Literally no one in the basketball either NCAA/USA Basketball believes Shaka is same level as Painter. Hell Marquette would fire him if Painter showed interest
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How do those compare with IT, EH and Morton?
Is Carr playing next to an NBA lottery pick in the backcourt?
With a 5-10, 175 lb guard. The laws of physics have been rescinded? lol
C'mon man...do some research. The guy can do everything our non-Ivey guards can't. He was a real pain for Purdue to deal with. He was the No1 rated player in the portal. Yeh, I'm sure Painter couldn't have found a way to integrate him.
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| GP | MIN | FG% | 3P% | FT% | REB | AST | BLK | STL | PF | TO | PTS |
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| 9 | 27.4 | 37.8 | 28.6 | 70.6 | 1.7 | 3.4 | 0.0 | 1.2 | 1.9 | 1.8 | 8.4 |
| 29 | 35.8 | 38.5 | 31.7 | 79.9 | 4.0 | 4.9 | 0.1 | 1.3 | 2.3 | 2.3 | 19.4 |
| 31 | 36.8 | 39.3 | 36.1 | 70.0 | 5.3 | 6.7 | 0.1 | 0.9 | 2.8 | 2.6 | 15.4 |
| 32 | 28.6 | 39.6 | 33.3 | 81.8 | 2.8 | 4.0 | 0.1 | 0.6 | 2.2 | 2.8 | 10.0 |
Were you calling Carr or XJohnson an inefficient chucker? Either way, both would have been major upgrades at the guard position to pair with Ivey.
Here's Hunter's stats:
And here's IT
And Carr's again for comparison:
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| GP | MIN | FG% | 3P% | FT% | REB | AST | BLK | STL | PF | TO | PTS |
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| 10 | 21.9 | 37.1 | 27.8 | 60.0 | 1.4 | 1.6 | 0.0 | 0.8 | 0.7 | 1.2 | 3.7 |
| 24 | 30.6 | 37.1 | 27.2 | 80.9 | 2.2 | 2.8 | 0.2 | 1.1 | 2.0 | 1.7 | 8.5 |
| 31 | 31.5 | 41.5 | 35.5 | 76.1 | 3.3 | 2.6 | 0.1 | 1.0 | 2.5 | 2.0 | 10.6 |
| 36 | 12.6 | 30.3 | 21.7 | 71.4 | 1.4 | 1.1 | 0.1 | 0.4 | 1.0 | 0.6 | 2.2 |
And here's IT
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| GP | MIN | FG% | 3P% | FT% | REB | AST | BLK | STL | PF | TO | PTS |
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| 10 | 18.9 | 53.1 | 53.8 | 75.0 | 1.1 | 1.5 | 0.0 | 0.3 | 1.1 | 0.5 | 5.7 |
| 28 | 17.8 | 41.2 | 39.7 | 75.0 | 1.4 | 1.0 | 0.0 | 0.2 | 1.2 | 0.5 | 4.2 |
| 31 | 18.7 | 35.4 | 36.0 | 67.7 | 1.1 | 0.7 | 0.0 | 0.4 | 1.4 | 0.8 | 5.6 |
And Carr's again for comparison:
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| GP | MIN | FG% | 3P% | FT% | REB | AST | BLK | STL | PF | TO | PTS |
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| 9 | 27.4 | 37.8 | 28.6 | 70.6 | 1.7 | 3.4 | 0.0 | 1.2 | 1.9 | 1.8 | 8.4 |
| 29 | 35.8 | 38.5 | 31.7 | 79.9 | 4.0 | 4.9 | 0.1 | 1.3 | 2.3 | 2.3 | 19.4 |
| 31 | 36.8 | 39.3 | 36.1 | 70.0 | 5.3 | 6.7 | 0.1 | 0.9 | 2.8 | 2.6 | 15.4 |
| 32 | 28.6 | 39.6 | 33.3 | 81.8 | 2.8 | 4.0 | 0.1 | 0.6 | 2.2 | 2.8 | 10.0 |
I am "part of the group" who understands that we have who we have and harping and whining about who we don't have is not going to change it.
