire Joe. The BOT knowing this told the NCAA to make penalties in line with the Freeh Report. The BOT also said they will quickly pay all "victims". In the last few years, it has be proved the Freeh Report is inaccurate, as are the time table of several "victims".
Briles out at Baylor....would you hire him at Purdue?
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I just read up on Briles and he has an impressive record, as a coach. However, I would not hire him for his off the field record. I want to watch and root for kids who have character.
Therefore, for the record, I will not be happy to read posts this season blasting a coach or a player. I urge all who feel it is their duty to give constructive criticism to do it AFTER giving praise that admires the coach or player's good points.
Therefore, for the record, I will not be happy to read posts this season blasting a coach or a player. I urge all who feel it is their duty to give constructive criticism to do it AFTER giving praise that admires the coach or player's good points.
In that case, I would recommend you stay off this board between September and Novermber. Not gonna be pretty.
Unfortunately, "kids who have character" but not enough talent do not put butts in the seats, (see 17K in season ticket sales so far) and the AD winds up draining its cash reserves.
You must have missed the information released later that Joe Pa was informed numerous times very early in the scandal and passed the buck on doing anything! This came out about a week or so after the old guard players signed a petition to have his statue returned. He protected a child moles tot instead of the kids that were hurt, he never FIRED the coach IMO he failed miserably!
Ghost,
As I said, I understand the deal better than most. There is someone new who recently came out and he said he was abused. Right afterwards, holes were poked in his story. This is what happened with most of the "victims". Their timeline was off and then after meeting with the attorneys they were corrected. However, a journalist John Zeiglar, still was able to show the timelines did not mesh with other victims. He also showed other inconsistencies. My main contention is that if Matt and Alan were not "bought off", then the jury would not have been so intent on believing the "victims" against a "monster".
BTW, McQueary did say that he gave Joe a watered down version of what happened. If Joe fired him, Jerry could sue, as there was zero evidence or testimony of molestation. Joe did the right thing and reported it to superiors.
You spent too much time reading the media's slant and headlines and not researching the story.
As I said, I understand the deal better than most. There is someone new who recently came out and he said he was abused. Right afterwards, holes were poked in his story. This is what happened with most of the "victims". Their timeline was off and then after meeting with the attorneys they were corrected. However, a journalist John Zeiglar, still was able to show the timelines did not mesh with other victims. He also showed other inconsistencies. My main contention is that if Matt and Alan were not "bought off", then the jury would not have been so intent on believing the "victims" against a "monster".
BTW, McQueary did say that he gave Joe a watered down version of what happened. If Joe fired him, Jerry could sue, as there was zero evidence or testimony of molestation. Joe did the right thing and reported it to superiors.
You spent too much time reading the media's slant and headlines and not researching the story.
Dear New:
This is my point. You either want to root for top quality kids or you can pay for players of iffy character who can win. Even though my family almost all went to Purdue, my hero was Joe Paterno, as he won with quality kids on and off the field. Today this is a rarity.
This is my point. You either want to root for top quality kids or you can pay for players of iffy character who can win. Even though my family almost all went to Purdue, my hero was Joe Paterno, as he won with quality kids on and off the field. Today this is a rarity.
Please give me more information. The last info I noticed was a man saying he told Joe when Jerry was a coach. He mentioned telling another coach and it was proven that coach was not there at the time. Again, without evidence or testimony that a kid was molested, Joe can not fire anyone. McQueary never told Joe and if you can show proof of someone else I will be glad to examine it.
You can do the search yourself that includes JOE PA response I am getting ready for the football season don't bother me!
[QUOTE="ghostoffatjack, post: 1087223,Joe Pa was informed numerous times very early in the scandal and passed the buck on doing anything!
Why do you comment that I must have missed information released later and when pressed say that it was Joe's response? Joe died over 4 years ago, so he did not respond later. If you had been even slightly following the case, you would have known that Joe responded promptly to his superior, which is the exact right thing to do. His superiors followed up and did not find McQueary's testimony credible. His superiors then followed up with Sandusky's employers and these licensed professionals, who can spot a pedophile, let the matter drop. Why challenge me when I know the facts and you know next to nothing?[/QUOTE]
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The guy knows how to create a winning football program, which is something Purdue could really use!
Nope......
I predict two things.....
Hazell gets two more years
and
I predict our next coach is a SEC big time assistant or ex NFL Coach like Illinois did.
I liked Tiller, was a big fan of Hope (players coach which I liked) and I find Hazell is a good coach and man but too many losses stacked against him....
Just my thoughts.....
I predict two things.....
Hazell gets two more years
and
I predict our next coach is a SEC big time assistant or ex NFL Coach like Illinois did.
