No doubt. By no means do I think think this team us unfixable. I mean, shit, it's ranked #1 in the nation for a reason.
No team is perfectly complete, and I'm looking forward to continuing to watch a special Purdue team.
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No team is perfectly complete, and I'm looking forward to continuing to watch a special Purdue team.
yeah, maybe 'athleticism' wasn't the best word...ability to create probably a better descriptor
either way, Painter will get it fixed
Nope. wasn't even that. they have the players.
But, you are correct... Painter will get it fixed.
As has been mentioned before, Painters focus on having a big, low post player may or may not be the recipe for success come tourney time (at least it hasn't proven to be up to this point).
Also, Ivey's minutes are being limited because he's not needed to play more than 28 minutes. But, when he's on the floor, he's an absolute game changer and the reason we built a 19 pt lead vs Iowa.
In regards to having a guy to who can hit a shot. If you've watched enough NCAA tourney games, you'd know that having a guard who can create his own shot is the most important position on the floor.
Bigs can be neutralized, spot up shooters can be covered, but stopping a guy who can go 1 on 1 and get to the rim is really tough.
If this actually worked, every high school and college athlete in the country would be using it.
In general, elite athleticism and fast twitch muscle is something you're born with. Yes, you can develop and improve (marginally) what God gave you, but if vast improvements could be made, everyone would be doing it.
Yes he has. Getting as far as Painter has with that type of lineup directly refutes your opinion statement you are trying to pass off as fact.
The rest of the team also had involvement.
Which we have more than just Ivey that can do that. Newman is a perfect example and Edey is very nimble for his size and creates a ton of problems for other teams.
You keep looking for a problem that doesn't exist based off of one game.
Well, that depends on how you define tourney success.
In 17 years, Painter has 4 S16 and 1 E8. Now, he might get a FF and NC this year and I'll be there if he does, but he hasn't yet.
Newman is not someone who's going to break down the D and get his own shot. He might develop into that, but he's not there with any consistency.
But just for fun, let's say Ivey fouls out, we're down 1 with 10 seconds to play and have to go the length of the court. We can't get the ball down low because the other team has effectively taken away our low post. Who you giving the ball to and saying "go win the game"?
It was a simple question: Who's your go-to in crunch time if Ivey isn't available?
If Haas AND Hummel didn't get injured those very likely would have been final 4 teams.
Tre, Newman, IT, Sasha, Edey even Furst, at least eventually, the list goes on. IT and/or Morton can get the ball down the court and in to the hands of any of those I mentioned.
You're creating an issue that doesn't exist.
Who are we playing? What is their personnel? Who has the hot hand for us? I know you're looking for a hero ball solution but I'm probably running Sasha off screens to get the last shot, or time permitting get the ball to Tre on the block or near wing and let him go to work as he has done many times.
I guess in part we agree. If Painter needs an Ivey type guy on the court he can just play him more minutes. We could get by without him on the court for 5 or 6 minutes with the other talent we have.
caleb furst has some money post moves we've not seen and probably won't until next year. A reverse pivot drop step that is impressively quick for as big as he is. Nice baby hook shot too. Point is we have guys that CAN, they just don't do it as well right now, or it's just not needed.
Way to keep moving the goal posts because your question has been asnwered by several people, several times. Are you simply just not happy unless you're complaining about the basketball team? I mean you are basing an entire program off of one damn game. We're still the top team in the damn country for the first time in school history and all you can do is bitch.
How about you call in to the CMP show and ask him? You keep bringing this all up as some sort of answer to a problem that doesn't exist, so why not ask the man himself?
Personal of who were playing doesn't matter. We're down 1, have to go the length of the floor.
What's hero ball solution?
What I'd do is get the ball to my fastest, most athletic ball handler, have him get past the press (which is almost a guarantee) or 94 feet of ball pressure, and get the ball on the rim hoping for a bucket, foul or drawing the bigs to block the shot and opening space for an offensive put back. Besides, Ivey, I'm not sure who that is.
After this, you need to just stop. It most certainly does matter and you even brought up Rutgers guards and their height today.
Give it up. You're arguing just to argue and have no basis other than you like to bitch.
You repeatedly try to set up scenarios where the Lenny-world answer is the only choice. When someone provides the real-world answer that Matt Painter is most likely to choose, your mind can't accept it.
Matt Painter has done this before. Without Ivey. On one occasion he had a big throw the ball long to another big under the basket. Purdue won. I have seen many teams lose with your hero ball approach. I know in your mind it's a guaranteed victory.
"What I'd do" = your personal preference
There is more than one way to go the length of the floor and hit a game winning shot in <5 seconds.
If Ivey isn't on the floor- you play through Trevion
I know. Just meant that Painter recruits fine. Just had some crappy luck with those awesome teams. Or else he most likely would have had a final four already. And then the terrible luck in the damn Virginia game.
Painters made a lot of strides in recruiting lately, but if you look at his recruiting rankings over the course of his time at Purdue, they leave a lot to be desired. Those rankings usually correlate pretty good with tourney success.
Only 10 seconds on the clock. Getting the ball to Tre would be smart, but the other coach knows that and is going to try and prevent it. They're going to pressure the ball handler all the way up the court, pressure the entry pass and probably front the post with backside help. So, getting the ball to Tre is not sure thing.
Buzzer beaters are somewhat rare to begin with. But Purdue has made their share, including Williams at MSU and Ivey at OSU. Point is there is more than one way to skin the cat, not just hero ball.
bet there is someone like you on the board of 100 different teams saying the same thing about their team. 100 teams can't all recruit at that level.
You seem to be very convinced about what should happen and you, more than anyone, knows exactly the qualities of the player you require. Looks like a great project for you. Find that player that fits all of your criteria and bring them on board for the 2nd semester. A scholarship is available. The best part for you is it may put IT on the bench.
No more harping and carping and whining. It's all within your power. We will be watching. All of Boiler Nation is counting on you. DON'T FAIL US!
I got it. Andrew Nembhard. Just think how much better this team would be if Painter had landed Nembhard. Johnny Juzang would be nice to. If Painter was doing his job he would have a backcourt of Ivey, Nembhard, and Juzang.
Pssst. Nobody gives a shit about your hypothetical. How many teams in the country have a good answer for "what would you do in the last 10 seconds without your best player"? Verrrry few so who cares? We have another all american candidate who can get his own shot or pass out of a double. We have several good to very good shooters, and we have a 7'4 guy that we can lob it up to. That's better options that pretty much every other team. Which is why we are #1 at the moment. And let's face it, if we had Ivey Jr on the team you would just say "well what if Jaden 1 fouls out and Jaden 2 hurts his ankle" or whatever other nonsense hypotheticals you can come up with.
If Ivey isn’t available, we’re not getting to that point anyway.
You are joking right? Until Purdue wins a few national championships they won't be recruiting at that level.
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