Only in harpy, whiny Bone World is there a reality that says we can add another Jaden Ivey mid-year to make this team worthy of a Final Four. And there is no other way, in Bone World. But then, if Bone World miraculously became a real place outside of your head, and Painter somehow brought in Jaden Ivey Version 2.0 (Xavier Johnson), you would move the goal posts and resume harping and whining that Painter failed to recruit that NBA-level center who can step out and hit 3's. And to everyone else you would say, "I know you're part of the group who thinks we're just fine at the center position." Does anyone doubt that next on your list would be the deficiencies at the PF position? Then the SF position?
If Painter wins a National Championship this year, nothing would change for you. You would continue harping and whining about all of the missed chances when he should have won them in past years. As others have said, you're only happy when you are harping and whining. It's who you are.
Those FG percentages don't seem that good to me and that is with them being skewed to the better when his numbers are higher against the cupcake-type teams- and I feel like you still aren't factoring in what Carr would have done to our team chemistry.
How a player would impact team chemistry is so subjective it's not even worth discussing. There's no way to tell if he would have been a great teammate or the worst ever. I'm sure we'd all like to believe these guys are best buds, but that's probably not the case.
But, how do Carr's stats compare to IT and Hunter? (didn't include Morton). Statistically, the guy produces and can do everything with the ball in his hands.
your argument illustrates the misunderstanding people (in general) have about putting together a TEAM.
the assumption clearly is that players/athletes are "plug and play". They're not. I don't know this young man, but it also seems like "me" is more important than "team".
If this young man's transfer history doesn't scream out something to you, you're just not getting it, OR, you're trying to make this fit your argument. (It doesn't.)
It's zero benefit to Purdue, Painter, and all of us to recruit "the best player" if he isn't here to play.
If we're being honest, let's admit that some of these guys are hired guns, mercenaries if you will (and if we're being really honest, we don't care if they get their degree as long as they win games. Ivey is going pro this year. He's played 2 years for Purdue. He may or may not ever graduate with a Purdue degree, but he'll help Purdue basketball win a lot of games which is what we all really care about.)
This is what the portal is for: find a guy who can come make an immediate 1, maybe 2 years impact and that player is potentially the one to get you over the hump.
Again, you're assuming a guy from the portal would be a bad teammate.
Was Wheeler a bad teammate or just in the wrong situation? But then again, Wheeler's not a future pro, Carr is.
Compare the minutes, assists, rebounds and points, then tell me who's more productive. C'mon dude. It's not even debatable. No coach in the country wouldn't trade Carr for IT. This is an NBA guy against a guy who should be playing at UIndy, or Evansville.
Higher usage means little to me when efficiency is what we need from the position with this roster
Your first paragraph is irrelevant to the point.
You think Ivey is all about "me"? He isn't. He has 100% bought into Painter, his philosophy, etc.
You're still not getting it. I'm not " assuming a guy from the portal would be a bad teammate", I'm pointing out that you're assuming he would be a good teammate, and one that would thrive in this system. Even someone with his history of abandoning his "teammates".
I never said Ivey was about "me". Show me where I did.
What I said was that Ivey came to Purdue to play bball, he's good enough that he only needed 2 years of college ball before he's a top 5 NBA draft pick.
The point was, guys like Ivey or Biggie or Big Dog, or whoever has that level of talent is only here for a very short time, 2 years as the most. By entering the draft, are they abandoning their teammates?
It's the same for a guy from the portal if they have that talent level. They're here for a year or 2, they make your team better in that short time. Maybe they're the missing piece to a NC team.
Your speculating that Carr is a bad teammate or a locker room problem because he's switched programs is just that, your speculation.