I liked Tiller, was a big fan of Hope (players coach which I liked) and I find Hazell is a good coach and man but too many losses stacked against him....
Just my thoughts.....
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There have been numerous news articles that have stated Paterno knew Sandusky was molesting and/or raping kids all the way back to at least 1976 and did not report it. In fact, one of the victims claimed that a family member of his tried to talk to Paterno and he responded with (paraphrasing), "I've got a football team to coach, I can't worry about stuff like that...". So, Paterno basically did not care that Sandusky was raping boys.
Thank you GBI for linking the Yahoo article today with Briles' comments, defending himself and expressing the desire to get back into coaching. Just a subtle nod in case anyone around Purdue is interested.. 
I saw this mentioned on college football live.Thank you GBI for linking the Yahoo article today with Briles' comments, defending himself and expressing the desire to get back into coaching. Just a subtle nod in case anyone around Purdue is interested..
They were pretty down on him for the simple reason of not taking any ownership of the situation as the leader of the team.
At minimum, he was still the guy who recruited and picked a number of guys with past issues, questionable character and it digs his PR hole even deeper
Have to agree a bit here. He needs to take accountability for bringing the players to campus and attempting to give those young men a chance to be built in to outstanding members of the Baylor community. His accountability some what ends there as he can't hold hands with 80 players at all times.
It is like students in my classroom. I can't force them to take their homework home, complete it, and bring it back. I can, however, give them every opportunity and teach them skills to be successful.
I don't know enough of the details surrounding Briles' dismissal to fairly judge whether or not he should fall on the sword. If his part in the ordeal was taking too many high risk 17&18 years olds and/or not monitoring their every move 24/7, or allowing the legal process to play out before suspending players, then I can understand why he is wanting to stand up for his name. Look at his recruiting rankings, typically in the 30's and 40's for a program performing in the Top 10. If he truly sold his soul in the recruiting game he certainly didn't get much for it.
At the end of the day you have to realize a few things: (1) Winning in this business is REALLY HARD (2) A coach who can win consistently at a non traditional power is EXTREMELY RARE commodity (3) If we expect a coach like that to come to Purdue we're going to have to accept one with a few scratches in the paint job. Otherwise guys like this will simply go elsewhere and succeed (see Leach at Wazzou) while we roll the dice on another up-and-comer. Me, I'd rather roll the dice on a football wizard like Briles and surround him with help on the non football side of things. Hopefully MBob has confidence enough in his own athletic department that he would be comfortable with a choice like that as an intelligent risk. Honestly I think it is more likely Briles gets another job before MBob even gets on the stick.
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This post blows my mind. How on earth can anyone consider hazell good at any one aspect of coaching?
Is there any particular reason why you think hazell will get two years? Or are you just throwing a random prediction there?
IMO, barring 7 wins, no chance he stays.
He has proven himself as a good coach on many levels, it just hasn't added up to wins yet, but his efforts will.
He did well at OSU and at Kent State and if given the time here he will as well.
I think he gets two more years because I think the new AD will give him that much time to get it worked out, plus the buy out after the two years is much lower than next year.
Like I said I liked Danny Hope and wish he was still here...I liked his direct player approach and direct blue collar attitude. I liked that he was rough around the edges and pissed off some snooty alumni.....
Hazell is just the opposite of Danny Hope with the polished clean look and says the proper things, but isn't the players coach Danny Hope is/was.......but I feel he has done a good job of polishing up the Purdue image to fit the snooty alumni.......
Now he just needs to win....win 5 or 6 this year...then build on it for next year.
Those are my thoughts and my opinions......I could care less what you think of them.
based on what we see on the field, especially all the times Purdue basically beat themselves in some games or made it a lot worse than what it should have been, I don't see how you can say Hazell is a good coach? 3 years and the worse ever at Purdue? You could say it was because of the OC and DC, but he picked them and stuck with them for 3 long years. I don't want the guy to fail, but look at the last three years.
I think he needed another intermediate program that has higher expectations than those he faced at Kent State. If he couldn't cut it there, obviously he would be a lifer lower division 1 school head coach permanently.
Do you really believe this, or is this just what you would like to see happen? I'm not sure there would be any amount of odds that would incentivize me to put a $100 bet on him being the coach 2 more years.
I believe it.....and do think it will happen.....I never bet...I work too hard for my money.
The floundering Athletic Department and the hemorrhaging of money from their reserves says other wise. Not sure when a lot of fans began having a 'holier than thou' approach to our athletics? Maybe because most of the major athletics haven't done jack-diddly in almost 20 years of any major importance (Women's Bball in 1999 and the Rose Bowl in 2000. Let that sink in for a moment and tell fans why they don't deserve a guy who has build a program and showed he can win at the highest levels.