What this team needs is someone beside Ivey who can cause problems for the defense with the ball in his hands.
That's Painter's job. He did his job and passed on the guys who aren't good fits.
There's a difference between passing and a guy saying 'thanks, but not interested'.
Did Painter go after Carr? I don't know.
and that is the statement that is in the eye of the beholder. If Ivey gets a season ending injury this season then you may be proven correct- but I am not assuming that is going to happen and I wouldn't want to create chemistry issues just for that insurance- and I-m not sold that we need another Ivey-esque player along-side Ivey.
you were clearly making the connection between "mercenaries". Ivey fits this program. You have no clue of your imaginary savior does, or not. That's a Painter decision.
The issue isn't how long they're here, it's whether or not they're a fit. Painter has commented on that every.single.season. Especially since he made some bad decisions in that area. Not sure why you're trying so hard to avoid that.
You keep trying to make this about me. That's a loser's argument. You're speculating Carr is a great teammate. There's no indication of that. Quite the opposite!
What's more, I'm not speculating. YOU are. You're putting all your eggs in one basket that some PORTAL transfer will carry Purdue to the FF. You're still not there.
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Why do you remind me of the following meme???!!
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These stats could make the case for IT as easily as Carr. Carr has never shot above 40% for his career. He consumes a lot of possessions for a player that is so inefficient.
Meanwhile, IT does not use many possessions, but he is a great three point shooter. Ivey is a player who needs space to operate. In space, he is extremely hard to guard because of his speed, but he sometimes gets himself in trouble in congestion. IT creates space for Ivey and Purdue’s centers to be at their best. IT is the better fit for Purdue.
You're being way too logical. Bone only deals in emotions so won't digest correctly.
I never said whether Carr would be a great teammate or not. We have no idea.you were clearly making the connection between "mercenaries". Ivey fits this program. You have no clue of your imaginary savior does, or not. That's a Painter decision.
The issue isn't how long they're here, it's whether or not they're a fit. Painter has commented on that every.single.season. Especially since he made some bad decisions in that area. Not sure why you're trying so hard to avoid that.
You keep trying to make this about me. That's a loser's argument. You're speculating Carr is a great teammate. There's no indication of that. Quite the opposite!
What's more, I'm not speculating. YOU are. You're putting all your eggs in one basket that some PORTAL transfer will carry Purdue to the FF. You're still not there.
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Why do you remind me of the following meme???!!
What I said was that Painter should have hit the portal hard to fill a hole we had at guard next to Ivey. There was clearly an opportunity to bring in a better talent than what we had. People asked who that player was and I said Carr would have been a great pick up.
You’re joking right? No coach, not a single one, is taking IT over Carr.
Listen, I know you like IT because he plays for Purdue, but he shouldn’t be playing B10 or P5. Try to be somewhat objective.
You're missing the "FIT" part of it. Purdue doesn't need an inefficient (read high volume) guard. Lots of other teams do.
I’ve always said IT is a decent spot up 3 pt shooter. But this team doesn’t need spot up 3 pt shooters. And if he’s not hitting, he doesn’t contribute anything else.
Yeh, Purdue couldn’t use an NBA caliber guard to pair with Ivey.
That would be a bad idea. That wouldn’t create any problems for the opposing team. Obviously we’d have too much talent on the floor.
I’d rather have IT play D and hit 3s, than have Carr jacking up tons of shots and missing 62% of them.
IT might be the biggest defensive liability in the B10. And his 3 pt shooting has trialed off quite a bit the last 3-4 games.
LOL!
I don't recall that I ever said you DID claim he would be a "great teammate". You tried to claim I said he WOULDN'T be.
You claim Carr "would have been a great pick up", with ZERO evidence on how he would have blended with this team. ZERO. All while he's bounced from team to team. Yeah... that's working out well.
You're still clamoring for this imaginary savior from the portal. So far you're failing. Miserably.
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